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Space Monkey
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So the modern dating community encourages reaching a point where guys don't depend on getting girls to feel good about themselves and that's great. It seems however that whenever I reach this point I seem to stop caring about girls in general. I am no longer really all that motivated to peruse any one to the end and end up aloof, but lonely. Eventually this loneliness pushes me back into neediness which kills my mood until I get my proverbial shit together again at which point the cycle repeats.

Now it would seem that whenever I am actually free to peruse the women I want rather than the women I "need" I realize that I actually don't want to peruse any of them! How weird is that!? Is it normal, or what? On the one hand sex is great if it happens to fall on my lap, no pun intended. On the other I feel absolutely no motivation to close or persue any romantic interests. Are my testosterone levels messed up? Is there something wrong with my health? What's going on here? Am I asexual for fuck's sake or am I just lazy?
 
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Drck

Cro-Magnon Man
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IMO, it is all dependent on maturity of that particular guy. Many guys tent to cling to women; they are still too nice and carrying. Motivation of normal guy is mostly to nail several great looking females, then settle down and have stable long term relationship, take care of kids and family… So logically, most guys present as providers, guys who care, protect and provide…

But this approach doesn’t work for many. He wants to take care of that nice-cute-silly-sexy-innocent girl, and you get mostly rejected and hurt, not even having a clue why… What is wrong with me? he is asking, and there are no answers because everybody sees him as a great guy... Girls call him great guy too, they have lots of fun with him, they like him and they want him to be around - except they don’t want to sleep with him… “There definitely must be something wrong with me”, is his logical outcome…

So he starts looking around for help and explanation, and finds some PUA/seduction materials. And it is all great; it finally makes sense to normal logical guy. By learning and applying the material he starts realizing that the more he act like an asshole or some sort of Alpha, perhaps even ignorant careless loser, the higher chances he has with girls, meaning the less he cares and provides the more attractive he appears and the more they want to have sex with him… He then realizes that that nice-cute-silly-sexy-innocent girl prefers to have sex with those “bad guys”, and only when she is ready to settle down she gives some chance to that great Nice Guy…

It is all backwards, it is all against everything he knows; it is all against logic... It makes no sense… So he flips everything around 180 degrees because now he thinks that he has to stand on his head so he can see the world in normal view… He now realizes that the nature of women is not what he thought it is; now he perceives that nice-cute-silly-sexy-innocent girl as quite slutty. And in some cases he might even get pissed, depressed, perhaps even start hating women… He was fooled so long by society, and it is not easy to see it differently especially if everyone else keeps claiming the same old, same old - be Nice, they are telling him, be a Good Boy...

But this 180 degree reverse is not correct either, that is also distorted perception. She is just a girl, just a normal woman. She likes guys and she likes sex. Why wouldn’t she? She wants the experience like everyone else and, of course, she doesn’t want to be viewed as slut… Why would she want that?

So what’s the solution? In my opinion, if the guy wants to get ahead he can’t remain that Nice-clingy Guy who chases women. Don’t make me wrong, chasing IS exciting, unfortunately sooner or later there comes the realization that it doesn’t really work. Not unless she is ready to settle down and even then she is very careful... So yes, seduction, aloofness and so on is quite boring, but it works…

Once he realizes this - some call it Red Pill vs Blue Pill - there is really no way back. He takes the Red Pill and now he sees the world in totally different light... He can’t love women the same way like before because now everything is quite different. No longer he is clueless, now he understands more... It may be sad, it might make him lonely, it is maybe depressing; he may lose motivation and so on… He may want to go back, but there is no way. He already took the Red Pill, there is no way back…

But it is only temporal. After some while, the mind will accept this new reality. He will become more mature, more self-sufficient and less clingy to girls. If he is smart he will start working on himself – get his life together, exercise, lift weights to get strong and pump testosterone; work on education or business, do things for himself… He will build some reasonable level of narcissism, meaning that he has to really like himself and respect himself, otherwise no one else including woman will …

He will become more independent and dominant, more mature… He will go after what he wants with no remorse, disregarding what others say… Maybe he will not become Alpha, but definitely he will no longer be that clingy and insecure Nice Beta Guy... which is all very attractive to females…

And now, it becomes different kind of relationships with women; the roles kind of reverse. He may find out that many girls are actually chasing him and he doesn’t really have to work so hard on seduction. If at all. Why not? Because now he is much closer to the prototype of The Man… The Man who is not afraid to walk alone and be alone; The Man who doesn’t collapse under weight of loneliness, yet always remains quite happy, quite interested in women... Most adult men can’t do it, they can’t even stand that idea of walking their own way; they simply always need to follow someone else…

So no, it is not weird and it is not abnormal. It’s just different… I guess it all comes down to finding your balls to live your life the way you wanted and not the way they say... You bit into the Red Pill bro, and don't like the initial taste... But don't worry, it will all go away...
 

Richard

Tribal Elder
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Outcome Independence means not gauging your success with women based on outcomes - if you only say you're succeeding when you sleep with a woman then you're dependent. If you only feel like you're good with women when you number close then you're dependent.

Outcome Independence basically means feeling confident in yourself through adversity with women - it's focusing on yourself as a sexy man, instead of only seeing yourself as a sexy man when you are getting results.

Furthermore - women should really only be a hobby instead of a lifestyle. I no longer focus hoards of time on picking up women - I'm just a pool playing psych student who happens to meet chicks from time to time: that's all. If I talk to a chick and we don't click and there is no chemistry, or if she flat out rejects me then so be it - I'm still just a pool playing psych student.

Get it?

-Richard
 
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