FR NOT a good night out (nightclub bouncer attempts to intervene with pickup)

[average_daygamer]

Well, I went to my nightgame town tonight. I was glad to be let into the club after the incident last weekend.

I was on the 1st floor dancefloor where last week's incident occured, but due to the incident last time I was somewhat hesitant to approach and so didn't really do much for the first hour.

I didn't do anything until I saw two stunning blondes come in around midnight.

I ignored them at first but they were too gorgeous not to try something on.

So I went with my phone out and asked both for their phone numbers to get the ball rolling.

They both refused, the interaction lasted less than 10 seconds. I was glad that I had broken the ice with the hottest girls in the club, though.

However, the huge bouncer saw this and intervened. He told me off saying "they are not interested mate"

When I questioned why he was interfering and that I said I was only asking if they wanted to swap numbers he quipped

"You are old enough to be their dad".

And these girls were far from the youngest looking girls in there. From a distance you couldn't really tell their ages they were quite tall.

I was annoyed by this and confronted the bouncer afterwards and he tried to deny that he did anything wrong. Nightgame is the only place where one can see and approach these young hotties on a consistent basis. I see more hot girls on a night in the club than I do all week in daygame.

Generally, nightgame is full of hot 18-25 year old girls that you don't see out much during the day time and even when you do it is hard to judge their ages and run back in time to do the approach.

So if you want to approach that age range nightgame is the only reliable option.

It's left a sour taste in my mouth and made me wonder if there is any future in nightgame. Considering the horrible environment one has to brave in order to even be in with a shot.

I'm at my wit's end here folks, tried daygame, doesn't work, tried nightgame to get my volume up and hone my skillset and these assholes interfere.

There is no point in apps due to the age filter so you won't see the real hotties.

Honestly, I was spoiling for a confrontation and it completely put me off the rest of the night. I am worried incase I go there next weekend and retaliate against this guy if he tries this again.

The thing is, you get pasted a certain age and then you aren't allowed to be a man anymore.

So nightgame is just some weird torture where you go and see gyrating hot girls but can't get any of them or aren't even allowed to shoot your fucking shot.

This makes me want to shoot other kinds of shots at people interfering, I tell you...

 

[Atlas IV]

This makes me want to shoot other kinds of shots at people interfering, I tell you...

You're in a downward spiral that leads somewhere dark.

You need think about things from other people's perspectives.

Why did the girls reject you? Probably because something you did creeped them out, maybe it was your vibe or maybe you came on too strong.

So that's what you need to reflect on and fix.

Why did the bouncer intervene? Probably because he saw they looked uncomfortable and thought you were creeping them out.

Would he have intervened if you had gone in casually, smoothly and had them laughing? Probably not.

You won't get anywhere blaming others for your shortcomings. Look inward.

 

[average_daygamer]

You're in a downward spiral that leads somewhere dark.

You need think about things from other people's perspectives.

Why did the girls reject you? Probably because something you did creeped them out, maybe it was your vibe or maybe you came on too strong.

So that's what you need to reflect on and fix.

Why did the bouncer intervene? Probably because he saw they looked uncomfortable and thought you were creeping them out.

Would he have intervened if you had gone in casually, smoothly and had them laughing? Probably not.

You won't get anywhere blaming others for your shortcomings. Look inward.

Thanks for the input but the impression I always got of the club was that it was somewhere you are supposed to go in boldly and test stuff out.

Some might say my approach was awkward and "wanting something" from the girls by asking if they wanted to exchange numbers.

I just went up to them pretty boldly and blatantly but that should be doable in the club. It wasn't even a blowout.

I agree if it was more smooth and the girls appeared to be accepting of my approach, the bouncer would not have intervened, but, it wasn't a blowout. Not that I could notice anyway.

But on the other hand, at some point, you have to get things moving and doing something quite bold and potentially awkward breaks the ice.

It wasn't a long interaction at all, just long enough to gesture with my phone out towards them and ask both of them if they wanted the exchange. Maybe 20 seconds.

I'm thinking maybe last week's incident (where I tapped a girl on the shoulder and her friend over reacted and caused a big commotion) made the bouncer come up with that.

Later on, a young guy gave me some advice and said "bro, straight up asking for numbers doesn't work unless you are a 20/10". You've got to dance with them first then ask for their snap"

Which is fair enough but I have no chance to initiate this and dancing is too inefficient for me. Other than a basic head bob and foot tap/shuffle, just not to be totally static.

