Phone Closes at Parties

[Bboy100]

Ok, so I've noticed that the girls I get phone numbers from at parties pretty much never follow up the next morning. Even when I send an ice breaker text and she replies. The only exception to this has been a girl who is in my extended social circle (i.e. she knows all my friends and I know all hers). I think part of the issue I'm facing is that all the girls I meet from parties are pretty much hammered. Not just tipsy, but straight up drunk. Looking for sober girls at college parties is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Is there any point in even getting phone numbers from college parties? Or should I just work on closing them that night?

Note: This is different from night clubs/bars. At bars, girls are drunk or tipsy. But they can still function ok. At parties, this is not the case.

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Bboy,

I vote close that night.

BDSC

 

[Bboy100]

Yeah, collect the numbers and do not follow up for dates, mark them as a party # and invite them to go to parties with you! Boom!

This seems like a cool strategy! But only if executed properly.

My concerns are:
1. Getting friendzoned (i.e. inviting them to parties is not necessarily showing any romantic interest)
2. I could end up being "the cool guy who knows where the parties are at". So girls might go along with me but never have any intention of sleeping with me.

Should I be worried about these things, or are they just limiting beliefs? If so, how would I avoid these pitfalls?

 

[Bboy100]

Ahh, I see. Ok, I'll try this. But that also begs the question: Where do I go from there? I mean...let's say I have a bunch of girls in my social circle some of whom I'm interested in. I'm inviting them to parties, I'm doing all these attractive things you mentioned. How/when do I make my move in a discreet way?

I guess one thing I can do is what you mentioned in one of your posts: Invite a smaller group to my apartment so we can drink and take the one I'm interested in to bed.
But what about at actual parties? Does my process change at all? Or would I just do it the same way as if I'm doing a cold approach pickup?

 

[Estate]

Bboy,

For this issue there's a few things going on:

- These girls are partying, when you text the next morning she's hungover, or already with some other guy. If she just woke up hungover it's like an "Oh my god, who the F is this?". She met you drunk at a party, texting the next day to get her out for coffee? Hmmm, well if she's actuviely looking for a BF, maybe. But the more likely scenario is she's either having fun and just gave you the number for fun, or she was out for a hookup that night. To be honest, meeting girls drunk and then trying to meet them sober for a date always ends up super weird.

- If numbers are not translating in general, you're not really making a connection. I'd guess you're "sarging" to approach many women and get many numbers. Quick number closes and move on. Again, unless the girl is aggressively looking to get a guy herself, they'll forget you the second you leave.


Just stepping back a bit Bboy.... I notice you are asking tons of questions. That's great but lots and lots of very specific scenarios...
To be honest, nobody can read the mind of a specific girl in a specific situation. Maybe step back a little and chill out. Don't focus on such specific scenarios... just work on game in general that you can apply anywhere just by getting out there.

 

[Bboy100]

Sorry it took me so long to get back to this!

Estate,

- These girls are partying, when you text the next morning she's hungover, or already with some other guy. If she just woke up hungover it's like an "Oh my god, who the F is this?". She met you drunk at a party, texting the next day to get her out for coffee? Hmmm, well if she's actuviely looking for a BF, maybe. But the more likely scenario is she's either having fun and just gave you the number for fun, or she was out for a hookup that night. To be honest, meeting girls drunk and then trying to meet them sober for a date always ends up super weird.

- If numbers are not translating in general, you're not really making a connection. I'd guess you're "sarging" to approach many women and get many numbers. Quick number closes and move on. Again, unless the girl is aggressively looking to get a guy herself, they'll forget you the second you leave.

You're right on both counts. I was always kinda skeptical about picking up phone numbers at parties because of the first thing you said. But also, I have been doing the "sarging approach". I've been so focused on just "getting numbers" as an accomplishment, I didn't take into account that unlike on Tinder, the quality of my IRL interactions will have an impact on how likely they are to flake. Thanks for the reminder.

In any case, I feel like the strategy Radang outlined will solve both those issues.

Just stepping back a bit Bboy.... I notice you are asking tons of questions. That's great but lots and lots of very specific scenarios...
To be honest, nobody can read the mind of a specific girl in a specific situation. Maybe step back a little and chill out. Don't focus on such specific scenarios... just work on game in general that you can apply anywhere just by getting out there.

That's true, I do ask a lot of questions, most of which are at least somewhat specific. And I feel like the responses I've been getting have been very helpful. I also go out and work on game in general. I feel like the two are not mutually exclusive. Having said that, if people start to feel like I'm cluttering up the boards with too many questions, or are otherwise annoyed by my admittedly long winded threads, I'd certainly be ok with cutting down and being more selective about what I post in the future.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Actually party phone closes CAN work! They are hard to pull off however, I disagree with the statement about being the cool guy who knows where all the parties are; I did that for a couple years (used to run my own nightclub/rave company) a lot of the girls in the party scene tried to friend zone me and when I refused tried to mark me as "creepy" for only hanging out with/talking to girls who were interested in me. Now on the flip side when I focused on one girl I've met at a party, hungout with her outside of said party; then took her to another party it was decently easy to close. I still HIGHLY don't recommend this strategy, far better to take them to coffee/follow the guides and more experienced members here, as it was a 30/70 kind of thing. When I took them to coffee and tried to maneuver it to a dating/one on one scenario I had a lot more luck, my fundamentals aren't that great so I still lost out a lot more than I won, but it def helped to spend time with them ALONE and not around a bunch of people.

I'd suggest going for the hookup that night, when I've actually gotten a lay (or even a makeout/fingering/etc.) women have been far more likely to text me back in the morning when I do my ice breakers. In general my ratio was something like this with girls that I didn't do anything physical with: 1 response in the morning for every 3-4 numbers. Doesn't seem that bad but... I'd suggest day game/bar game if you're actually looking to setup dates.

I'll see if I can go to a couple parties in the next couple weeks and try to gather some more data now that my fundamentals are getting better. Will keep updated.

 

[Big Daddy]

I suspect that as a club owner you'd have a good close rate percentage?

I remember a few years ago when I saw a girl that up to this day stands solidly on my top 3 hottest girls I've personally seen practically throwing herself at the club owner of the hottest club of the area at the time.

Plus, I just read you just arrived here -- warm welcome for you, homie

@radeng

You're a wealth of party knowledge, dayum.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Unfortunately I wasn't the club owner haha, I ran an event management company (so I planned out and ran my own raves/club nights/yacht parties/house parties/concerts); so in essence what basically happened is when I threw an event at one of the Seattle nightclubs, I ran the show. The owner/owners would usually take a few honeys in the back room/their office and just get trashed/high/yakked out. So while I "ran" the club I was not the actual owner :/. It still certainly helped A TON as far as making almost all leads at the club/rave/party I was running a warm lead instead of a cold one, but the balance was I had to actually work and make sure my idiot buddies didn't do anything stupid.

Interestingly enough I have seen the actual owners of the different venues both succeed and fail, some of these guys had no pull whatsoever; tons of female friends but you never saw them hooking up with anyone. Some of them were pretty solid, saw them get a few different girls. My opinion? If you aren't practicing fundamentals/closing/cold approaching as much as possible the skill gets rusty, I know mine did! Should have seen me the first time I went out running night game at a club after I broke up with my ex (couple months ago), the first few approaches I did were awful!

 

[ProblemSolving]

If you're the kind of guy that goes to a ton of parties, then Radeng's advice is gold.

For me personally, if alcohol is involved, then go for the lay THAT NIGHT! Guaranteed there are some girls there that are DTF. Get physical with them to find out which ones are.