LRx3: Get in the Van!
I've had a slew of very similar lays recently, and I am
posting the last few in one layreport, as separate reports
would look very redundant in this case.
These lays were a result of the following influences:
Shark, Swinggcat, Dimitri, Ross Jeffries, Formhandle,
TokyoPUA.
Target Profiles:
HB1: Korean chick about 22 years old. Had one
boyfriend previously in Korea.
HB2: Chinese chick with jacked teeth. (I don't
mind, she has a great ass!) 33 years old, has
a boyfriend in china.
HB3: 18 year old virgin, very beautiful korean
chick. As the pickup artist formerly known as
manifestis3 would say: "I devirginized her."
All picked up during the daytime. HB1 was
part of a 2set Dimitri and I extracted from the
Prudential. HB2 was on the street, I spoke
with her casually and # closed. HB3 was in
Barnes and Noble. I rolled up with "Hi, I saw
you walking over there and I think you're beautiful."
(credit: Shark)
Notes: HB3 -- The languaging I use to # close is
"Let's get together and have some coffee sometime."
said in a very casual, relaxed manner - as if I just
thought of it then and there. It makes the # close
the next logical step. I talso gives them concrete
plans of why you are getting her #. So as I said this
to HB3, she told me that her phone is broken -- at
first glance sounds like a flake. One thing I used to
do which i think a lot of guys still do is PRESUPPOSING
HER ATTEMPT TO FLAKE. (Which of course causes
her to flake) I use to do things like;
-acting as if i don't believe her / mistrust of women in general
-Using too much technique to get the #
-calling the # right then and there... etc... (one exception
is if you are calling to leave a high energy message
with her, which just shows that you are fun and playful)
The above USED to work for me better when I was
RAFC... but I believe that the more powerful you
become the more gentle you should be with women.
From the very beginning, frame the entire interaction
between the two of you as cooperative, not competitive.
Instead, i said, "that's cool, I trust you... do you have
email?" Which presupposes trust. I am starting to
think this is better for me, more congruent with my style...
because if she tries to give you a fake #, you're
haven't g closed her and you're basically fucked anyway.
So with HB1 and 2, I called, ran some high energy phone
game, HB3, I sent her a short email (Jay's email rules).
So I set up some coffee meetings around 4 in the afternoon.
We meet in the copley mall and get coffee. My basic
MO is the following:
-Setting a dominant frame and the underlying meaning
of the interaction.
-Busting on her - repeating things she said in a skeptical
tonality and then looking at her like "ok you can explain
yourself now."
-Getting her to qualify herself to me.
-Telling short real life stories that are interesting or funny.
-Leading aggressively when venue changing.
-Underneath all of the teasing and ballbusting there is
a very "direct" vibe that I like her and enjoy being with her.
-Playful kino - not serious kino - like holding her hand or
putting my arm around her (That has a tendency to raise
ASD in public)
I actually keep this up throughout the entire interaction
from start to finish.
After about 45 minutes to an hour of coffee I say
"I'm having a nice time with you, let's take a walk"
She agrees, and we walk around the mall a bit,
then down onto Newbury st. I continue the basic
MO - connecting with her, sharing stories from
my life, my outlook, my perspective on things,
talking about my passions and dreams. Also
I continue to bust on her and set the frame that
she's not as cool as me, kind of nerdy. (credit:
Swinggcat) I will also use a lot of callback humor
- ifthere is something I busted on her about, and
it got a good reaction, I will keep going back to it
over and over - and she will love it more and more.
Over the course of the evening I think I must have
had 12-15 different ongoing jokes that I could bring
back at any time to add excitement and fun to our vibe.
The thing about this is, I really genuinely enjoy these
interactions, they are awesome moments of my life,
I really had a great time connecting with the
girls, and it made it a once in a lifetime romantic
fantasy being fulfilled for them.
So after about 1 hour of walking, its about 6'oclock
and I say "I'm hungry...you hungry?" If she says
yes I say "Great lets get dinner!", if she says no, I
say, "Great, you can watch ME eat!"
Once she agrees to dinner, we walk into the copley
garage where my van is parked. by agreeing to
dinner she has agreed to go into the van, since
socially she has committed herself. Agreeing to
going to dinner (seems harmless, we're in a mall, right?)
means she will basically be congruent with
following me and getting in the van with me.
We get in the van, and start driving. We are going
to Quincy market. I tell her "There is this awesome
parking garage called Post Office Square Garage,
and it's only 7 bucks on the weekends. All the other
places are like 28 bucks. But its hard to find. Here,
take this map, you can be my navigator. And if we
get lost, I won't blame you.... entirely.. maybe only 75% "
So I hand her the map and off we go. It's actually
quite a challenge driving around Boston, so its a
challenge for her to navigate as well, and by her
working to help me drive there, it does a few things.
-Occupies her conscious mind, so that she cannot
use her logic think about the possibilities of being
in the van with me.
-She puts work into the process, becomes congruent to
the PU
-Reverse supplication (credit: Dimitri)
-Frame of her being my "navigator" - my bitch
We arrive at the garage. This parking garage is
underground, and it is 6 levels deep. On the weekend,
the first level has spaces, but is pretty full.
The second level is pretty empty but still plenty of cars.
The third level hasabout 10 cars on the entire level and
is pretty dimly lit. I want to park on at least the third level.
