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Perfect posture: can it make you try hard? -video inside-

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfY3gM3sGnI

He doesn't hold his head high, his chin is most of times not high/parallel to the ground and his chest is not puffed out/pulled high.

He looks comfortably natural and that's one of the things that feels great about him.
Of course he's an exception as he's not just comfortable in his own skin: he's tall, well built, very handsome... A perfect hunk.

However, that was just an example to a general situation of awkwardness I sometimes have about having a "perfect" upright position.

The vast majority doesn't have a perfect posture, so having one makes you stick out, and not always in a positive way.

I feel at times that it's a bit like wearing a suit where most around you are casual -another mistake I've done in the past-, as it makes you look like you're trying hard.
 

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Cool video. Most importantly he has a simple process and keeps moving forward, but what I noticed first is that his voice is absolutely marvelous. This is definitely something you can work on. Note how it is assertive and powerful, and not in the least pliant or accommodating.
 

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Marty said:
Cool video. Most importantly he has a simple process and keeps moving forward, but what I noticed first is that his voice is absolutely marvelous. This is definitely something you can work on. Note how it is assertive and powerful, and not in the least pliant or accommodating.

Yeah definitely about his voice!
It's part of his "nonchalant"/"who cares" attitude and he might even look weird if he'd be standing there tall and straight. Not sure if the sound is enhanced post-video but he scores top high in pretty much everything.

On a personal level I don't think I could even emulate that though as I'm short, very slim fit, started going bald way too soon and wear glasses most of the times :), would be a bit incongruent.
 

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Back on the topic of perfect posture, has anyone felt the same?

To me it's a bit like dressing well, if you overdo it (say: you overdo it in the classy way and wear suit and tie where the next best dressed one has a blazer and jeans) you are cutting yourself out of the crowd and you risk being the guy that tries too hard looking good.
 

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Lucifer, where do you find this stuff? :)

I agree with the fellow's opinion on openers. Also, the way he delivers it—the tonality, to be precise—is beyond impressive. His voice and intonation are actually quite similar to Chase's, if you've heard that on the podcast or elsewhere.

Even if you have a naturally low, gravelly voice, it is easy to sound too eager-to-please if you have the wrong attitude—of course, I'm speaking from personal experience here ;)

Also I just watched it again, if you listen carefully it sounds like the girl says "You're NOT coming home with me" around 1:08... confusing as he does go home with her. Maybe the actress flubbed her lines.

Anyway, apart from that I loved the video—thanks for posting!

-Marty
 

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There is a correlation between posture and serotonin levels. Individuals with higher levels of serotonin have a more upright posture, are happier and more carefree, while individuals with lower serotonin levels may have a hunched posture, grim expression, and this overall atmosphere of "nothing exciting or amazing is going on in my life."

In my opinion, Ashton's posture was superb throughout the whole video and I viewed him as being completely natural. The trick is not to be too rigid; presenting an image or perception of naturality rather than controlled effort, which goes against the Law of Least effort. In addition, a posture, or any characteristic and trait, unlike that of your other contemporaries will set you apart due to its distinctiveness.

I've tested and observed the type of treatment, indirect and direct, that is received when one holds sloppy or normal posture versus that of a more proper, upper class, happier, or "try hard" posture.
Observations and Analysis without proper posture:
1. People do not move out of the way for you on the sidewalk or in a hall
2. Girls don't really pay attention to you, possibly because of blending in with the crowd or instant judgement of being lower value or not having your life together or having befallen some unfortunate turn of events
3. Conversations were the same, possibly due to my clothing and vocabulary
4. People don't really pay attention to you in a room full of people/crowd

Observations with proper posture:
1. People will move out of the way for you in tight spaces, like sidewalks, as if you are some important figure
2. Girls will go out of their way to get you to notice them
3. People will work to qualify themselves to you in conversation
4. An air of "higher" value is credited to you despite full knowledge of who you really are

As Chase mentioned in a post regarding posture:
don't let your thighs touch as you walk. It'll feel a little awkward at first, as though you're pushing your legs out of their sockets in your hips (you're not though), but you'll adapt to it quickly. A week or two of feeling funny while you walk... for a lifetime of looking sexy as hell. I think that's a fair trade.
Give yourself time to let this become a natural thing for you. I remember back in high school when I was working on having confident posture and walk, doing so felt extremely unnatural at first, finding myself switching back and forth between slumped and low shoulders to "keep your back straight, gut in, shoulders rolled back, chest out, and chin parallel to the ground." But here I am now at my age thinking, "anything but great posture just feels unnatural."

So to you I say, stick with developing a habit of keeping great posture. At first it will feel uncomfortable and you may even need to tweak some things as you realize that you may, in fact, behaving in an unnatural manner, but the beauty of trying new things and improving ourselves is that we eventually grow into an evolved version of ourselves and will be able to look back and laugh at how we used to think and be.

The video was great. Ashton really hits the nail on the head when he says one should never show that you're impressed. I'm still growing into this and I have observed, in multiple individuals, how one's treatment changes from when they were initially mysterious and uninvolved with the environment and individuals around them to being slightly more understood and more involved. I've figured that it's best to reveal as little as possible, while receiving maximum returns. It is much more efficient however, one must deal with being much more detached, something that I wasn't dealing well with two to three weeks ago. As a result, my lesson has been learnt and I am glad to have experienced it. Although somewhat irrelevant to the topic, I wanted to provide this here as a forewarning to all of you here and those who may read it in the near future.

Take care,
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the lads posture at all. Seems good to me.
 

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I think when you first start out things will be tryhard.

