On Andrew Tate: Can provider game be simping?

[PaulieFlyn10]

Hey guys, a slightly long post. As we develop ourselves as men our quality and quantity in romantic relationships improve. But so those our finances. And this seems to create a provider game dilemma.

SOME CONTEXT:

In the Seduction/pick up community especially here at girlschase, being the lover is the go to strategy

And for a while I considered a huge part of provider game as simping. Especially with what the Tate brothers (Andrew & Tristan) do. Basically, they spend bottles of champagne on girls, take them on private jets etc. At one point, Tristan mentioned proposing to a girl he just met which ended in him buying her a $3000 ring.

According to them, acts like these aren't simping. Because they describe simping as "uneven/unfair exchange of value" So in essence, it's simping when you spend all that money and get nothing in return. My first thought when i saw this was it's bs.

However, after reading @Chase article "provider vs lover: does the lover always win?" I went from "Yeah that's simping" to "I'm not sure" Because provider game clearly works


So i have a few questions:

1) Your lifestyle improves and you start going to fancy restaurants cuz you prefer them. Does taking a girl to high end restaurant set the wrong frame even though you're not doing it to impress her? I've even heard Drexel scott say taking a girl to a date in the first place creates a boyfriend frame

2) Does bringing her to your slightly expensive lifestyle make her see you as a trick or simp? Or will only certain girls see you that way

3) Sometimes you wear nice clothes and perfumes. And some girls can't help but make comments like "bet that shoe costs a lot" and when you try to be humble, they even believe more that you probably have money. Thinking "Wow he's so humble, he must be very rich" does this dynamic early on affect things and how do you handle it?

4) is there a balance to have with being a provider:lover?

 

[Chase]

@PaulieFlyn10,

Anything you do for/with women can be simping or not simping, depending on the motivation behind it.

e.g., if a guy who barely makes any money at all invites a woman to VIP at the nightclub and gives her a bottle of champagne... but he ALWAYS does that, every weekend, spending all his paycheck on VIP, whether there's a woman with him or not, and he's always having a blast doing it, because he just loves being in VIP buying bottles, partying it up, having a great time with his buddies... then it's not simping.

The reason it's not simping is because the girl is irrelevant to him buying the bottle / VIP table. If she was there or she wasn't there he would buy the bottle and the VIP table. She can be there or not; join the fun or not; it's irrelevant to him and won't change his behavior.

This same thing applies to anything a guy might do with money:

• Go to fancy restaurants
• Take his yacht out
• By gifts

Etc.

If he just buys gifts for everyone all the time... if he buys cool scarves and boots for his guy friends, gloves for his female friends, watches for his bosses, nice pens for his employees, etc., then he can buy stuff within that range for girls he takes out too, because this is just a normal behavior of his and he does it for everyone and it's irrelevant whether it's a girl.

Women will generally be able to tell if your behavior is an "I just do this with everyone / I do this for my own enjoyment" type behavior or a "Please like me, find me attractive, and go out with me or don't leave me" behavior. The former is either neutral or attractive; the latter is unattractive.

I'm not familiar with Andrew Tate (aside from knowing he came out of nowhere to get very popular this year, was I guess a jerk to a lot of people, rocking the shock jock angle, then got banned from everywhere, as happens during times of censorship to shock jocks). But I have known of guys who would buy stuff for women and have it work... but these were guys who would buy stuff for everyone. You'd go out with them and they'd pay for your meal or for you to join them in VIP. They'd treat you to a trip to a high-end spa with them. Etc. It was just part of what they did, being generous with their money with everyone.

When it's used properly it can be one element that adds to a man's charm. The appeal is less "he's rich" than it is "he's generous"; a rich guy who is stingy is not attractive. Likewise, a poor guy who is generous (in some way that doesn't hurt him / make him broke) is also attractive -- he might be generous with his time, his compliments, his attentions, with little gifts that don't cost an arm and a leg but do feel very personal/thoughtful, etc.

Financial generosity is one form of generosity, and like all forms of generosity, it is attractive, SO LONG AS it is done without neediness or expectation attached, and so long as it is just a default part of the man's personality, and not a trick he uses only on women because he wants to get them into bed.

Chase

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

@PaulieFlyn10,

Anything you do for/with women can be simping or not simping, depending on the motivation behind it.

e.g., if a guy who barely makes any money at all invites a woman to VIP at the nightclub and gives her a bottle of champagne... but he ALWAYS does that, every weekend, spending all his paycheck on VIP, whether there's a woman with him or not, and he's always having a blast doing it, because he just loves being in VIP buying bottles, partying it up, having a great time with his buddies... then it's not simping.

The reason it's not simping is because the girl is irrelevant to him buying the bottle / VIP table. If she was there or she wasn't there he would buy the bottle and the VIP table. She can be there or not; join the fun or not; it's irrelevant to him and won't change his behavior.

This same thing applies to anything a guy might do with money:

• Go to fancy restaurants
• Take his yacht out
• By gifts

Etc.

If he just buys gifts for everyone all the time... if he buys cool scarves and boots for his guy friends, gloves for his female friends, watches for his bosses, nice pens for his employees, etc., then he can buy stuff within that range for girls he takes out too, because this is just a normal behavior of his and he does it for everyone and it's irrelevant whether it's a girl.

Women will generally be able to tell if your behavior is an "I just do this with everyone / I do this for my own enjoyment" type behavior or a "Please like me, find me attractive, and go out with me or don't leave me" behavior. The former is either neutral or attractive; the latter is unattractive.

I'm not familiar with Andrew Tate (aside from knowing he came out of nowhere to get very popular this year, was I guess a jerk to a lot of people, rocking the shock jock angle, then got banned from everywhere, as happens during times of censorship to shock jocks). But I have known of guys who would buy stuff for women and have it work... but these were guys who would buy stuff for everyone. You'd go out with them and they'd pay for your meal or for you to join them in VIP. They'd treat you to a trip to a high-end spa with them. Etc. It was just part of what they did, being generous with their money with everyone.

When it's used properly it can be one element that adds to a man's charm. The appeal is less "he's rich" than it is "he's generous"; a rich guy who is stingy is not attractive. Likewise, a poor guy who is generous (in some way that doesn't hurt him / make him broke) is also attractive -- he might be generous with his time, his compliments, his attentions, with little gifts that don't cost an arm and a leg but do feel very personal/thoughtful, etc.

Financial generosity is one form of generosity, and like all forms of generosity, it is attractive, SO LONG AS it is done without neediness or expectation attached, and so long as it is just a default part of the man's personality, and not a trick he uses only on women because he wants to get them into bed.

Chase

Thanks a lot. I really enjoy your perspective on things like this. Always an eye opener and extremely helpful

 

[Swati]

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