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Over The Shoulder

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Over the shoulder should be added as a must in any seduction and body language fundamentals you incorporate into your daily life. The amount of times I have successfully opened girls with it are countless. It's something in the manner you present yourself to a girl that speaks of someone who will "take her or leave her" and who might never be seen again if she doesn't retain your attention. Mystery, the PUA, is credited to coming up with this gambit and it works but it's not discussed much anymore on seduction forums. A grave mistake since it obviously works if executed correctly. In my journal I mention I opened a decent looking married woman over the shoulder with an indirect opener. I was gauging her interest through my peripheral vision and saw her whole body pointing at me, I was facing away from her, engaging her in conversation with a one liner I came up lazily on the spot. Nothing special. All textbook. But if it was the other way around and I faced her like I would an opponent, what thoughts would cross her mind? Something like," Oh shit, what does this guy want? My number? Money? Sell me something? Great! Another lame come on from a guy who "doesn't get it"

You have become like every other man hitting on her in the same manner and using the same body language a weaker man would use in your position. Spice it up and flip the tables on her by looking more dominant and powerful and open your target over the shoulder. Your body halfway facing her and halfway leaning towards somewhere else, as if you got better things to do than hearing the same boring schtick from a woman who amuses you but whose affections you can live without. Take it a step further as I did in that approach and do not look at her until you coolly have addressed your target and proceed to give her a sexy smirk to increase the sexual tension between you two, as two secret lovers who have met for a night of passion would smile. Dressing sharp only increases the allure of this gambit as the target will be swayed by your mysterious presence and unflustered demeanor. This move needs to be calibrated by the user until he is comfortable approaching a woman from a position of authority, as if she is beneath him. Not for someone who is afraid of rocking the boat by ignoring the whines and pleas and submitting to her caprices. Will this way of opening women always work? No, but it's something very useful in your arsenal of seduction, especially against hard or icy targets. Bring them down to earth with indifference. Let them vie for your attention first, then subtlety express your own with calculated affection and warmth. Make them thaw your icy core of masculine aloofness...
 
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Chase

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Over the shoulder's a great technique, especially when properly calibrated.

There are some girls you want to go direct with and actually lean into; there are other girls you want to open completely over the shoulder, where the only thing turned toward them is your head and even then you're almost straining a bit to do it. It's very important to adjust your stance accordingly from there depending on how much she invests.

Beginners will make the mistake of giving a girl more of their bodies because she's flirting, but you don't want to do this - you want to make sure it's as she invests in your, not simply because she's a good flirt.

Being able to differentiate from the girls who are shy because they like you and the ones who are aloof because they're posing and posturing is an important skill set to develop. That's because the girls who are shy and like you, you want to reward with even MORE attention and leaning in and smiling mischievously, while the girls who are acting aloof or high and mighty you want to respond cooler to yourself in turn. If you're not properly differentiating these, you can end up giving the cold shoulder to girls who like you but you thought were trying to act aloof (or you may find yourself leaning in with women who are leaning back and being aloof, placing you hard into the role of pursuer - a role that can work, and there are women who really respond to an aggressive, assertive pursuer, but it takes a lot more finesse and often very strong fundamentals to pull off properly).

If you want an easy metric for this, walk in and open over the shoulder, then ask for some compliance. If she complies and invests in you, turn your body a bit more toward her. The more investment she gives, the more of your body she gets, and the more you lean in rather than lean back, to charge the air and create the mutual sense of the two of you getting closer and closer together.

Then, if she starts withdrawing her investment and energy, you do the same with your body - this is more a preventative measure to keep you from looking like you're chasing as she pulls away, which will sink you 9 times out of 10 if you do it.

Chase
 
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