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Orgasmatron

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Hey guys,

you can probably expect a deluge of stupid questions and ridiculous ideas from me in the coming weeks as try lose my virginity again, I think it's grown back :)

opinions please.

I know you guys are all about the cold approach, but I still can't muster up the balls to talk to women in real life, so this is mainly about online

I get matches from plenty of women I'm not exactly thrilled about. They're not ugly, I throw those fishes back in the sea, but they're not quite the svelte, Scandinavian dream girls I lie awake thinking about at night.

do you think I should just get them out and bang a few to get my skills up, or is that a slippery slope you don't want to go down?

cheers
 

ulrich

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Yes, do it.

I don’t see a problem lowering your standards and getting with not so great girls in order to get back on the horse.

Just don’t put all your eggs on one basket, online is not where the best girls hang out (appearance and attitude).
 

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You will improve your skills faster the more women you try to seduce. If you are want to approach only 10s, then there won't be much fodder for growth.

Don't you think it's better to shag an average girl than do nothing?
Also you will get the momentum buildup from having lot of sex.
 

Will_V

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Hey guys,

you can probably expect a deluge of stupid questions and ridiculous ideas from me in the coming weeks as try lose my virginity again, I think it's grown back :)

opinions please.

I know you guys are all about the cold approach, but I still can't muster up the balls to talk to women in real life, so this is mainly about online

I get matches from plenty of women I'm not exactly thrilled about. They're not ugly, I throw those fishes back in the sea, but they're not quite the svelte, Scandinavian dream girls I lie awake thinking about at night.

do you think I should just get them out and bang a few to get my skills up, or is that a slippery slope you don't want to go down?

cheers

So you want us to encourage you to bang non-ugly girls against your will so you can lose your virginity again?

I'm not really sure what I'm doing here on the internet ..
 

mist

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Thanks guys,

fwiw, some of them are actually quite cute.

I think I was just having a bit of an existential crisis this afternoon from my daygame frustrations.

I'll probably have another stupid question tomorrow

Cheers
Newbie assignment. Restart your newbie assignment. Save questions for after you hit roadblocks

Too much info is already fucking you up. Why get more before you're ready?

I have the same issue.

Start taking the steps one at a time. Problems can only be solved as they come most of the time and a majority of the time used on future or past problems is better used to the problem right in front of you. You seldom actually will solve a problem in the future or past.

And yes, Lowering your standards is worth it in certain cases (no one is surprised I wrote that haha).

The problem in front of you is 10x more valuable as a use for your time and progression than anything though.

Whatever that is.

Imo for you…it’s the newbie assignment.
 

Orgasmatron

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Newbie assignment. Restart your newbie assignment. Save questions for after you hit roadblocks

Too much info is already fucking you up. Why get more before you're ready?

I have the same issue.

Start taking the steps one at a time. Problems can only be solved as they come most of the time and a majority of the time used on future or past problems is better used to the problem right in front of you. You seldom actually will solve a problem in the future or past.

And yes, Lowering your standards is worth it in certain cases (no one is surprised I wrote that haha).

The problem in front of you is 10x more valuable as a use for your time and progression than anything though.

Whatever that is.

Imo for you…it’s the newbie assignment.

I know dude, thanks, you're right. I feel like I've got on pretty well with the online stuff in just 2 weeks, from practising it and trying stuff out and seeing what works, getting better. So, the same should be true of daygame, just need to get practice. I just can't seem to say hello though, it's fucking laugable. I mean if you can't even go over and open then how do you get better. It's very frustrating. The online stuff certainly taught me that you just have to jump in at the deep end and then learn to swim, so that's what I need to do.
 

mist

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Oh I’ll add since you are Online be careful swiping right, messaging, approving everyone. I hear it’ll lower the quality of your prospect even more…not sure though.

I don’t use it, but I’m hearing that’ll make the algorithm fuck you.

….I’m wary of telling you to grab more info since that is your problem rn, but perhaps look into online LR, look up online game.

Lofty, Beck Bass, DoWhatWorks, and topcat are the guys I can think of who were doing some cool shiz with online. Any other guys please make yourself known if you are doing online game effectively. (Maybe worth a thread to see who’s?

But yeah my answer was in regards to cold approach…disregard me for online pal.

Please for the love of god donmt put all your eggs in online yet. Getting your AA mostly under control and reframing your emotions, learning seduction/influence will make all of your game better. You don’t suddenly suck at texting/online if you learn in person game. At best you’ll be mediocre.

But being a great texter/online doesn’t overall mean you can cold approach, seduce, get the girls and life you want.

Might end up using online and texting as a crutch if you put all your eggs in that basket.

Overall once again I state the Newbie Assignment needs your focus. Online/texting is a supplement for now.

You got this!
 
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Orgasmatron

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Oh I’ll add since you are Online be careful swiping right, messaging, approving everyone. I hear it’ll lower the quality of your prospect even more…not sure though.

I don’t use it, but I’m hearing that’ll make the algorithm fuck you.