If I go back to my shoulder tap approach, I can get 15 such approaches done within 90 minutes where I will get an idea if the girl is interested or not. But the blowout rate and likelihood of the bouncer intervening will be higher.

So in terms of approaching on the dancefloor, tapping a girl on the shoulder is out, putting my arm around their shoulders probably doubly so, going over to them with my phone out with the number keypad on and asking for their number has also brought the bouncer over to check on the girls so is also out.

So what kind of approach is left? It's not like I can say "excuse me" and gauge their reaction. So many of what one would rely on in daygame to test the waters doesn't work because they can't hear you.

I know in my field report from last time Chase linked quite a few articles about pre openers and signs etc.

But this is not what I wanted. The club is packed with hot girls but no real effective way to approach them. Nightgame remains a dark art.

 

[Will_V]

@average_daygamer sucks to have a night like that, but I think there's some lessons here.

Well, I went to my nightgame town tonight. I was glad to be let into the club after the incident last weekend.

You're aware here that the previous incident might've caused you problems, and you're glad they let you in. But it's more than likely that the security are also going to be keeping an eye on you to make sure you're not causing trouble.

I'm no club expert, and I'm sure you'll get better perspectives from guys more experienced in night game. But the simple truth is that a club is interested in building a social event out of what they consider to be socially valuable people. These include:

- Attractive looking girls
- Attractive looking guys
- People with great social skills who interact with lots of people, introduce people to eachother, and make people feel included
- High energy, cheerful people who add to the energy and atmosphere

A club essentially is always trying to construct a 'high value' social event from these elements, and by removing elements that do not fit into that concept. If you want to fit into a club and have them want you around, try to hit those points in as many ways as you can.

For clubs, the least valuable element is a single dude coming in by himself, usually not dressed very well, focused on shooting his shots and taking home a girl there. Many of these dudes, who you usually find standing against the wall by the dancefloor nursing a beer and looking hungrily around (not knocking them, I've been there!) are neither interested not able to add anything really of value to the social event that is the club.

They make girls put their defenses up, they put other dudes with girls or girlfriends on guard, and you'll often see security patrolling around just looking for a reason to tell these dudes that that's enough and it's time to go home.

I was on the 1st floor dancefloor where last week's incident occured, but due to the incident last time I was somewhat hesitant to approach and so didn't really do much for the first hour.

Standing around for an hour doing nothing, without interacting with anyone, is already putting a big sign on your head saying "I don't fit in here". When you get to a club, the first thing is to start interacting with as many people as you can - girls, dudes, bartenders. Smile and be cheerful and ask people how their night is going. This lets the security and the bartenders know that you are going to add to the social milieu and become part of it and fit into it.

I didn't do anything until I saw two stunning blondes come in around midnight.

I ignored them at first but they were too gorgeous not to try something on.

So I went with my phone out and asked both for their phone numbers to get the ball rolling.

This is a big faux pas, to go up to girls with your phone out and just ask immediately for the number. If security saw that they would definitely not like it. Because it looks to them like you're panhandling the place.

Instead, smile at girls, wave to them, look for invitations, and focus on meeting them, vibing, and making them feel good to be with you before even thinking about getting the number.

And if these two were super gorgeous and stunning, everyone (including security) is going to be watching them like a hawk, not just because they're hot, but because these girls are waaay more valuable to that club than you are. The more of these girls come in and enjoy themselves and become regulars, the more people will tell their friends "this is the club to be at! The girls there are amazing!" and they'll all come in and spend money and the club makes money.

And so the club is not going to want to let dudes wander up and shoot shots all night and make their golden geese feel uncomfortable.

At this point, to be frank, the bouncer you dealt with is probably just thinking "this is a low value guy who might scare the hot girls away, let's just find any reason to squeeze him out". It sounds nasty but remember, it's their place, it's their house, they want to create the environment there that they choose. And if you want to be invited and valued there, find a way to be a valuable part of that environment, according to what the club wants, not what you want.

 

[average_daygamer]

Hey thanks for the quick reply and write up.

When I said I didn't so anything for the first hour or so, I meant in terms of girls.

I actually interacted with three different groups of guys consisting of one at the punch bag machine, a group of 4 sitting outside at the tables and another guy who was with his friends who recognised me from one of my hobbies. Actually the guy from one of my hobbies was nearby when the two stunning blondes were nearby but I don't think they noticed.

