Opinions on Quality Women, or am my definition is wrong, Opinions. Thanks.

[trashKENNUT]

I been noticing something,

Lately i been getting to know friends and social circles, friends friend. We didn't have time to get to know each other. i happen to see their boyfriends. I kind of think that most beautiful women tend to end up with a guy i find whom is just happen that the girl like them and he played the friend's route and suddenly she likes him because all the friends approve afterawhile, sometimes even date for a year or two before getting together. i post this question quite long time ago, but this is more deep.

I want to know, Are quality women tend to be masculine women? Because i know a few, and they kind of the girls who don't liked being led on, the masculine minded girls. They tend to end up with guys whom they can drag along, the "safe" kind of guys. I even had past girl friends tell me this. And if so, which means Chase is right, masculine women who also happen to be a women of value, tend to end up being the leader of the relationship, and if i remember correctly, Chase mention two ambitious person don't go so well together, and i believe this to be a fact. because every person who is ambitious anywhere, even soccer which i play, there will be tendency of ego clashes.

ALSo, i haven't meet any feminine quality women yet, honestly. (Must be my luck. -.-)

LEt me hear your thoughts, Appreciate it. Is it possible to gel? Being a career couple like Jay-z and Beyonce doesn't happen all so often, or am i wrong?

Zac

 

[NarrowJ]

Hey Zac,

I see that all too often. An extremely attractive, high-value woman in a long-term relationship with a guy who just seems all too... "regular". If you think about the things Chase teaches, it makes perfect sense. For a guy to have high "husband value", he doesn't need a suave walk, great body, awesome hair and the smooth and sexy demeanor and body language. He just needs to have a nice career and not be gay... lol, but you get the point. They're "safe", as you put it. I think it's more just coincidence that these men end up being from the girl's extended social circle, since they probably meet these guys in lower-pressure environments like church, at their job, some mutual friend at a wedding, or some other "non-party" type of function and then after the guy courts them for a few months it wears them down and they cave and end up in a relationship with him.

The thing about these hot, high-value women in LTRs with "regular" guys... they often cheat on them at some point, even having lengthy affairs. And who do you suppose they cheat and have these affairs with? That's right, the guys with high "lover value" that come along and make them hot and take them home and ravish them.

Anyway, that's just my take on it,
NJ

 

[trashKENNUT]

NJ,

I see that all too often. An extremely attractive, high-value woman in a long-term relationship with a guy who just seems all too... "regular". If you think about the things Chase teaches, it makes perfect sense. For a guy to have high "husband value", he doesn't need a suave walk, great body, awesome hair and the smooth and sexy demeanor and body language. He just needs to have a nice career and not be gay... lol, but you get the point. They're "safe", as you put it. I think it's more just coincidence that these men end up being from the girl's extended social circle, since they probably meet these guys in lower-pressure environments like church, at their job, some mutual friend at a wedding, or some other "non-party" type of function and then after the guy courts them for a few months it wears them down and they cave and end up in a relationship with him.

The thing about these hot, high-value women in LTRs with "regular" guys... they often cheat on them at some point, even having lengthy affairs. And who do you suppose they cheat and have these affairs with? That's right, the guys with high "lover value" that come along and make them hot and take them home and ravish them.

Yea, but that's the problem, doesn't it? i mean we can always get the fun, high testosterone women who is ambitious, fun, masculine and easy going. But to see one as a relationship long term? It's not practical since they likely to cheat. Another reason i remember saying this to Franco in one post, about one day, if guys like us, turn religious or be more laid back (and i have seen this a lot) it happens too. The last reason is needing our women to support, like Bill Gates, for example. His wife share the same goals as him.

and Chase said they are not good long term, and i have enough evidence to back that up, with the drama, i have seen around me. Also, another reason to stay single and be as successful as possible.

Zac

 

[Estate]

Value or Quality isn't real... it's all perception.

If a girl LOOKS like the most beautiful woman you have ever seen walking the earth but you quite obviously see holes in her personality, her outlooks, her values, her views, even how much value she needs to see in someone else to date them then.... Do you STILL think she is high quality?

I have my own idea of what a "quality" woman is but mainly because I know what *I* value and if I find a woman with the same then I value HER.
But while looks are ONE part of it... they are not everything. I can categorically say this over the last 6 months: I've met some women who were just off the scale in terms of looks, but their personalities just sucked, or they lacked the same ambition I had and just knew their lifestyle was not something I wanted to be part of. So once I got past how "quality" they were in the looks-department... overall they weren't really of such great quality overall.