….I’m wary of telling you to grab more info since that is your problem rn, but perhaps look into online LR, look up online game.

Lofty, Beck Bass, DoWhatWorks, and topcat are the guys I can think of who were doing some cool shiz with online. Any other guys please make yourself known if you are doing online game effectively. (Maybe worth a thread to see who’s?

But yeah my answer was in regards to cold approach…disregard me for online pal.

Please for the love of god donmt put all your eggs in online yet. Getting your AA mostly under control and reframing your emotions, learning seduction/influence will make all of your game better. You don’t suddenly suck at texting/online if you learn in person game. At best you’ll be mediocre.

But being a great texter/online doesn’t overall mean you can cold approach, seduce, get the girls and life you want.

Might end up using online and texting as a crutch if you put all your eggs in that basket.

Overall once again I state the Newbie Assignment needs your focus. Online/texting is a supplement for now.

You got this!

Thanks dude,

Certainly not going to put all my eggs in the online basket - It can be a total time suck. There's obviously pros and cons to it, but definitely isn't my main focus at all. It is helping me improve my text game though and just getting some interactions going

Newbie assignment and get AA under control are where the bigs wins are for me

Cheers
 

Will_V

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Thanks guys,

fwiw, some of them are actually quite cute.

I think I was just having a bit of an existential crisis this afternoon from my daygame frustrations.

I'll probably have another stupid question tomorrow

Cheers

To add to my reply in jest ..

If you literally aren't turned on at all by a woman, why would you go to bed with her? Nobody's paying you to do it, there are psychological effects, and there's always a nonzero risk of something going wrong. For me the experience of enjoying myself with an attractive woman is worth that (albeit tiny) risk, but certainly I will never put myself in the position of risking reproduction with a woman I find repulsive.

But the idea that a woman has to be perfect before you'll take her to bed is misguided - you'll miss out on all kinds of experiences. For me, if I'm just trying to get laid, she still has to be pleasant and reasonably attractive.

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If you're having trouble going up to a woman and saying hi, you need to expand your concept of what it is you're after. It sounds like you've put too much ego into the outcome - it's great to be driven to go for hot girls but the reality is that when you need to learn, you need exposure. And also, to learn, one must be able to immerse oneself in the immediate experience - that of creating an enjoyable conversation and interaction out of nothing - and be able to be fully focused on it and satisfied with it.

But instead you are having anxiety, which is basically the fear of failure, partly because you have a lot of expectations of success. You must get used to failure, to processing failure properly. Evaluating your performance, learning lessons and accepting the outcome in the knowledge that it helps you get a better result next time. I have taught myself to enjoy failure - I get a rush from standing there after a bombed approach, knowing people have seen it and are probably expecting me to fall apart, but instead they see the beatific tranquility and inner satisfaction of someone that their reality, rushing forward to fill the space that I opened, cannot touch.

The art of seduction is a combination of things that you may not have considered - the art of connection, the art of curiosity, the art of contagious self-affirmation, and more. When a man finds himself unable to say hello, my first question is - which of these moved him in the first place? Probably none, or it would not have been easy to stop him at all. The ego gets in the way of all of these, either by placing demands or recrimination, depending on where he is at.

When I approach, I strive to lose my ego - I consign myself to fate in the knowledge that my desire is real and that it validates itself. Like the truth, it stands on its own feet and doesn't need to be propped up. I merely have to allow it to express itself properly, in every word and movement. I am not concerned with myself, or my reputation, but with the clarity with which I was able to actualize my self expression, because that is the only thing that makes me truly exist.
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Focus on little things. Go up and say 'hello' merely to observe the explosion of chaos that your mind expects will happen within you. If it happens, feel it and listen to it, observe where it came from, with what conceptions and judgements. Where in your body does it reside? How does it move through your body? What effects does it have? Is it even unpleasant? What if you did nothing to stop it, but just watched it calmly?

But more than likely, it won't happen - but you'll be brought sharply into the present, perhaps with your heart beating fast or legs trembling a little, but knowing that even that was not enough to stop you from looking behind the curtain of your possibilities, and seeing for a brief moment that all the obstacles you thought existed between you and they were only mirages that vanished before you.
 
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Orgasmatron

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To add to my reply in jest ..

If you literally aren't turned on at all by a woman, why would you go to bed with her? Nobody's paying you to do it, there are psychological effects, and there's always a nonzero risk of something going wrong. For me the experience of enjoying myself with an attractive woman is worth that (albeit tiny) risk, but certainly I will never put myself in the position of risking reproduction with a woman I find repulsive.

But the idea that a woman has to be perfect before you'll take her to bed is misguided - you'll miss out on all kinds of experiences. For me, if I'm just trying to get laid, she still has to be pleasant and reasonably attractive.

Thanks, this is very helpful, as ever.

I don't have some ridiculously high standard I looking for. Are you cute on some level? Are you mentally stable? (this is a big one for me). Is there anything that suggests you might be fun to spend time with? So, yeah, me too, pleasant and reasonably attractive.

