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funkyjam

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Any of you guys worked with dating coaches you’d actually recommend?

I’ve been thinking about whether bringing in a coach could help me level up faster—get some outside perspective, spot blind spots I might not see, and keep me accountable. There are so many options out there, though, and it’s hard to separate the legit ones from the hype merchants.

I’m curious if you’ve had direct experience with someone who made a noticeable difference in your results. What did they focus on—approach, text game, mindset, style? And did you feel the investment was worth it?

Would appreciate any first-hand recommendations, or even names to avoid.
 

isildur1

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James Marshall's 21 speeches had a profound effect on me


Would say Nick Krauser too , Tom Torero and Liam Mcrae - most of their stuff is found free on the internet

As for individual coaching I dont think any are worth the price personally that time is better spent acquiring higher quality wingmen
 

theReason

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Basic problem with dating coaches is three-fold. But I’m only going to touch on one point here.

Men do not want to see other men sexually successful, and women do not want to see sexually unsuccessful men become sexually successful.

So dating coaches, unless they are inherently aware of the fact that their subconscious desire is to, at best, keep a person at their existing level without helping them (and, more typically, to slightly worsen their outcome for their trouble), and make adjustments to their approach based on this fact, are basically just only going to help you incidentally in the process of fucking you over.

Chase is an anomaly in that everything about this entire forum and site goes against what should be within a man’s ability to assist others—and that is his actual stated intention. And his empirical approach to seduction makes that possible.

The second point is that the essence of an attractive man to women is that he sexually suppresses other men.

The third point is that as a person with a client, the fundamental desire is to deal with them as little as possible and yet get as much out of them as you can monetarily. So see what Skills says here. He is a good guy, most guys will be much more infuriated to see you succeed and neither give up nor become a chronic patient. Dating coaches charge a lot and yet the only way I can think of for getting decent insight out of any non-bad-faith-actor coach would be to book a whole bunch of time with him in a payment plan (with a good chunk up-front but not all up-front), then only actually book yourself for the first 6 hours of time, so that your welcome doesn’t wear thin, and then just pay off the rest of your plan, take the little advice you got as the best you’re going to get and leave the rest of the money as a tip. I don’t know why but this sounds vaguely like something I’ve heard about paying your advisors from some philosopher of antiquity. Maybe @Chase would be able to place it.
 

Atlas IV

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Men do not want to see other men sexually successful, and women do not want to see sexually unsuccessful men become sexually successful.
My brain hurts trying to figure out what you just said.

The second point is that the essence of an attractive man to women is that he sexually suppresses other men.
Genuinely curious, where do you guys get this red pill garbage from... Is it Reddit? Manosphere? Andrew Tate? This kind of thinking is just so divorced from reality.
 

Levo

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Basic problem with dating coaches is three-fold. But I’m only going to touch on one point here.

Men do not want to see other men sexually successful, and women do not want to see sexually unsuccessful men become sexually successful.

So dating coaches, unless they are inherently aware of the fact that their subconscious desire is to, at best, keep a person at their existing level without helping them (and, more typically, to slightly worsen their outcome for their trouble), and make adjustments to their approach based on this fact, are basically just only going to help you incidentally in the process of fucking you over.

Chase is an anomaly in that everything about this entire forum and site goes against what should be within a man’s ability to assist others—and that is his actual stated intention. And his empirical approach to seduction makes that possible.

The second point is that the essence of an attractive man to women is that he sexually suppresses other men.

The third point is that as a person with a client, the fundamental desire is to deal with them as little as possible and yet get as much out of them as you can monetarily. So see what Skills says here. He is a good guy, most guys will be much more infuriated to see you succeed and neither give up nor become a chronic patient. Dating coaches charge a lot and yet the only way I can think of for getting decent insight out of any non-bad-faith-actor coach would be to book a whole bunch of time with him in a payment plan (with a good chunk up-front but not all up-front), then only actually book yourself for the first 6 hours of time, so that your welcome doesn’t wear thin, and then just pay off the rest of your plan, take the little advice you got as the best you’re going to get and leave the rest of the money as a tip. I don’t know why but this sounds vaguely like something I’ve heard about paying your advisors from some philosopher of antiquity. Maybe @Chase would be able to place it.

1) This is scarcity mindset, and even if it wasnt you're assuming their subconscious is overriding their desire to have a successful business. There are billions of women in the world, why do I give a shit if youre the biggest pimp in _incert_city_here_ ? I could care less. If anything I want you to become that so that I can get your reviews and it will help me make more money.

2) Who told you attractive men sexually suppress other men? I mean, maybe I expect to have first dibs on the best females, but beyond that I am actively helping set up my good friends. If Im not super interested in a girl but I think she is a good match for my boy, then 100% I am setting them up. As do all other high value people. I'm definitely not trying to suppress aka cock block everyone else around me. Again, there are THOUSANDS of girls in your city, and I can only have a few at a time, so why do I care what everyone else has?

