FR Out with the handsome wing again!

[greenleaf]

Very brief and non-eventful FR that I wasn't gonna bother writing, but I sometimes find writing them kind of therapeutic, tbh!

All of my usual wings were at a gig in London, so I called up my handsome friend up. (As per prior FR's, going out with him is usual a bit of a state killer as I try to curb my envy! haha)

I bought some shots and the bargirl gave us a free one. I opened the girl near me and offered her the extra shot (I didn't want it) and then she said 'thanks!' and introduced me and my friend to her friends and we all started chatting. There was hot gilr in the group and after it was clear that the other girls had accepted me, I targeted her made some cold reads and was firing some questions at her with breaking rapport tonality etc, but after a few mins, she still hadn't asked me anything and her body language was fairly cold and I could sense a clear lack of sexual interest. Decided she wasn't into me and I ejected a few mins after to find new girls


Opened 3 girls who were all wearing black outfits with a comment about that observation, (something like ''I didn't get the 'all black', memo!'. That sort of opener has worked for me in the past) but they kind of blanked me lol.


Then I opened these 2 fairly hot girls as I put my drink on their table as there wasn't much room and said something like 'Hey. There's no room here. We're neighbours now' and she smiled and played along with the 'neighbours' theme for a few seconds which broke the ice. Then we started talking. I Asked her about herself and made some cold reads and stuff. She was asking me and my friend questions (more him in hindsight. Telling him various celebrities that he looks like) and then 10 mins later or so, when I asked where they were headed next, they told us they were going too a gay bar and invited us lol


We agreed. Gay bar Was actually FULL of hot girls in there lol


The 4 of us danced straight away after getting our drinks rather than chat a bit first which i'd have prefrred, as, at this point, I still didn't sense any attraction from either and hadn't done much in the way of 'flirting' verbally, really. Too loud to talk (and they wanted to dance) so it started to feel slightly awkward. It was also now clear that both of them (certainly the hotter one but also her friend I think) wanted to bang my friend lol. He hadn't actually ran game and he's kinda quiet but they were trying to turn him on. Thing is, he has a girlfriend and rarely cheats so as they were trying to kind of kiss him and stuff he kept turning his head.

I tried my luck with the other girl in terms of trying to get a bit more physical, but she wasn't really playing ball.

State crashed a bit here and I convinced my friend to leave the girls. Selfish move on my part as he was enjoying himself (not that he'd have likely banged her though) but I was starting to feel like a 3rd (4th?!) wheel.


Then the 2 of us went too a late night bar. My friend got opened by a fairly hot brunette in the beer garden who pretended to recognise him (she didn't. This happens to him most nights. I think it's just most girls standard opener lol) and I tried gaming her fairly hot friend. Made some observations about her, breaking rapport tonality questions etc. She asked me what I do and I went into the music routine where I 'teach' her something which she liked. Isolated her slightly and tried to take the convo more sexual (started with asking about her dating life and what sort of guys she would never fuck etc). Asked about age gaps and used it to tell a sexual story with a kind of DHV about me banging a hot 30 year old when I was very young (true story lol). Asked her about her favourite positions and why she likes it. She was an open book, but I don't think she was into me as I could just tell from her eye contact and body-language. I told her to come dance with me as I figured I could try to get physical there, but she didn't want to. She then went to the bathroom and I didn't see her again. (My friend was rejecting her friends advances and told her he has a GF and so she bailed too)


Should have done more approaches. There was one 9/10 girl I saw in the 2nd bar who I didn't have the balls to open. So very hot. Although I saw her 20 mins later with a few guys (i'm guessing one of them was her bf or whatever) so no great loss


Hopefully I didn't catch the virus lol. Was very busy out!

 

[Beam]

Nice FR. Those dismissive reactions from women you get sound eerily similar to mine, especially in the presence of very good looking friends.

I had a friend/coworker who was (is) a super handsome dude (although at times he's confessed he's been jealous of my looks. ha ha ha). Broke up with his girlfriend of 6 years back in 2018- made a tinder and in two days had 100s of likes but complained that he didn't care about any of them. He hated coming out with us (he hated going out because before he was in a relationship and went out, he would always get groped and got sick of it). But the three or so times he did come out he complained that so many girls were ogling him but he didn't like any of them. Despite this, two of those times he had hooked up with a hot girl within 10 minutes of entering the venue - one of them he went home with after she invited him but didn't fuck because he didn't have a condom, the other one was crazy and got into a fight so he bailed on her and left. When I ran into her later she was stressing out trying to find him. He got into a relationship a few months after with another one of my cute friends/coworkers, but not before sleeping with another one of my coworkers who he also didn't care about but who loved him!