But these were before there were any hot girls in the club to demonstrate social value. When the dancefloor started getting girls on it, I didn't want to go in too soon and start approaching.

So I just skulked around, trying to look busy.

My plan was to go out 4 Saturdays in a row, but I am really starting to doubt that now.

I just don't have a reason to be in the club other than for those hot girls that I know are over 18.

It feels very contradictory.

 

[Skills]

Well, I went to my nightgame town tonight. I was glad to be let into the club after the incident last weekend.

I was on the 1st floor dancefloor where last week's incident occured, but due to the incident last time I was somewhat hesitant to approach and so didn't really do much for the first hour.

I didn't do anything until I saw two stunning blondes come in around midnight.

I ignored them at first but they were too gorgeous not to try something on.

So I went with my phone out and asked both for their phone numbers to get the ball rolling.

They both refused, the interaction lasted less than 10 seconds. I was glad that I had broken the ice with the hottest girls in the club, though.

However, the huge bouncer saw this and intervened. He told me off saying "they are not interested mate"

When I questioned why he was interfering and that I said I was only asking if they wanted to swap numbers he quipped

"You are old enough to be their dad".

And these girls were far from the youngest looking girls in there. From a distance you couldn't really tell their ages they were quite tall.

I was annoyed by this and confronted the bouncer afterwards and he tried to deny that he did anything wrong. Nightgame is the only place where one can see and approach these young hotties on a consistent basis. I see more hot girls on a night in the club than I do all week in daygame.

Generally, nightgame is full of hot 18-25 year old girls that you don't see out much during the day time and even when you do it is hard to judge their ages and run back in time to do the approach.

So if you want to approach that age range nightgame is the only reliable option.

It's left a sour taste in my mouth and made me wonder if there is any future in nightgame. Considering the horrible environment one has to brave in order to even be in with a shot.

I'm at my wit's end here folks, tried daygame, doesn't work, tried nightgame to get my volume up and hone my skillset and these assholes interfere.

There is no point in apps due to the age filter so you won't see the real hotties.

Honestly, I was spoiling for a confrontation and it completely put me off the rest of the night. I am worried incase I go there next weekend and retaliate against this guy if he tries this again.

The thing is, you get pasted a certain age and then you aren't allowed to be a man anymore.

So nightgame is just some weird torture where you go and see gyrating hot girls but can't get any of them or aren't even allowed to shoot your fucking shot.

This makes me want to shoot other kinds of shots at people interfering, I tell you...

^ this is very unusual, let me put it to you this way, you are likely to get struck by lightning, or winning a lotto from this to happen....

the bouncer saying "too old" same as above.....

how often have you been doing night game????

^ something happened that it made the perception of the incident very uncalibrated or uncomfortable to the people watching... For example going to girls with the phone out, is not how you interact in night game.... the phone number you get it somewhere open>hook point> compliance> and other stages you get the phone number or social media if the pull is not there after strong interaction..... you don't open>phone number that is not how it works in night game...

I personally brush it off, again this veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy unlikely to happen...

unless is a girl the bouncer, or dj or some staff seeing, and even then.... unusual...

Tonight a bouncer told me, "dude you don't have to wait in line to go to the second floor just come right to us and will let you up"..... I also approaching really young girls and interacting 30 plus years younger than me... never had an issue..

 

[average_daygamer]

Well, Skills,I believe you are in Latin America? That is a lot more relaxed on age gaps etc. There is a reason why a lot of dating coaches end up there.

I don't believe it's that unusual, atleast in the western world. Like Will_V said, a single guy, on his own, has no value in that environment. So not 100% due to age, but that was what he used to justify his interference. It's a "low hanging fruit" of a moral objection.

I also don't care about dancing so there is no point in that. I have no idea how to interact on the dance floor at all.

I thought I was making progress with tapping girls on the shoulder/putting my arm around them but that was what got me kicked from the club last time. So now I am kinda pissed and other than putting my hands besides my mouth and shouting "hi, you look hot" I don't know what else I can do. The dancefloor is where it is all happening, you get a few stragglers in the smoking area and a whole load of 2nd hand smoke.

So that was why I resorted to going with my phone out, if gets the idea across to them. It's not like I even touched them.

