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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Soo I thought I will post this FR, because I was able to persist and get a girl to come on date with me while she wanted to spend the night solo or with her friends.

I think I would have gotten the lay as well if logistics were clear but that I will write in the end

Matched on friday

Opened with skills opener glad we matched

Checked with how her day is going.

(I prefer to meet on the day of match itself)

She asked about mine

said it will end with fun and chaos

she asked about chaos - good sign

I told her I will bring the fun … chaos she will add.

Then she said well she is indeed chaotically or I asked and then she said.

(Anyways she qualified to me)

then I ask how much in mood she is to be chaotic today

she said -1
(Its not personal always seek objection

I ask why

She is going on trek

I make few jokes about being corporate and then drop the convo

Reason we can’t meet no point over texting her

I will resume the convo when she is back.

Once she is back from trek

I make a light tease about physical activity but soften it with adding gym and workout

I have learned on dating apps arousal needs to be build if she bites a bit or it can lead to quick unmatch because of sounding too needy or girls know most guys want quick hook up

She builds on it by saying endorphins are good

I add so are oxytocins

Then say just kidding

And ask her about her trek

She replies goooooooood -> again a positive sign she is trying to communicate energy over text

Then she I just say it as it is
And make statement about trekking being her best hobby except talking to me (crude chase frame)

(I sent her this text at 2:30 am in night)

(When I meet her I was to learn I was about to be unmatched, you can trigger auto-rejection just by being too late to reply as well)

Today

I then say its your fault that you come in my mind at odd hours

Then a bit back and forth about

how she should not pry my mind

Then I ask what is she upto

She said work and sleep

-> green signal for me nothing planned

If I make the convo interesting we can get out

-> logistics sorted so we start the name guessing game

-> I have this standard routine to get the name right to grab drinks thing

( then branch off from there, alcohol, her name choices etc)

She is not able to guess my name but says her patience is running low

sooo I tell her my name and check why is it low

she says work

I say should not let the day end like this

then I ask her what she like to do

her dream is to drink and smoke up every day etc

Then I ask her how she wants to end the day

she says name of a bar famous here

Then I say time to make her dream come true

she is like how

then I do a few more baby steps to
(I was not in mood to rush, it was a good call you will see later)

We go to bar

she I have work

I said after work

she hmm

then I ask what time does she think is best

she says let’s do weekend

I am too dead for today

Objection now rest of my chat was spent on overcoming this objection

which I overcame by using open loops a bit of role play and making her invest over text by asking her to bring things for me.

She was adamant that she is looking dead so she cant meet me

I first turned the convo towards she calling me shallow and I am being offended by it

Added some banter to it

she wanted to go for drinks alone or with her friends


So then I switched the date plan from drinking to meet at the beach

this uses

Emotionally rich language

here is the text

Well I was just gonna we can actually skip the drink … sit besides sea … light some cigarettes … maybe speak or just hear sound of ocean

Still she was making plans

so this time I give her space

then she herself says

if I really want to meet her

I say I wanted to - still play slow and chill

Then finally I let her pick a beach near her place

she tells me she will come in pjs I am fine with it

she had nice tits anyways

now a bit more back and forth

and we exchange numbers

Now the date

she was really in Pjs I was shocked - not getting the lay cause any girl who wants it comes dressed to 9s

But then I learn she lives with her parents need to go back in an hour

I change my strategy to leaving at high point and enjoy my time

we walk and talk, I maintain same teasing and flirty persona I did on text

she eats up what I say

she don’t want to sit in dark now but I was asking for it in considering we had 1 hour or so

Eventually we do end up sitting close

we both write poems so show each other that, she bring talk about anime etc

then as she was reading my poem, I let my hand linger over her thigh she don’t removes it comfy

now suddenly we talking about sex she is shy and laughing so I know things are going right about it

I learn she has not slept with anyone from past 1.5 years

she even calls me being coy when I touch but don’t move things forward I don’t see a point it cause I can’t escalate anyways (was kicked out of a club and in public place there is always a risk that cops might beat u up, India)

so I keep teasing her and continue the finally date ends.

Date itself involved a lot of push pull which I like

- she said that guy is attractive I grab her hand and tell let me get his digit for you

- she did it cause she was butthurt from me being a tease

- touching her physically but saying otherwise verbally

Finally once she goes home she text me

That texting was good indicating future meet and solidifying her interest in me

But in the end I overgamed her over the text after date so now lets see.