I try not to think about this when I go out night after night without getting anything, lol.

 

[Velasco]

Isolated her slightly and tried to take the convo more sexual

Good.

(started with asking about her dating life and what sort of guys she would never fuck

What did she respond with?

And did you preempt this by listing examples of physical traits of guys (height, physique, race), she’d never go for. So that she’ll think of in those terms rather than give you politically correct personality traits of guys she’s unattracted to (lazy, selfish, needy, possessive). You don’t have to tho. Like if you just want to calibrate off her answer (HB: oh I would never fuck a guy who's selfish!! Greenleaf: oh, so what is it about selfish guys that turn you off?) and have a conversation based off that, go ahead.

The girls I go for are always between 5 feet - 5’8ish. That’s one of the qualities I look for in girls. So the reason I list short guys as one of options is twofold. One you are already familiar with...so that it allows me to smoothly transition into talking about what I like about short girls (that you can do a lot more positions with them - turning the conversation sexual) because we are talking about short people. Which will arouse HER because she is a short girl herself and will imagine herself getting fucked in the position I like. And then when she thinks about then tells me her favorite position (then tells me why she likes it), she will think back to her memories of getting fucked in that position, and because I’m there in front of her while she’s doing this, she will associate those feelings to me.

The second reason I list short guys as an option, is because of an old tactic I picked up from Gabriel Grey. Where you help her CONSCIOUSLY recognize that the kind of guy she goes for (95% of the time she will say she won’t go for someone shorter than her) is standing right in front of her.

You, I assume are lean and jacked. So I would instead, list skinny guys as options of guys she would never go for. So that she consciously recognizes that you’re the kind of guy she goes for, and then what is it you like about skinny girls (which she should be lol). And what you like about skinny girls should be something that turns her on too. (easy to lift them up, toss them around, flexible).

Asked about age gaps and used it to tell a sexual story with a kind of DHV about me banging a hot 30 year old when I was very young (true story lol).

Right idea. Bad execution. I assume this chick was 18ish, right? I would DHV about you banging a hot 30 year old, if you were young and gaming a milf. To this girl, I would instead talk about that time you banged that 17 year old (I think that was you?) to arouse this girl. Like girls are always thinking, “how does this relate to me and my situation?” (which is why I don’t talk about my love for banging short girls to tall girls lol).

Have her recognize that you're the kind of guy she goes for. And have everything you do, from a verbal game perspective, relate to the girl you're gaming for higher impact.

 

[greenleaf]

What did she respond with? And did you preempt this by listing examples of physical traits of guys (height, physique, race), she’d never go for

I did. Slight blur now, but I think I was like 'Would you ever bang a fat bald Indian dude'. She was like 'no'. I think I asked why and she looked at me like as if to say 'why would I!?'. She also didn't return it back to me and ask me what I like.

I'm not too bothered about that set though, tbh. Instincts tell me she was never into me in that way and that I was flogging a dead horse whilst she tried to buy her friend time with my wing.

However, with the set before that who invited us to the gaybar, I actually think I could have had a shot and that the hotter one wasn't necessarily a 'no girl', tbh. Like, I know she fancied my friend, but he was never gonna bang her, and i've actually banged girls before who wanted to bang him (after he left to go home and I kind of picked up the pieces as, even though she was super attracted to him, he'd now gone and she was somewhat attracted to me)

So that's the main interaction that's sticking in my head from that night.
The main issue was actually the super newbie issue of basically not really knowing what to say and running out of things to say etc. I don't know the reason and why it almost seems to come and go! I guess it's kind of based on 'state' to some extent?
I opened that set, and made some cold reads and asked her about herself (job, hobbies, how they know each other), a little DHV with some short stories etc when she asked me stuff (that's when they invited me to the gay bar).