But that's ME. Those girls didn't live up to MY criteria for quality but they will to other guys who value other things.

In terms of pretty girls and regular guys though which is a little side-track... you know, we've all seen it at some point. Girls come in all shapes and sizes (to coin a phrase). I've met those girls who just HAVE to settle down. They HAVE to be in control and they know they can do that by getting weak guys who will be OVER THE MOON to date such a pretty girl , or a dominant girl or whatever she happens to be. Some girls after a certain age just don't want to play the field... it's not in their "plan". As I write this I am thinking of a particular girl I know since college. Back then she had her whole "plan" laid out for the next 10-15 years. How she's progress in work, how and when she'd marry, etc. When she hit the time where she was "due" to marry her boyfriend, he broke up with her... que meltdown. Not over the guy, but over her PLAN. This didn't fit her plan. Needless to say within months she had a new guy and was engaged. The guy himself is a nice dude but a little "simple". He's happy to have a woman take care of him and she's happy her plans fall into place... pushing 30 and still playing the field to find the right guy just wasn't her vision. She had to be married by then.
Some women (and guys) are just like this. Looks, quality, personality... they aren't everything to them. They just need to follow a "path" they've laid out for themselves. They are happy with it but it seems a little sad to not just WAIT for the best person rather than just finding ANYONE who can fit into your life plan, but we don't judge.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Estate,

They just need to follow a "path" they've laid out for themselves. They are happy with it but it seems a little sad to not just WAIT for the best person rather than just finding ANYONE who can fit into your life plan, but we don't judge.

The "path" you mention where women follow what they laid out is true, I do not judge this women. but i think at the end of the day, like you mentioned, it is what you pick.

Unfortunately i have a lot of past friends who has "victim mentality", i'm not saying i do not have one. Everyone has it to a certain degree, but i want to do my best rather than just digress, "oh life isn't fair" and whatever else those people say.

the lesson learnt here, "We can bitch what we done in the past, but it's not gonna change anything. Now is our choice to change it once we are aware."

Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

FUCk,

How come there's no more debates on this. COMMON PEOPLE,

Let's rumble!!!

Zac

 

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BUMP

 

[silenceinthesnow]

Hey Zac,

Your definition of something that's objective can't be wrong, but it could be misaligned due to being misguided. Estate hit the nail on the head when he said its a matter of perception. I know the angle you're looking at; when you see a stunning girl with someone that looks well out of her league. He very well could have played the friends card all the way, or maybe he was persistent? Who knows? However if their personality isn't there they're not as great as you think; ideally everyone wants the full package.

My definition of a quality girl doesn't involve them being masculine, but that doesn't mean to say they can't be ambitious and no one likes being led on. The damsel in distress maybe? However we all know to avoid this, pre-selection would eliminate her faster than 'the flash' on speed!

I think there's a better approach to looking at it and its chasing. We're all aware there's a settler and a reacher in every relationship and the reacher is typically chasing. If you're looking for the 'unicorn' that is girlfriend material you're going for a perceived high value girl and if she's high value it won't be easy but the fun is in the game. If you approach a girl you've invested instantly and they think that you're chasing, but you're not you're simply leading the interaction. If the game is played correctly the lines will blur:

I read an article on GC about it that hopefully explains this concept better than I have: https://www.girlschase.com/content/when- ... ll-chasing

'This interplay between your desire and her desire, your attempts to control the chasing dynamic and her attempts to do so, can make for a very captivating experience where you’re attempting to dominate women who are attempting to dominate you, and playing you just as much as you are playing them. Seduction is a game folks; when both sides make things challenging, exciting, and fun, everyone wins... because the game never ends.'

SilenceintheSnow

 

[trashKENNUT]

snow.

Seduction is a game folks; when both sides make things challenging, exciting, and fun, everyone wins... because the game never ends.'

Ar...... nope.

I wish the world was all rosy and nice.

There seems to be two things that all men can't accept.

1)Women are non-contractual human beings.
2)You either win or she wins.

There's no such thing as you both win at the same rate. What is a "successful" couple or family? All too often, it's roles. Everyone heading in the same direction, but has everyone wonder why we all bullshit while trying to fuck our own girlfriends in social circle?

Why? Simple. We ALL WANT TO WIN.

I hate saying this. Even George Clooney is a chode nowadays. LOLX. Part of it is age. You can't just go around shagging every girl, and every girl becomes retarded and waste of time. So there's a certain part of your brain that creates a delusion (marriage) to cover that weakness or you make peace with that.