After observing people, I've also learned that most people generally focus on most fundamentals and not the complete package. You'll see some guys that have terrible posture, but have amazing clothes, slow sensual movements, and strong eye contact. Then, you may have someone with great posture, slow movements, and strong eye contact, but terrible clothes.

In this video, I think his posture is fine. But, even if it's terrible, he has enough other fundamentals to net him high. Great clothes; Marty already mentioned voice; eye contact; slow-medium movements; and confidence.

It's also situational. The place is kind of dark and moody. With the relaxed posture, it comes off as more mysterious and alluring. While in a fancier bar with more lighting, he'd come off as slightly creepy/out-of-place (especially with those clothes).

Lastly, I also wanted to mention status, which isn't apparent in this video. If you see interviews with elite athletes, a lot of them have pretty poor posture and really only have great posture when performing. If you go to a bar and have a lot of pre-selection, you can have bad posture, or if you have high status (actor, athlete), it can actually be better because it makes you more relateable (like bringing yourself "down to their level").
 
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TheWiseFool said:
There is a correlation between posture and serotonin levels. Individuals with higher levels of serotonin have a more upright posture, are happier and more carefree, while individuals with lower serotonin levels may have a hunched posture, grim expression, and this overall atmosphere of "nothing exciting or amazing is going on in my life."

In my opinion, Ashton's posture was superb throughout the whole video and I viewed him as being completely natural. The trick is not to be too rigid; presenting an image or perception of naturality rather than controlled effort, which goes against the Law of Least effort. In addition, a posture, or any characteristic and trait, unlike that of your other contemporaries will set you apart due to its distinctiveness.

I've tested and observed the type of treatment, indirect and direct, that is received when one holds sloppy or normal posture versus that of a more proper, upper class, happier, or "try hard" posture.
Observations and Analysis without proper posture:
1. People do not move out of the way for you on the sidewalk or in a hall
2. Girls don't really pay attention to you, possibly because of blending in with the crowd or instant judgement of being lower value or not having your life together or having befallen some unfortunate turn of events
3. Conversations were the same, possibly due to my clothing and vocabulary
4. People don't really pay attention to you in a room full of people/crowd

Observations with proper posture:
1. People will move out of the way for you in tight spaces, like sidewalks, as if you are some important figure
2. Girls will go out of their way to get you to notice them
3. People will work to qualify themselves to you in conversation
4. An air of "higher" value is credited to you despite full knowledge of who you really are

As Chase mentioned in a post regarding posture:
don't let your thighs touch as you walk. It'll feel a little awkward at first, as though you're pushing your legs out of their sockets in your hips (you're not though), but you'll adapt to it quickly. A week or two of feeling funny while you walk... for a lifetime of looking sexy as hell. I think that's a fair trade.
Give yourself time to let this become a natural thing for you. I remember back in high school when I was working on having confident posture and walk, doing so felt extremely unnatural at first, finding myself switching back and forth between slumped and low shoulders to "keep your back straight, gut in, shoulders rolled back, chest out, and chin parallel to the ground." But here I am now at my age thinking, "anything but great posture just feels unnatural."

So to you I say, stick with developing a habit of keeping great posture. At first it will feel uncomfortable and you may even need to tweak some things as you realize that you may, in fact, behaving in an unnatural manner, but the beauty of trying new things and improving ourselves is that we eventually grow into an evolved version of ourselves and will be able to look back and laugh at how we used to think and be.

The video was great. Ashton really hits the nail on the head when he says one should never show that you're impressed. I'm still growing into this and I have observed, in multiple individuals, how one's treatment changes from when they were initially mysterious and uninvolved with the environment and individuals around them to being slightly more understood and more involved. I've figured that it's best to reveal as little as possible, while receiving maximum returns. It is much more efficient however, one must deal with being much more detached, something that I wasn't dealing well with two to three weeks ago. As a result, my lesson has been learnt and I am glad to have experienced it. Although somewhat irrelevant to the topic, I wanted to provide this here as a forewarning to all of you here and those who may read it in the near future.

Take care,

True about the "moving out of the way", but that's no proof of being "positive" (people move out of the way of knife-scarred faces or of body builders with that aggressive looking, gorilla way of moving).

Actually, that can be one of the draw back at times, if not completely natural it also feels like you feel snotty and superior and a also a bit confrontational, like in male models catwalks'.
Sometimes can be OK, but you might not want to strut around the office like that where you should have a more "collaborative" way of presenting yourself.

I tend to agree with you on the getting used part though, as it becomes more natural a bit of the "confrontational" edge should come off.

About the "not being impressed", definitely it can be very effective. I would add also that you tend to become a bit like you behave, and being always detached from life puts you a bit in a grey world void of feelings. And being able to ride and enjoy emotional feelings can make for a more fulfilling life. So yes at times, but I wouldn't want to have that kind of attitude always on.
 

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PinotNoir said:
Lastly, I also wanted to mention status, which isn't apparent in this video. If you see interviews with elite athletes, a lot of them have pretty poor posture and really only have great posture when performing. If you go to a bar and have a lot of pre-selection, you can have bad posture, or if you have high status (actor, athlete), it can actually be better because it makes you more relateable (like bringing yourself "down to their level").

Exactly, there are times when you might not want to be the sore thumb standing and walking like a male model.

As I was mentioning the "perfect posture" can make you look, and feel, like you're superior and don't really belong or wanna mingle with the people around (Interestingly, when trying to adopt proper posture I find it harder to smile and look friendly and find it easier to adopt a "I'm the man" expression).
And I was wondering if in many normal life situation, ie. while walking to the water cooler with a colleague, the chest up and out, chin parallel might actually be better avoided.
 
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