But after that, i'd kind of ran out of things to say, tbh. My friend isn't much of a talker so he wasn't really helping the set!! Wasn't sure about whether to start ramping up the flirting with pushpull, disqualification stuff, 'premise' and 'sex talk' etc as I still didn't sense any attraction from her at that point (at least towards me! haha) and I was kind of left scanning my brain for ideas

This was all further amplified on the dancefloor (as I say, we all basically started dancing straight away after moving to the gay bar). I felt in limbo! I always find it weird to dance in silence, but I also don't really know what to talk about whilst dancing lol. And then once they both started hitting on my wing hard (he was just dancing lke I was and they started touching him and rubbing their ass on him etc), that's when I crashed pretty hard lol. (think I also got a quick blowout from some pretty girl dancing near me and that was my signal to get the fuck out of there and end my wingmans fun like a selfish mofo!)

In hindsight, I think I should have at least risked it and basically started trying to get more physical with the hotter one and sexually spike her in that way, despite her starring at my wing like he was a snowcone.

I know everyone goes though good and bad patches. At this second i'm feeling like I won't get laid again in quite some time and i'm thinking back to interactions I had and pulls in the past, and i'm thinking 'what the hell did I say to them? How did I do it?!!' as it almost feels like someone else! Hopefully i'll snap out of it soon!

If this virus is gonna hang around for a while and we're not allowed out, I might at least bingewatch a load of RSD infeilds or something. Might be coincidence but I think my most successful period was when I watched a tonne of infield. See if it can get my brain working again and give me more access to topics and lines and stuff

 

[Velasco]

but I think I was like 'Would you ever bang a fat bald Indian dude'. She was like 'no'. I think I asked why and she looked at me like as if to say 'why would I!?

Laughed out loud!

t I also don't really know what to talk about whilst dancing lol.

besides just singing the lyrics of the song that's playing, I don't really say much either. I just smile that her with a devilish grin. spin her around. bring her closer to you, push her away, put her hands on the back of my neck.

(notice, ZERO talking)

then when I get bored, I'll tell her some gibberish to make her go "what"? and then use that as an excuse to move her away from there.

Prolonged dancing isn't really part of my game. The last time I think I danced with a girl that I for longer than 3 minutes, that I ended up pulling was back in 2018. As I went on, the more powerful my verbal game became, the less time I wanted to spend dancing with girls.

At this second i'm feeling like I won't get laid again in quite some time and i'm thinking back to interactions I had and pulls in the past, and i'm thinking 'what the hell did I say to them? How did I do it?!!' as it almost feels like someone else! Hopefully i'll snap out of it soon!

Totally normal Everyone goes through these stretches where we begin to doubt ourselves

what i am talking about is the reality distortion that sometimes i experience and seen other guys as well go through it, when on downwards trend, usually this happens either after break of pick up, after break ups, after lose of rotation, after a bad pick up period (and yes it happens sometimes clubs go to shit, out of season, bf season, changes in algorithm online etc...)...

So you are like fuck am i that guy that slept with all those women, does the shit that i teach works? and you kind of go into self doubt and you are like am i a fraud? did i accomplish that or it was a dream? So you go into an identity crisis, because you are temporally not getting the results you were getting or because your heart is not longer in it... And then.... When you least expect it if you keep putting work boom, oh shit i am back.

Observations - The reality distortion

I always write with analogies, I think it make stuff more understandable.... So you have this guys that have accomplished everything in their field "Bill gates" "steve jobs" "jordan" etc.. etc... Some of them if they are frank they tell you, how depress they were after they accomplish their...

www.skilledseducer.com

Might be coincidence but I think my most successful period was when I watched a tonne of infield. See if it can get my brain working again and give me more access to topics and lines and stuff

Yeah shame youtube took down most channels with infields.

I recently discovered this one tho: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1GphHfTXBRMkZWjUzflSw

Only ones I like are by JP (whose style I've adopted)

Besides infields, there's also a great Lay Report written by A2DaMIR called, "LR: Amazing" that you can read for inspiration. I'll repost it in the field reports section in a bit, cause its that good. and I def consider it a must read.

 

[greenleaf]

Totally normal Everyone goes through these stretches where we begin to doubt ourselves

I'm glad it's normal as it plays with my mind a bit. I would LOVE to have all of my previous pulls video'd so that I could watch them back so I could see how MY game looks when i'm 'on', and how on earth I manged to keep up convo's for hours and how I began to show intent etc etc.

Might be coincidence but I think my most successful period was when I watched a tonne of infield. See if it can get my brain working again and give me more access to topics and lines and stuff

Yeah shame youtube took down most channels with infields.