Zac

 

[silenceinthesnow]

Hey Zac,

You're right with the concept that either you win or she wins, however the fundamental flaw is that you only 'win' while she permits it. Submission for a girl is only an act, she'll use it when its in her best interest but as soon as that changes she's right back. The psychology to this can be rather interesting: https://www.girlschase.com/content/she-l ... -she-wants
The other catch to this is you can win all the silly games they decide to play and still not get the prize. The best option you can play sometimes doesn't always end with the result that you want which means you can win the battle but ultimately lose the war. (The jury is out on this, I guess it's technically a draw but if you're not winning you're not winning)

If we're looking at winners and losers there's a saying 'If you can't accept defeat, you'll never win.' Therefore you need to be ready to play the game and its forever changing rules and stipulations. A successful couple clearly has a strong leader, but you need to be attracted to each other equally because the winner is the one who cares least. I'm sure we have all heard stories of the 'unicorn' that is girlfriend material. If you found one you might be tempted to leave the nomads behind? That is a personal decision upon that time.

The 'Delusion' is a concept portrayed by society which is simply that; however if that's the world we live in... 'When in Rome do what the Romans do'. This is a whole new debate altogether but I wouldn't say buying into the concept covers your weakness, maybe you're making peace with it? Only you will know what color you paint it. 'A grey so dark'... right? (I'm sure someone will get the reference to that).

I also feel you misconstrued my comment about both winning. The game is usually a lot more fun when its challenging, if they're full on chasing you it can take the fun out of it. The same way if you were to full on chase a girl you'd become pretty boring to them and become friend zoned pretty quickly. If you're both on the same roller-coaster ride you can both enjoy it. Ultimately you either win or lose with that interaction eventually. As with everything in life you'll learn from it.

SilenceintheSnow

 

[trashKENNUT]

snow,

You're right with the concept that either you win or she wins, however the fundamental flaw is that you only 'win' while she permits it. Submission for a girl is only an act, she'll use it when its in her best interest but as soon as that changes she's right back. The psychology to this can be rather interesting: https://www.girlschase.com/content/she-l ... -she-wants
The other catch to this is you can win all the silly games they decide to play and still not get the prize. The best option you can play sometimes doesn't always end with the result that you want which means you can win the battle but ultimately lose the war. (The jury is out on this, I guess it's technically a draw but if you're not winning you're not winning)

I like people who question me with their ideas. IT always make life curious.

I agree.

So my conclusion is that, who wins the most at the current situation. And since the future is unknown. You can fuck a girl and don't text her back. False Rape accusations ensues. Why? Because the tribe thing. For women, causality perceives.... her tribe and what she does. Thus she looks like she wins at surface level, but she is just doing her causality.

That's the philosophy part. The practical part is what stage is she in, and what she wants.

Holy shit, the secret.

If we're looking at winners and losers there's a saying 'If you can't accept defeat, you'll never win.' Therefore you need to be ready to play the game and its forever changing rules and stipulations. A successful couple clearly has a strong leader, but you need to be attracted to each other equally because the winner is the one who cares least. I'm sure we have all heard stories of the 'unicorn' that is girlfriend material. If you found one you might be tempted to leave the nomads behind? That is a personal decision upon that time.

You looking at process level. I'm looking at fundamental level. You telling me this from an information standpoint. I'm insisting that "hey, we all want to win. It's easier to say all this things when you winning".

This is a part of me that has been in my conversations with people recently. or at least bothering my mind for many years. Snow might say all this information but why should i trust Snow? I'm basically pointing out and using your knowledge that you just noted.

I also feel you misconstrued my comment about both winning. The game is usually a lot more fun when its challenging, if they're full on chasing you it can take the fun out of it. The same way if you were to full on chase a girl you'd become pretty boring to them and become friend zoned pretty quickly. If you're both on the same roller-coaster ride you can both enjoy it. Ultimately you either win or lose with that interaction eventually. As with everything in life you'll learn from it.

What is challenging? How do you define challenging?

But that's not the point. I'm making this simple. You noting to me that the game can be a lot more fun when its challenging. Right?....... Well, if you not noticing where she is, it doesn't matter if the rollercoaster is challenging. There is no tracks to run on.

But please, clarify what i misconstrued. Because since we going Napoleon, i need to read back my post.

Zac

 

[silenceinthesnow]

Hey Zac,

Very interesting reply, your first point ties in with your second last one. You like people who question you with their ideas because it makes life more curious, thus I'm making this more challenging which is fun. Right?