If you're having trouble going up to a woman and saying hi, you need to expand your concept of what it is you're after. It sounds like you've put too much ego into the outcome - it's great to be driven to go for hot girls but the reality is that when you need to learn, you need exposure. And also, to learn, one must be able to immerse oneself in the immediate experience - that of creating an enjoyable conversation and interaction out of nothing - and be able to be fully focused on it and satisfied with it.

But instead you are having anxiety, which is basically the fear of failure, partly because you have a lot of expectations of success. You must get used to failure, to processing failure properly. Evaluating your performance, learning lessons and accepting the outcome in the knowledge that it helps you get a better result next time. I have taught myself to enjoy failure - I get a rush from standing there after a bombed approach, knowing people have seen it and are probably expecting me to fall apart, but instead they see the beatific tranquility and inner satisfaction of someone that their reality, rushing forward to fill the space that I opened, cannot touch.

This is very interesting about ego.

Yeah, you always learn the most from where you fuck up, rather than where you did well. I need to embrace going out and fucking up.

Focus on little things. Go up and say 'hello' merely to observe the explosion of chaos that your mind expects will happen within you. If it happens, feel it and listen to it, observe where it came from, with what conceptions and judgements. Where in your body does it reside? How does it move through your body? What effects does it have? Is it even unpleasant? What if you did nothing to stop it, but just watched it calmly?

But more than likely, it won't happen - but you'll be brought sharply into the present, perhaps with your heart beating fast or legs trembling a little, but knowing that even that was not enough to stop you from looking behind the curtain of your possibilities, and seeing for a brief moment that all the obstacles you thought existed between you and they were only mirages that vanished before you.

I know, intellectually, that if I just do it, everything will be fine. Nothing bad will happen.

I want to do it, but my brain just stops me.

I need to think about this, sort my ego out, and figure out what the problem is.

Thanks
 

James D

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Heyya!

Definitely man!

I'd much rather get practice with the less cute girls if I was a virgin, so that my skills and experience levels are up and polished to succeed with the more beautiful ones!

I lost my virginity in June 2019 (3 years only, and yet I feel like a sex god lmao)

I banged a girl who was rather plain looking, an okay body and, well, she was nuts.

Totally worth it cause I banged her for a few months and got to practice sex and aimed at getting better.

After her, I went straight to dating a very attractive Russian girl.
 

ElderPrice

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If you grow a pair of balls and approach in person, then you wouldn't have to lower your standards :)

Also, don't overthink it. Does the girl make your dick hard? If yes, do your thing. If no, then how do you plan on fucking her?
 

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If you grow a pair of balls and approach in person, then you wouldn't have to lower your standards :)

Also, don't overthink it. Does the girl make your dick hard? If yes, do your thing. If no, then how do you plan on fucking her?

I think you've hit the nail on the head
 

CassieDon

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If you grow a pair of balls and approach in person, then you wouldn't have to lower your standards :)

Also, don't overthink it. Does the girl make your dick hard? If yes, do your thing. If no, then how do you plan on fucking her?

This helps.

Also, online isn't as simple as the OP thinks. Make sure your pictures are fully on point and you're actively working on your appearance. Online, you will be surprised. The girls who you would bang with your lowered standards will still expect a lot; you will be surprised how much effort goes into their pictures.
 

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This helps.

Also, online isn't as simple as the OP thinks. Make sure your pictures are fully on point and you're actively working on your appearance. Online, you will be surprised. The girls who you would bang with your lowered standards will still expect a lot; you will be surprised how much effort goes into their pictures.

Lol, well I discovered last night just how good girls are at pictures.

Oh dear. I definitely need to screen harder!

Learning all the time though - onwards and upwards!

Think I'm done with the lower standards thing after the last 2 weekends.
 

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its fine to use.

I would not bang them.
But use the interactions to practice various things. As you put in your title.

In general i advice to move into all sorts of +1 doings potentially just for short time. By +1 i consider things that takes you one move further into various situations that might improve your skills or which are tension filled/fear creating for you.

See it as a step thats PART of a larger momentum youre initiating from exactly where you are atm.
- getting out there not just sitting on the app - practicing IRL interaction with actual women/girls.
- starting convos in a locked in date format which will give peace for training eg verbals
it allows for more reflection and relaxation on some aspects while you improve the others.

Its a GOOD +1 momentum tactic for getting verbals to rif level eg. while improving fundamentals on looks a few nudges.
Helps to gain practice verbalising things and doing buildups. Make it help you gain the confidence and agression for more.

Just be conscious about what it is you practice here and what it does for you. Its easir which helps you get moving. good. whats your next +1 in tension thing you now dare?

key is youre getting into field one way or another in relation to where youre at.

Just keep an eye on that youre moving forward into things enough to boost your momentum. Look for the +1 things to do that are a lil scary. But doesnt overwhelm you.

When you review your week look for the little 1% changes and learnings you have. This micro view normally helps you pinpoint MANY things you learned which is motivating.
 
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