Here are few last texts

Me: I wish the night was longer
She: same

me: Well but we will have more nights like this

she: one can hope

-> I should have stopped at this point

but my damn overdoing personality

Me: so you are hoping

-> no reply to this, she saw my message blue tick

-> I wait for 5 mins

-> then me : If you are that is two of us
(I send this so not to put her auto rejection but gave away my interest in massive way now)
No reply again, blue tick

-> ok sleep now good night
(Blue tick, no reply)

so I know I over did it

p.s. when the convo went sexual there were a lot of thing I like saying I am virgin she saying its her fantasy to teach a virgin etc

cuddling with male roommates, being bi and all

lot of it started by her whenever a women does it … its the biggest sign she is verbalising her arousal and her comfort of being aroused with you
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Converted this to FR++ had blowjob and eat her pussy. sex was about to happen but there was lack of time.

My leading skills are superb and she was shocked per say that we are doing this and had a very bad LMR, overcame that LMR once by arousal but she became anxious after so I stopped otherwise this was lay.
 

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Tribal Elder
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Converted this to FR++ had blowjob and eat her pussy. sex was about to happen but there was lack of time.

My leading skills are superb and she was shocked per say that we are doing this and had a very bad LMR, overcame that LMR once by arousal but she became anxious after so I stopped otherwise this was lay.
no they are not, there was not need to keep working on negative compliance, there is not need to keep pushing and pushing for a meet, you keep pinging, and soft closing, till she is ready and wanting to meet...while you work other leads....
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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no they are not, there was not need to keep working on negative compliance, there is not need to keep pushing and pushing for a meet, you keep pinging, and soft closing, till she is ready and wanting to meet...while you work other leads....
Yeah but it was done in a way to tease a response out of her.

She was on fence to meet me or not.

I just simulated her desire and made it easy.

Have done this before where girl is in half mood and half not better to push for that day.. what if she lose interest or something in her life comes or what if I myself get busy.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Tribal Elder
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Yeah but it was done in a way to tease a response out of her.

She was on fence to meet me or not.

I just simulated her desire and made it easy.

Have done this before where girl is in half mood and half not better to push for that day.. what if she lose interest or something in her life comes or what if I myself get busy.

again, i don't like that strategy, cause you are working in a negative compliance and put you in a down position, and it makes women at times double down.... you can persist in a different way, by engaging and re using soft closes.... vs working on negative compliance..
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I thought I will just document how I pulled her.

did not want to do it initially cause of certain negative experience on her part but still makes sense to do it so I know how to do things right next time.

Next day her text came in the morning that she crashed in bed.

(Something I was afraid of but I ran the date well)

Now the 2nd meet

first meet Wednesday.

Thursday her text, I just liked her message and no reply to her.

till night.

coz I was busy with another girl :p

then I send her a beautiful pic of sky

she sends me a pic of her outing and ask where I am

She was drinking… so I act fake sad

she says we can drink together too

We banter a bit and I seed an activity to watch something together

she objects me being touchy

I said u enjoyed

she says never gave consent to it (here I thought she was being sarcastic and push and pull but ohh boy I was wrong, will learn this later)



but I don’t reply anything to her and text her good morning next day

Very enthu reply

friday

Now at night I send her u can tie my hands (as in if you don’t like me touchy)

but she decides to banter with me being sub

now I seed another pull with me having J
she says she wants some too
I say maybe if she is lucky then next day

Now we banter a bit

then I’m a little high

so I tell her not to text now cause I might say something stupid

(A play, I wanted to talk romantically with an out if I seem too cheesy)

well she plays along

-> she was celibate for a long time and her desperation was leeking over texts

I end this convo on a sweet note

Saturday

I check her schedule

she seems busy

Yet I seed a fun activity

Then check her schedule again and now she is free and agrees to meet me

soo plan was to meet outside but I had some work so I pull her and she agrees

I let her get comfortable at home

then we talk freely

Now since we were alone and she freely talks about sex and give me doe eyes I think its time to escalate the kiss

but ohh boy I was wrong

i try to touch her chin but she gets furious… knowing that I intend to kiss her

she asks me about consent - ( Yeah there was lack of comfort and connection on her part and she never thought if we are inside I might escalate)

now she says she is leaving

I ask her to wait for five minutes and let me and her process things then she can leave

I ask her what happened why is she so angry we have not done anything and its not a big deal if you don’t feel the same

then after a back and forth her real concern comes out that she wants sex but don’t want to seem easy

and she was not expecting it

tbh there was lack of build up in things as well on my part

but I turn around the situation

by making her open up more and teasing her and arousing her

because despite her verbal anger and everything her body wanted me and I could read it well

so I tell her you have said something which has turned me off

and I have sex regularly so you can leave we live in different world

here me being calm, non-needy worked

she was more aroused and finally gave in

we had oral sex but at penetration her mind again flipped though she wanting me to do it but feeling shame

i cuddle and then drop her

there was a situation in apartment otherwise I would have laid her as well but we did not had much time on our hands

Well best way would have been not rush this one, it turned out well for me in the end but I did got some anxiety of FRA and all.

yeah but I feel quite good at remaining calm and being able to arouse her to get oral from no kiss and boy she was passionate and angry at me wanting something more out of me
 
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