The future is unknown, so winning the battle is always good. However if you don't win the war that small victory doesn't reflect in the final picture. Another issue with just winning the silly games is it doesn't always advance the relationship, sometimes that's a good thing because you've just screened them as not being suitable and your original reading was of, that happens. We've all thought we found a unicorn and it ended up being a one horned goat right? (If you haven't seen despicable me 3 you won't get that reference) However if you're curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKGGsAfudQo

Fundamental level or process level we all want to win, and yes it is easier to say it when you're informed but clearly your informed if your in a successful relationship? Why would you trust snow? I wouldn't, I'm not exactly that silent so that's a contradiction straight away.... I'm not asking you to trust me, I'm just providing thoughts and opinions to give you an alternative view point.

Challenging is definitely hard to define, as it changes from situation but usually something that requires effort to overcome is challenging. Not that I'm a huge fan of last minute resistance... but that's something else. If you can't notice where she is it can't be challenging because you're not even in the game. No matter how you run that gameplay you don't know the rules and you're only ever going to win by chance. If there's no tracks to run on, again you're not in the game. There's challenging and there's mission impossible. Mission impossible you've got no chance because she isn't interested anyway...Something challenging, that's where the 'game' is actually played.

You originally misconstrued my comment on winning by saying you can't both win at the same rate. You can't, but you can both win. If your objective is to get with her and her objective is to get with you you'll both win when that happens. If you're both working towards the same goal you're both winning. That's where the fun in the game is, if she's chasing you hard and you just 'accept' it, it took no effort or game. You've won but its a free prize...

SilenceintheSnow

 

[trashKENNUT]

snow,

Another issue with just winning the silly games is it doesn't always advance the relationship

Hmm... what is winning, is also another thing.

Zac allows you to think that you are winning, when really, he is screening.

I have been passive screening without knowing and one of Girlschase board members, Drck, who was pretty cool but have a tendency to put 'just be yourself' advice, gets revealed by me because i show them what they are not. Not because i want Drck to get banned, which ironically he was because partly it is philosophical. When you are nothingness, and you perceive people, the next logical (fundamental) step is feeling. The other is i accidentally revealed his skeleton out of the closet.

Obviously, this is speculation, but speculation is where life leads. No one knows anything. But yea.... I don't know how to explain this.

You know the feeling where it's cool to bash people but it's not cool to get bash? Yea.... I always do this to people. I always let people bash Zac just to screen them, and i don't realize i am pretty good at this. It's a women thing, and when i do this to women,

they really hate it. lolx

But just like women, i don't know what to do with the screening. (And just in case if Chase read this.... or the guys of Girlschase who read this, this is women's loophole in psychology, and yes this is solid info that women don't care about your money!

Fundamental level or process level we all want to win, and yes it is easier to say it when you're informed but clearly your informed if your in a successful relationship? Why would you trust snow? I wouldn't, I'm not exactly that silent so that's a contradiction straight away.... I'm not asking you to trust me, I'm just providing thoughts and opinions to give you an alternative view point.

Good stuff.

You originally misconstrued my comment on winning by saying you can't both win at the same rate. You can't, but you can both win. If your objective is to get with her and her objective is to get with you you'll both win when that happens. If you're both working towards the same goal you're both winning. That's where the fun in the game is, if she's chasing you hard and you just 'accept' it, it took no effort or game. You've won but its a free prize...

Ar, i think where i am looking is i am looking at it from a long term perspective.

Women today want to be the 'man' in the marriage. Here's another secret dear Girlschase members. Most women are unaware of the line that they cross that destroys everything that a women wants, the tribe. Ironically, every beautiful women, who happens to be educated or have a great father, tends to know where this line is.

The latter girls are content if her man is a chode in one area, because that's the delusion of freedom that a women manipulates, that man must feel that he has freedom.

Chase will agree with me on this. Pretty confident he would. He insinuates this in his article on educated women. Men are Snorlax. literally. And beautiful women knows the line to allow men to feel as if he has freedom when he is in jail with money. Most women do not.

Zac

 

[silenceinthesnow]

Hey Zac, my apologies on such a late reply to this. I've been totally swamped and spent all my available time out in the field which has had some experiences that tie in perfectly with this post.

What is winning is definitely another thing altogether, and clearly there's winning battles and winning wars which again is something else altogether. Its also a matter of perspective and your end goals.