Started watching some again earlier. Luckily I have about 500GB worth saved lol

Anyway, it reminded me of why I love watching them. I think that they kind of 'free' me from the shackles a bit when you see people NOT doing so much stuff that we're told to do. Recently, I think i've been VERY 'in my head' trying to remember to disqualify and push pull and cold read after I open, and then think of (or remember) the appropriate lines and they often don't really seem to 'land' or help and I go into a tail spin

But when you watch infields, they often don't seem to really use this stuff at all. So it clearly isn't necessary! And that feels like freedom. But then, what IS necessary? Are there certain 'outergame' verbal techniques that are a must? Even take something like heavily sexualisng the convo which seems to be the bulk of your game - the RSD guys barely seem to do that. In fact most don't, with the exception of ultimatemanproject guys. (ps, do you consider that attraction material, or more a way to escalate on an already attracted girl. e.g, would it help you bang a girl who wasn't at all attracted to you?)

Kind of makes me think 'game' is 99% about your 'vibe' (being free from anxiety and outcome etc) and also obviously that you are kind of her physical type. (That's when almost everything seems to work. Bit like how my wing last weekend done nothing at all and could have banged both them girls lol).
I guess the question is whether these verbal techniques can actually create attraction or whether they are more just ways to 'flirt'. And i'd guess most people would agree that flirting is a way to test whether she's into you rather than making her into you.

Back to infields, I LOVE infields where i feel i'm looking at a situation that I feel clearly identifies my various sticking points. (main ones are running out of things to say, and making it clearly man to woman with girls who don't seem at all interested)

I was watching a Julien one a while back. He was talking to some Canadian girls who were in the outside area of the bar and he was out on the street, but inches away from them, separated by a rope so basically in their gang. She was a young girl. He opened and just self amused and made up loads of bullshit and entertained the group. The set was going on for a while but she still hadn't really given him strong IOI's, and he hadn't really 'flirted', other than mainly concentrating on her the most and kept asking her things. The vibe with her just didn't seem 'on', though.

I remember thinking 'I've been here!! Julien looks like me here, trying to work out how to take this set somewhere as he's not even sure if she's into him, I think! I can't wait to see how he does it'.
In the end, he didn't really verbalise much at all and simply tried to get her to go somewhere with him. He ended up getting her number but her friends dragged her away. I was dissappointed when that infield ended as it was like lots of my interactions (hooked and stuff, teasing, laser eyes and sexual subcommunication, nothing that verbal, but she's still not showing her hand at all, or almost giving you mild IOD's!)

I wanted to see him make it more 'man to woman' with a girl who wasn't really playing ball (it's easy when they are ones when he opens a girl in a club and literally picks her up on the open and tells her he loves her and she's instantly flirting back hard etc. But my sets, partly due to environment, are more like that Canadian set)

In the same situation, Jeffy would surely have peppered in his statement of intent lines ('you look quite fetching tonight!' and then moving onto wanting to have her babies or something). Todd would have been like 'I think you're trouble. One part of me likes you and the other part hates you' but i'm not sure. Maybe they only do that when it's clear she's into them.

I could maybe have done that last week with the girls at the gay bar, but since it seemed clear they wanted my friend and not me, I'd have felt like an idiot saying that sort of stuff tbh.

Another infield I like is a Todd one from fairly recent. It actually ends in a slightly suspicious way where i'm pretty sure he lied about getting laid lol

But whatever, the infield was with a girl who didn't seem that into him, and for ages, he's using his pushpull lines, and passes her relentless shit tests etc but at no point does she actually look like she's into him despite his advanced game. In the end she leaves without saying goodbye, but Todd spots her as she's exiting and chases her down outside and scares her a bit when she realises he's next to her lol. Then he asks her if he can share a cab as he's going the same way and then it ends (i'd bet my house he didn't get with her but I think he wanted the footage of him getting in a cab with a girl)

That's another infield I can sort of relate too.

Anyway, when I think back to my most successful period, I was watching a lot of Max and Julien, so i'm gonna watch a tonne of their vids whilst i'm under self-isolation!!

 

[Velasco]

Recently, I think i've been VERY 'in my head' trying to remember to disqualify and push pull and cold read after I open, and then think of (or remember) the appropriate lines

when you watch infields, they often don't seem to really use this stuff at all.