I would like to buy your book actually, but I can't imagine I would have the skills to implement the techniques contained within it. Especially if it is Latin dancing influenced.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I’ve never had a bouncer tell me I’m too old to be talking to young girls. I have though in the last 2 years had 4 girls tell me I should talk to someone my own age when I started escalating on them which is mostly always (utilising 60yoc method).

you can’t let one incident wreck you. It’s a war out there so you gotta accept the hits and keep moving. A few months ago I got kicked by security for “drinking too much” even though I barely drink. It frustrated me but I just said fuck it and started staging outside the front instead.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Because it looks to them like you're panhandling the place.

lol!

 

[gameboy]

How old are you, and how big is that age gap?

I used to have decent success at more or less natural night game when younger (20s/30s). I agree with the others here that it's not a good idea to approach a girl asking for her phone number immediately.

Rather, my usual process was to check for girls that make eye contact, then walk over and open those. My opener was pretty simple (something like "Hey, what's your name?" usually did it.) Then chat a bit, start touching her casually and if she's comfortable with that, go for the makeout at some point. Then either go home to yours/hers if she seems DTF, or get the number otherwise.

This was in a Northern European country where I used to live before moving south, so if you're in England/Britain I think it might be similar where you are.

In southern Europe things are a bit different since girls don't seem to make eye contact as easily. I believe it is because men here are much more assertive, so girls get approached a lot anyway.

If no girls will make eye contact, I haven't found a good solution for that yet. But I do enjoy music and dancing in itself, so when I go out at night it isn't just to approach but because I like hanging out and socializing in the bars or clubs anyway.

One thing that sometimes works is to stand at the bar, beer in hand, and when a thirsty girl arrives desperate to get the barkeeper's attention, offer her a sip from your bottle. They are usually grateful, and it leads to a little chit chat at least. Never got a hookup with that opener yet, but recently one girl actually bought me a whole beer in exchange for that (admittedly rather long) sip. Also she was quite cool to talk to.

The "offer your beer / drink" opener was actually a recommendation from an ex-FB of mine. So I thought I'd share it here FWIW.

 

[average_daygamer]

I’ve never had a bouncer tell me I’m too old to be talking to young girls. I have though in the last 2 years had 4 girls tell me I should talk to someone my own age when I started escalating on them which is mostly always (utilising 60yoc method).

you can’t let one incident wreck you. It’s a war out there so you gotta accept the hits and keep moving. A few months ago I got kicked by security for “drinking too much” even though I barely drink. It frustrated me but I just said fuck it and started staging outside the front instead.

"It's a war out there" yeah, I really had no idea how fucking crazy it was before I got into pickup.

It seems anything can and will be used against you.

It's interesting that you got kicked out for drinking too much alcohol. I often wonder if I did drink more alcohol, they would tolerate me more.

I don't drink alcohol and I don't dance, so the only reason I go is for the social (mainly female) aspect.

It's a weird one, I wanted to challenge him but at the same time I didn't want to make a big deal. I ended up meekly going up and saying "there was no need for that, was there".

I was irritated but not really able to have a comeback. I approached, they didn't want it, it's a wrap. Then he told me off afterwards based on my age.

 

[JT Sunshine]

I think @Will_V hit it on the head… are you there to give or take value? What is your vibe/energy like? Positive energy is infectious, but so is negativity.

I’ll give two examples from the field. There is a guy I see out a lot by himself, has to be at least 65, always dancing and vibing and seems to be having a lot of fun. I’ve seen this guy talking and dancing with plenty of girls, they are smiling, the dude has infectious energy. He draws attention to himself, but in a positive way. No one there cares that he’s old.

Second example is another guy I see out by himself every weekend - probably 35, stands alone and brooding, drinking a beer and leers at all the girls. Is not giving any value, only taking. He also draws a lot of attention to himself, but in a negative way. No girls there are going to talk to him, doesn’t matter that he’s 30 years younger.

Try to be more like guy #1. You don’t have to be a dancing monkey, but at least try to have fun. Give some good energy and positivity. Take baby steps, get used to the environment, enjoy the music, get used to saying hi to girls, then see if you can talk to them for a minute, then five minutes, then try for the phone number if they seem to be enjoying your company.

Also, is this the only venue around or are there others? If you’re having a bad time there repeatedly, maybe try a different one. You can always go back.

 

[average_daygamer]

How old are you, and how big is that age gap?

I used to have decent success at more or less natural night game when younger (20s/30s). I agree with the others here that it's not a good idea to approach a girl asking for her phone number immediately.

