Past Female "Friends"/Group

[Pato]

Hey guys, I was wondering how you would go about about interacting with girls you already know, but who did not necessarily find me attractive or a sexual prospect. Basically I hadn't really implemented any of the advice from the articles or the forums yet (as I had not discovered it when I was hanging with these girls), and I was wondering if I could change those girls' minds, or if their opinion of me is going to be too difficult to change.
I used to hang out with a group of girls and some of my friends, but last year I drifted away and stopped hanging with them (the girls, I still have most of the same guy friends). I generated a bit of interest (but never really capitalized), but I probably ended up being friend-zoned by some of them. Since then I have changed a lot, so do you think it would be worth it to possibly return to that group (while still meeting and talking to new girls), or at least start talking to some of the girls and get them interested? (I don't think the transition would be too hard because I still have friends that do hang with them.) If so, how different would it be from talking to girls that I have just met? Thinking back, I just realized that I know very little about most of these girls, so I could definitely do stuff like deep-diving a lot. Should I kind of run the interactions similarly to how an interaction would go with someone I am just meeting but skipping a couple steps, or should I do something completely different than that to generate interest?
Would you guys suggest that I attempt to move back into that group but this time as a more attractive, sexual guy (while still doing other stuff outside the group) or would it almost be a waste of time seeing as they already have an image of me in their mind and it might be too hard to change? Let me know what you guys think.
-Pato

 

[PrettyDecent]

Hey Pato,

It's definitely possible. Though, depending on how long you've known them, how they felt about you before you "drifted off", and how much you've actually improved fundamentals since then, you're results are going to vary. Also, how bad are they in need of friends now? If they are content with their life sexually, then you're banished to the friend zone, again. Preselection would help your cause, too..

I mean, your results depend entirely upon specific details I personally don't know, but...this is a good goal. It'll challenge you to work on your fundamentals efficiently if its something you want bad enough. You've got to completely revamp yourself to pull this off...and that's good. You need tough, but achievable, goals to become better at seduction.

Just realize that your goal is most achievable by working on your skills with other women first.

Jake

 

[Pato]

Thanks Jake. I'll keep working on improving myself and my skills with other women before trying to get back with the group. As for their friend/sexual needs, I can't be too sure about it either way because I haven't really talked to some of them too much since then, basically just short interactions (seeing them in hallways, library, etc). Most of them liked me before and we were pretty good friends, but I was a little bit shy back then. I'll just have to keep working and see what happens. I'm just trying to think of some ways to get to some of their parties/gatherings, because I know the guys in the group won't really help me out there (even though some are my friends) so I guess I'll just have to play it right. Any suggestions on how to get to some high school parties?

 

[PrettyDecent]

Heya Pato,

Good idea on the parties, you'll probably get your best chance for hookimg up there. As far as high school parties go...I wasn't part of that social group in high school. But, I'll try and help anyway:

- You need to provide value: Whether that be a hookup you know for cheap drinks, or a place for parties to be, there needs to be some reason for the guys to talk to you. It's good that your already friends with some of them: you have an inherent buy-in for good ideas.

- Manage your reputation: This one will make or break it in high school. "Cool" kids get too much of a value hit for hanging around the socially unsavvy and unwanted...but they'll gladly accept you if you have social status as high or higher than theirs. This will also improve naturally via fundamentals.

- Exist independently in the social heirarchy: This is more long-term oriented, but don't change your fashion, interests, or attitudes for any single group. You can move freely between different social stratas without the drama of "leaving the group".

The first point is probably the most practical for someone later in their high school years, but keeping the other two points in mind may prove handy.

Jake