Except that they do

Like, the moment the chick says or does something basic/stupid/ghey, they'll playfully disqualify them for it. That's just their automatic thing they do. Not something they have to remember to do.

Like in this infield

after the girl says, "I'm gucci" (ghey) JP automatically goes, "oh god ugghhh...you know never mind it was very nice meeting you i gotta go"

Later on he disqualifies her again, when he asks her to pick whatever she wants from Starbucks. and while she's thinking he goes, "dont say mocha frappuccino (basic bitch drink) i swear to god" and she bursts out laughing cause she was just about to say that.

As for cold reading and push/pulling, he does a really nice move where he combines them at 6:20

(first he sets the context to talk about his preferences, by asking her if she likes older guys or younger guys) "cause I've always, I don't know, my entire life, I've always had crushes on teachers and i've always liked older girls. i don't know why (Push). but you seem mature for your age (cold read) so i don't know we might be able to get along (Pull).

But then, what IS necessary? Are there certain 'outergame' verbal techniques that are a must? Even take something like heavily sexualisng the convo which seems to be the bulk of your game - the RSD guys barely seem to do that. In fact most don't, with the exception of ultimatemanproject guys. (ps, do you consider that attraction material, or more a way to escalate on an already attracted girl. e.g, would it help you bang a girl who wasn't at all attracted to you?)

Nothing's gonna work on a girl who isn't attracted to me. My game (or really anyone else's game) only works on girls who "aren't sure about me yet" at the start and girls who clearly like me the moment I open them. Sexualizing the conversation, just helps move the process move a lot faster than anything else out there. I don't if I would consider that "necessary", but that's it's purpose.

As for the lack of sexual shit in RSD's infields. My long standing belief was that they'd never upload those clips where they do go super sexual or say super fucked up shit (like racist/misogynist shit). The clips they'd upload to YouTube were all PG-13 watered down content for mass consumption. That's one part of me that thinks that way. Another part of me thinks, that RSD never really discovered the power of sex talk, and setting sexual frames. Like alot of new people in the community think ToddV's premise concept is a game changer. But really when you think about what it is (make the underlying frame of the interaction a man-to-woman one), its really just setting sexual frames. Which GirlChase has been talking about for years lol.

 

[greenleaf]

Except that they do

Like, the moment the chick says or does something basic/stupid/ghey, they'll playfully disqualify them for it. That's just their automatic thing they do. Not something they have to remember to do.

Exactly. I think the issue in part is trying to 'force' techniques. I used to see this with an old wing who was into mysterymethod (he quit game after maybe 2 years of zero results. He was a little Indian dude). He would crowbar in a neg and a disqualifier soon after the open as per the model, but it would always blow up in his face lol. Stuff like that needs to be reactionary and in the flow of the convo, and on an attracted girl. I also see this in some of Todd's students infields. Disqualifying themselves early and trying to set frames which she doesn't buy into at all, since she's not attracted

Anyway, this corona thing huh!!? Jeeez. Super depressing. Made no approaches in weeks now, and probably not for another 2 months or so.
Only brightside is that it's allowed be to literally forget all recent harsh rejections! haha. I literally can't remember any of the rejections that probably had me depressed a few weeks ago! Clean slate for the brain

 

[greenleaf]

Nice FR. Those dismissive reactions from women you get sound eerily similar to mine, especially in the presence of very good looking friends.

I had a friend/coworker who was (is) a super handsome dude (although at times he's confessed he's been jealous of my looks. ha ha ha). Broke up with his girlfriend of 6 years back in 2018- made a tinder and in two days had 100s of likes but complained that he didn't care about any of them. He hated coming out with us (he hated going out because before he was in a relationship and went out, he would always get groped and got sick of it). But the three or so times he did come out he complained that so many girls were ogling him but he didn't like any of them. Despite this, two of those times he had hooked up with a hot girl within 10 minutes of entering the venue - one of them he went home with after she invited him but didn't fuck because he didn't have a condom, the other one was crazy and got into a fight so he bailed on her and left. When I ran into her later she was stressing out trying to find him. He got into a relationship a few months after with another one of my cute friends/coworkers, but not before sleeping with another one of my coworkers who he also didn't care about but who loved him!

I try not to think about this when I go out night after night without getting anything, lol.

lol, I have some unreal stories from my wing in terms of hot girls throwing themselves at him. If I had the money, i'd get therapy to forget the memories!! haha