Rather, my usual process was to check for girls that make eye contact, then walk over and open those. My opener was pretty simple (something like "Hey, what's your name?" usually did it.) Then chat a bit, start touching her casually and if she's comfortable with that, go for the makeout at some point. Then either go home to yours/hers if she seems DTF, or get the number otherwise.

This was in a Northern European country where I used to live before moving south, so if you're in England/Britain I think it might be similar where you are.

In southern Europe things are a bit different since girls don't seem to make eye contact as easily. I believe it is because men here are much more assertive, so girls get approached a lot anyway.

If no girls will make eye contact, I haven't found a good solution for that yet. But I do enjoy music and dancing in itself, so when I go out at night it isn't just to approach but because I like hanging out and socializing in the bars or clubs anyway.

One thing that sometimes works is to stand at the bar, beer in hand, and when a thirsty girl arrives desperate to get the barkeeper's attention, offer her a sip from your bottle. They are usually grateful, and it leads to a little chit chat at least. Never got a hookup with that opener yet, but recently one girl actually bought me a whole beer in exchange for that (admittedly rather long) sip. Also she was quite cool to talk to.

The "offer your beer / drink" opener was actually a recommendation from an ex-FB of mine. So I thought I'd share it here FWIW.

I am 35, admittedly. So almost twice the age of the youngest 18 year old hotties in the club.

Which reminds me, in the same town, last year, I actually got the phone number of an 18 year old hottie which I couldn't believe at the time. That was in weatherspoons, a cheap "bar" type place that a lot of young people go to in order to get drunk before hitting the club.

Then, later that night, I was still in town looking for more sets and I see these two girls heading to the club and I realised we were going to pass so I said something like "have fun, girls", just to avoid being awkward by not saying anything.

They went into the club so I thought maybe things were happening in there? Anyway, she must have got lost in the club because she didn't answer back the next day when I messaged her.

But, as it turns out, there is no "gold mine" of hot 18 year olds willing to give out their phone numbers in that club after all, it was just a fluke.

I would like to get with a pretty younger girl at least once because I didn't get any play in my 20s at all. And such girls are hard to come across in daygame.

But it seems like a futile goal based on my experiences so far. There is too much friction.

Not just from the girls themselves but if they have aggressive male friends, overzealous security like in this example, etc.

Regarding your strategy, my strategy for the club which I was trying to enact was to "number farm". Do as many number closes as possible and collect numbers then mass text them the next day.

Obviously, yesterday I got stopped at the 1st one, due to the common consensus on here that it is not a good strategy.

I see your approach of asking the name of the girl, when you ask the girl's name, is that on the dancefloor and if so, how does she hear you?

Normally they can't hear me for toffee. Or atleast pretend not to. That's the problem in the environment, the ambiguity of communication.

I gotta say, some north European countries are very civilised compared to England/Britain and what works there might not work except in high end venues here.

I also don't drink alcohol and find cups an encumberment so if I do, for instance, order a water, I normally drink it as fast as possible and put it down. But a lot of these strategies you mention are passively waiting for the girl, rather than direct action on the girl you find attractive and getting through to her.

I think maybe I am too much in the daygame mindset of aggressively going after the target girl. Put I like efficiency and I want to find a way to maximise efficiency in nightgame.

Still haven't found a viable mass approaching strategy.

 

[average_daygamer]

I think @Will_V hit it on the head… are you there to give or take value? What is your vibe/energy like? Positive energy is infectious, but so is negativity.

I’ll give two examples from the field. There is a guy I see out a lot by himself, has to be at least 65, always dancing and vibing and seems to be having a lot of fun. I’ve seen this guy talking and dancing with plenty of girls, they are smiling, the dude has infectious energy. He draws attention to himself, but in a positive way. No one there cares that he’s old.

Second example is another guy I see out by himself every weekend - probably 35, stands alone and brooding, drinking a beer and leers at all the girls. Is not giving any value, only taking. He also draws a lot of attention to himself, but in a negative way. No girls there are going to talk to him, doesn’t matter that he’s 30 years younger.

Try to be more like guy #1. You don’t have to be a dancing monkey, but at least try to have fun. Give some good energy and positivity. Take baby steps, get used to the environment, enjoy the music, get used to saying hi to girls, then see if you can talk to them for a minute, then five minutes, then try for the phone number if they seem to be enjoying your company.

Also, is this the only venue around or are there others? If you’re having a bad time there repeatedly, maybe try a different one. You can always go back.

If you look at the bigger picture, I am there to take value.