Screening is something that happens on a fundamental level and everyone screens to some extent, its somewhat tied in to your read on someone which is generally passive. The feeling of its cool to bash people but not cool to get bashed is known; and yeah girls/women hate it used against them. It can be used to stop auto rejection as well if you're willing to show you're comfortable being 'bashed' within context and meaning, (to anyone who hasn't used this in practice: - but clearly don't become a doormat that's obviously never cool)

A lot of the screening you will handle on a subconscious level so I wouldn't worry so much about what to do with it, it will serve its purpose. I also totally agree women don't care about your money, if anything I find it can slow down your interactions. There's a few articles relating to this on girls chase: https://www.girlschase.com/content/will- ... t-you-laid

Going back to 'both winning' the long term perspective you're looking at does warp the both winning view although again if you're both working towards the same goals its still possible; however that view would breed content which wouldn't be what anyone wants. This is however something else entirely.

I totally agree that women want to be the 'man' in the marriage and it does destroy everything they actually want which is very ironic. I like your description of 'beautiful women who are educated knows the line to allow men to feel as if he has freedom when he is in jail with money'.I'd second the fact that most women do not however I feel this still plays into the mindset that the women are in the leadership role.

'But love is a lovely violence. It is a struggle. A struggle between a woman who wants to be free, and a man who wants her to submit.'https://www.girlschase.com/content/she-wants-submit

Going back to the original post lately women do end up with 'safe' options who they can lead because its easier or their social circle approves of it. I wouldn't say that these are always quality women but some quality women definitely end up settling, but its their time if they wish to waste it with something they're not interested in. That's somewhat the issue they have, typically speaking they can only choose from those that approach them. Where you can approach who you want which gives you better options from the start.

SilenceintheSnow

 

[trashKENNUT]

snow,

if you're willing to show you're comfortable being 'bashed' within context and meaning, (to anyone who hasn't used this in practice: - but clearly don't become a doormat that's obviously never cool)

yeap.

Going back to 'both winning' the long term perspective you're looking at does warp the both winning view although again if you're both working towards the same goals its still possible; however that view would breed content which wouldn't be what anyone wants. This is however something else entirely.

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what do you mean, contempt or content?

I wouldn't say that these are always quality women but some quality women definitely end up settling,

Ar this is where society is false guided,


Sophia Vergara?
Selena Gomez?
Beyonce?

Every women "settles". That is why Penis envy by Sigmund Freud, is so fucking real. What misrepresents it? Money, Status, Wealth, Fame. That's why women are unhappy eh.

Jay Z, George Clooney is cool, but even they are either beaten out by society or "tone down" their masculinity.

typically speaking they can only choose from those that approach them. Where you can approach who you want which gives you better options from the start.

This is women has the 'i have money in jail'. applied on them. Who applied on them?

Society.

So dear Women all over the world, if you reading this, Daddy Zac just brings you true enlightenment.

it's fuck up but we all are selfish. In this case, the society that is. or girl friends in social circles. Oh ho ho, girl friends break up each other all the time. This is also why women dislike each other.

Zac

 

[silenceinthesnow]

Hey Zac,

My apologies on the delay in this reply, I've been sidetracked away from the field lately which has been a great learning opporunity for me. I typically don't do the whole official relationship thing but I decided to settle for a little while. I know it won't last long because she's recently caused drama because I'm not so easily tamed, however I have recently made a mistake by overstepping my boundaries in the bedroom. I've posted an article in the relationship forum and would be interested in your opinion on the matter.

To your first point I meant contempt. I should learn to proof read but where's the fun in that?

I don't think I might have used a good term with settling, I was mostly referring to in relationships there are settlers and reachers, the settler is the one who will think they can do better. This can be both the guy or the girl, and is why people will cheat if they feel they're of higher value than what they currently have. I've seen many amazing women with guys that have zero fundamentals and it always makes me wonder why they would settle for someone like that. I don't think most guys would settle for a girl who didn't care about their appearance and looked a total state... but I've seen that happen. Desperation, they obviously don't have abundance mentality and value themselves increadibly low. That is something else entirely.

Women definitely dislike each other, and its stunning to see. I've recently witnessed a girl complain about her best friend and call her everything behind her back for attention seeking to then fold to her instantly which only empowers her to do it more, and the cycle of disliking her begins again.

SilenceintheSnow

 

[trashKENNUT]

BUMP

Women definitely dislike each other, and its stunning to see

They don't dislike each other. There's a business term. 'Throwing rocks at red ocean'.

Zac