"Overt" pull versus "sneaky" pull

[Winston]

I am back from a date which went very well but where I totally butchered the pull. I probably lost the lay just because I fucked up the pull.

It makes me angry, but also it makes me think about pulling and I think I have spotted a big problem with my process.

I have just talk with a more experienced friend about his way too pull, he told me that he just says "let's go get a drink at my place" at the end of the date.

But I know other guys that tend to be more "sneaky". For example they say, "let's go somewhere where there is a nice view", or "let's go somewhere where we could listen cool music" and they bring the girl at her place without telling it overtly to the girl, because that place with the nice view/music is their place.

So what I call "overt pull" is telling the girl that the plan is to go at our place, and what I call "sneaky pull" is not telling the girl that the plan is to go at our place, while leading her there.

I was following mostly the sneaky way until now, but I think this is a big mistake and that I should go for a more straightforward path as of now because each time I haven't been straightforward the pull went nowhere.

What do you guys think about that? Does it make a real difference or I am just overthink it?

 

[foggy]

good question.

in the past what i did is overt... invite the girl straight back to my place from the date location, my idea.

lately while ive been in peru, ive been going more of the "sneaky" route.

i make sure to have great logistics and stay near popular parks/plazas. i approach/meet the girl at the popular place. i bounce her around to a couple different places nearby. when she's ready and given me all the signs it's ok to pull, i say "lets head back towards where we met." and when we get close to where we originally met, a common pattern is she starts to wonder what she's gonna do the rest of the night. then it's a natural transition into asking her to come over. ie hey i got drinks at my place lets go

i view the sneaky pull as delaying the ask as much as possible and waiting for her to bring it up...requires certain circumstances

 

[Skills]

sneaky pull is a waste of time and you will lower your odds and probably won't get laid, if people teaching that good for them... It is a waste of time...

you need to get to the point were she wants to have sex, once is a go, that she actually enjoy your company, and you did things correctly you pull under "pausible deniability" in other words you find a way to say lets go home to fuck indirectly.... I used lets go home for the after party, some seducers lets cont. drinking at home (like your friend), some lets smoke weed or coke, or I got a show you art (top cat, bachaus do things like this), or "lets get out of here" and just lead without having to say anything, or "follow me" for example i usually pull saying "following me" or "lets go to the afterparty" but after she knows she knows she is coming home for sex...

 

[TomInHo]

I don't think you should be sneaky when your pull. I used to that in college and it backfired a lot and made me look weak to the girl

It's better to get the girl ready to have sex on the date then lead her back home at a high point using plausible deniability. Because if she is horny and you seem like a guy that could give her a release, almost anything will work.

I've asked girls to come back home using the following excuses

- Lets go watch a movie at my place
- Let's go play a game of twister at my place
- Lets go smoke weed at my place
- Let's go to my place so I can show you my favorite books
- Let's go get some ice cream in my place
- Lets' got listen to some music at my place
- This place is too crowded let's got my place so we can talk more and relax
- This place is too hot, let's go to my place to enjoy some AC

The point is you want to give her a logical excuse to go home with you so she can say that it just happened, and that is sneaky enough

 

[Winston]

you need to get to the point were she wants to have sex, once is a go, that she actually enjoy your company, and you did things correctly you pull under "pausible deniability" in other words you find a way to say lets go home to fuck indirectly....

Yeah now that I am remembering, every time I talk about my place with plausible deniability, this either:
1) works
2) or least the girl gives me valuable information that she is not comfortable/she cannot for scheduling reason (which means they perfectly understand what is at play)

And in that latter case, I have valuable information that either:
i) I need to do a second date
ii) I should have done a better job with the date and I can improve myself by thinking what I could have done differently

Also when I overtly talk about my place, but the girl is somewhat reluctant to say yes, and I "push" her to accept by leading strongly or by taking a sneaky way, I got LMR and I lost definitively the girl (thus not being able to do a 2nd date).

It's important indeed to not be too much overt by saying "let's go fuck at my place" to not make her feel like a slut, but any reason with plausible deniability will do the job, and being overt about where we are going makes it easier to have sex at the sex location.