Daygame doesn't deliver the volume or the physical attractiveness of girls that nightgame does. So I am being around hot girls by going there, but just being an invisible wall flower isn't enough.

If you want things to change, you've got to take action. That girl is hot, I will approach her, but how? I don't really dance or give a fuck about dancing, just approaching. There have been various approach methods which have resulted in blowouts and security.

Also, your 65 year old guy example. I have seen this as well. That is fine, the guy is there to enjoy dancing and the nightclub experience. I remember observing such a guy once. That's great but I am there for pickup.

But I do not enjoy the nightclub experience without approaching as that is my main reason for being there. And I know everyone is 18+, I don't want an asshole bouncer stepping in for talking to someone who is an adult.

As for the venue, It is the only venue I can stay for nearly 2 hours and catch the last train back home for 1am to be in bed for 1:30.

There are other venues but I have to Airbnb them. I don't get enough results form nightgame to justify it yet.

To answer the energy question, I am tense. If I ignore girls and don't approach, I am fine. But if I want to achieve anything, I have to approach and therefore, I am tense.

 

[Skills]

Well, Skills,I believe you are in Latin America? That is a lot more relaxed on age gaps etc. There is a reason why a lot of dating coaches end up there.

No! i am in Florida, going to gen z mostly white dominated type clubs with crowds from 16 (fake ids) to 28 mainly...

 

[alexlaguma]

I am 35, admittedly

Nowhere near old enough to be getting comments like that.

Like Skills said, put it down to a freak incident, very unlikely to happen again or regularly.

But yeh unless you've got Brad Pitt looks just walking up and asking for girls phone numbers in a club is unlikely to work.

 

[average_daygamer]

No! i am in Florida, going to gen z mostly white dominated type clubs with crowds from 16 (fake ids) to 28 mainly...

Hmm ok. Still "the west" but I do find the age gap hysteria to be stronger in the UK than the USA.

Also I do think Americans have a more "mind your business" culture than the UK.

These two blondes were dancing in white dresses, it was clear the whole club noticed them.

By the way, when stunners come in, what is the best time to approach them? Or should you ignore them and focus on the more plain looking girls?

In pickup, we are told to go right away, but it would seem kind of desperate to pounce on them immediately.

I also have this problem when the club is almost empty at the beginning. I find it difficult to talk to the girls for fear of being seen as a desperate creep.

Maybe I need to make a thread, actually, on early nightgame etiquette.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Regarding your strategy, my strategy for the club which I was trying to enact was to "number farm". Do as many number closes as possible and collect numbers then mass text them the next day.

numbers from nightgame are notoriously flakey. Don’t you want to have fun with girls while you are there? That’s my objective.

 

[bkw]

Unless the bouncer is a white knight--unlikely, considering he's a bouncer in a nightclub--then he probably only interfered because something about your calibration was off. Like, if I'm insecure, feeling weak, etc., and I do an approach, these are the times I get weird/negative responses like that, or when other people want to intervene and AMOG or something.

Regardless, I'd say, shake it off. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with approaching HOT GIRLS of 18-25 age range, even if half your age! Also, it's freakn' NIGHT CLUB dude... of course guys are approaching women. I think something about your calibration was off for him to feel the need to do that, but that's just my two cents

 

[average_daygamer]

Nowhere near old enough to be getting comments like that.

Like Skills said, put it down to a freak incident, very unlikely to happen again or regularly.

But yeh unless you've got Brad Pitt looks just walking up and asking for girls phone numbers in a club is unlikely to work.

Ok, cool.

Let's say it is a freak incident where the bouncer was in a mood because he was enjoying watching the pretty blondes in white dresses dancing when I interrupted them.

I know he is a regular bouncer there, I remember seeing him on that floor last year when I went there.

What if he intervenes again? What is my position? Should I let it cool for a few months? I used to think, what happens in the club, stays in the club. But I'm pretty sure he had it in for me from the previous weekend.

As for the walking up and asking for numbers tactic, occasionally it does work but it's all of the "no's" which cause the bouncers to take notice like he did this time.

I really don't have any other goal in the club than to collect numbers for texting the next day to increase my lead volume.

Time for me to start a thread on "what is a basic dancefloor club approach".

I read a Chase article which basically concluded that there wasn't one. He did recommend doing some awkward sideways nudge in one of my other threads, but I can't see how I would manoeuvre myself into that position to be side to side with the girl in the first place.