But it might seem weird driving down there, past all
these empty spots. So as I am driving from level 2 to
3, I say "I don't know if you've ever been here during
the week, but this place is PACKED! I came
here one time and it was so crowded, I had to
park on the 6th level! Can you believe that??" So when
I park on the 3rd level, it's not so weird. Also this
serves as a bit of a distraction.
I park in THE SAME EXACT SPOT every time. It's
in a corner, facing a wall, with a wall on the
passenger side also.
Then as soon as I park, we get out, I lead with
"Come on, let's go." To ease any concerns.
A word about comfort and rapport.
I don't ever consciously try to use comfort and
rapport. I assume rapport and comfort. (I assume
attraction too, but I do believe that I am naturally
attractive through my looks, dress, BL, tonality,
and attitude) I think comfort comes from experience
(Formhandle just had an excellent post about
this, I agree with it completely - about gaining
confidence from experience) Anyway the ability to
handle social pressure translates into the ability to
dissipate social pressure. So being able to handle
tough situations like multiple AMOGS will give you
the inherent ability to extinguish any awkwardness
or social clumsiness of the girl. When you can
dissipate and relieve social pressure created by
the girl you are with, she will feel comfortable with you -
and that is all the comfort and rapport you need to lay her!
I am not saying to dissipate all pressure, but be the
one in control of the flow. You create it at will, you
can dissipate it. She creates it by accident, and since
you like her and are merciful you can choose to relieve it
or not.
We walk to Quincy market, and walk around. I continue
with the standard MO. We find a place to eat, and have dinner.
I will also do things like tell stories with a sexual vibe
to them, or use innuendos or play the lying game - which
is a fun way to introduce sexual topics. I let her pay
for half of dinner if she offers, if not I pay. I don't
think too much about supplication because I know
she's gonna get fucked by me anyway and it will not have
mattered if I paid or not.
After dinner I walk her back to the van. I go over to her
side, open her door to let her in, and before she gets in,
I do a mini-wall slam - (the walls are concrete, so I'm not
too rough...) Kiss them for a few minutes and then say
"Get in the Van." At this point she gets in the van, but
doesn't know if I stopped it to leave or whatever.
They get in, and if they put their seatbelt
on, I say "Take off your seatbelt" Then
I continue to kiss them inside the van. This is
good enough isolation.
NOTE: This entire method is based on the
following model:
1. Keep the vibe lively.
2. Qualify her when she asks for it.
3. Increase the level of seduction (kino and isolation)
continuously.
Simple and easy. Genuinely have fun with the girl, show
her an exciting time, and get her to agree to your transitions.
Make the transitions subtle and go from low risk to high risk.
They agree to talk to me for a few minutes. They must like me.
They give me their number. They meet me for coffee (low
risk to meet someone in the mall for coffee) but then they
agree for a walk. During the walk we leave the mall and
come back, stretching the comfort a bit - then agree to dinner,
which means they are agreeing to going in the van. Going in
the van - I can park wherever I want - they have no control
over that. I park in an isolated place - go to dinner, then
we have to go back to the van, BAM
she is now in isolation. So agreeing to coffee = agreeing
to isolation.
At no point does she worry about me trying to fuck her,
cause I never try to get her "to my place" or "her place" etc.
She is unprepared to resist. If she doesn't know how to come up
with an excuse of some kind, she cannot resist -
ASD is out of the question.
Plus I think there is some additional thrill to fucking in a
public place.
LMR:
Since the entire thing takes place on a day2 and you will
have her in isolation within 5 or so hours, be prepared for LMR.
I am very strong in this area. I have never isolated a chick without
fucking her. And i have never gotten coffee (recently) with a chick
without being able to isolate her.
So my LMR techniques are the following. I use them alternately
and persistently.
-Qualifying her when she asks for it. "Why do you like me?"
me :"I don't know what it is, when i first saw you i had to talk to you...
You seem like such a gentle, giving person...etc."
-Agreeing with her - "Yes you're right I don't want us to do
anything we will regret." and simultaneously advancing physically.
-Pacing - "Yes, but we can just lie here together, feeling good...
Yes but i can just rub my cock on your pussy without putting
it in...etc"
-Speed Seduction type patterning - I think this is an
EXCELLENT LMR tactic. Maybe lots of SS routines and
openers seem really socially awkward, but in
endgame, I have gotten excellent results with this. Example:
"What is it like for a woman to... FEEL SO TURNED ON.. NOW
I imagine that its like you start to FEEL IT GET WET DOWN
THERE, and you BECOME MORE AND MORE AWARE
OF YOUR HEARTBEAT... and your skin becomes so
sensitive... feels like electricity dancing over the surface of
your skin. and it builds and builds to the point where you
can just LOOSE CONTROL COMPLETELY and TAKE IT
ALL INSIDE" etc.... said with a very seductive, slow and deep
tonality, while rubbing her everywhere.
At that point sex usually happens. It sucks doing it in the van.
SUCKS! It's like 120 degrees, cramped... I have to roll open
a window for her to stick her head out while she's getting
railed. And when you come, it just goes
wherever... When me and HB1 were getting dressed post
sex, she pointed out that I blew a huge load all over her purse
which was on the floor under us.
Pretty funny actually.
This method is incredibly powerful and efficient. HB3
actually told me she loved me that night. After 2 hours
sweating in the van, we decided to get a
hotel room to finish, and sleep together the rest of the night.
Questions, Comments??
Grandmaster Woodhaven, Van-Fucking Pick-Up Artist