3) Again this is scarcity mentality and conspiratory thinking. I work in healthcare, and I can assure you all the doctors I know want to see their patients healed and with positive outcomes, they arent looking to give you half ass treatments so you will have more appointments. Same with dating coaches.

You are correct that a coach wont be able to fix you in a weekend. The expensive bootcamps are to give you an info dump (Most students dont read prior to the bootcamp) and to identify your glaring sticking points. Dating is no different than any other endeavor. You need to practice 10x by yourself for every one hour you spend with a coach. Coaches are there to guide and advise you and see your sticking points you are blind to.

You wouldnt expect to pay 3k to a guitar coach and be able to go play a concert in a weekend, but people expect it from dating coaches? Ridiculous. Go put in the work yourself and pay for consulting when you hit a slump and cant figure out why. I can assure you that so many guys are lazy or want to argue with you with whatever dumb theory they showed up with, coaches will love working with you and be excited and energized to see you succeed if youre one of the people who are willing to listen and put in the work.
 

AspiringStoic

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So dating coaches, unless they are inherently aware of the fact that their subconscious desire is to, at best, keep a person at their existing level without helping them (and, more typically, to slightly worsen their outcome for their trouble), and make adjustments to their approach based on this fact, are basically just only going to help you incidentally in the process of fucking you over.
Absolute nonsense. Reeks of deep scarcity. What I would give to have some of my friends that I care about who are struggling with dating to help them.


And the reason I am where I am today is because of the help and assistance I have received from OTHER MEN! Dont broadcast your own insecurities on others.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Chase

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@theReason,

That is not how humans work.

Remove a man's pride from his work and you rip the heart out of a man.

Imagine a software engineer who always writes buggy code because he intentionally wants to sabotage his work.

Or a blacksmith who always crafts brittle tools and weapons because he secretly wants his stuff to break.

Not only will those guys be out of a job, but they are going to feel like absolute dogshit all the time and have to quit and do something else.

I have known a ton of coaches in this space, not just our own (@Teevster, @Tony D., @Colt Williams, @Michael Chief, myself), but from a large variety of companies, and they're all crazy about getting students results. I took training with four different coaches when I was new, and each one bent over backwards to deliver results and provided me massive value in terms of tactics, experiences, and mindset shifts. From everything I have seen, that is the norm, not an exception.

Try to imagine a coach (i.e., a teacher), whose job is coaching, whose pride comes from the success of his teaching and methods, sabotaging his own students, subconsciously or otherwise. Imagine how much pride that man would have if his students continually fail. That man would not last long as a coach -- aside from people not wanting to book him because he gets clients zero results, he'd very quickly start feeling like a failure in his entire life, because wracking up failures in one key area spills over into others.



The other thing I will say:

It is impossible while in scarcity to imagine the outlook of a man who is in abundance.

A pickup coach who gets laid a lot with choice women is not worried about "if I train up this guy, that'll mean fewer women for me!"

He is at a point where he has all the women he wants; he cannot realistically manage more women in his life than whatever capacity he has already decided he can handle; and now he wants to give back while getting paid for what he knows how to do.

Women are an abundant resource for you at that point. You go out with other guys and try to get them laid. You feel happy when your friends and clients get laid and bummed out when they don't. If you pick up a girl but the buddy you were trying to get laid fails to you feel like you shouldn't have left so early so you could've winged your bud longer and maybe helped him out more.

A guy in scarcity doesn't want to share access to food, money, or women. A guy in abundance though tends to get off on spreading the wealth.

That has been my experience with the countless talented naturals and PUAs I have met over the years: anyone they had advice for, whether me or someone else, it was usually something useful, and always something well-intentioned.

People who offer advice like for their advice to be right and for it to work.

That is simply how it is with human beings.

Anyway, if you do not trust a coach, you can always do what I recommended doing in 2014 to a guy who leveled this same suspicion at me back then: TEST that coach's advice!

“Ive been a long time reader of your articles, and I can’t help but be skeptical at times. Your posts often have a tone of disliking competition from other men, and what makes you even want to help other men? Wouldn’t you be worried that other men will take your girl eventually due to the popularity of this blog? Or does making money off this site offset the potential costs seen there? I know whenever other men ask me for advice, I always tell them to be nice and confident, of course knowing that the advice won’t help at all.

What really are your motivations for your website?”


Leaving aside the suspicions of my motivations for running Girls Chase (which seem to imply that I’ve spent the past 5.5 years of my life, 3.5 of them full time, investing 6,000+ hours of my own time and writing somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million words building this site, dealing with all the headaches involved, composing and polishing and curating the content here, and responding to comments in order to wage a long-term, planetary-scale disinformation campaign designed to lead my competition for women down the garden path in order that I might personally have an easier time getting laid), I want to focus on one aspect in particular, and it’s this statement:

“I can’t help but be skeptical at times.”

To be sure, I actively encourage healthy skepticism in anything and everything that doesn’t match up with your prior experience and that you have no way of taking for a trial run.

And I’ll be the last man on Earth to tell you to take anything on faith alone (or even in large part).

And while I understand holding skepticism about things you have no ability to try out for yourself – things like religion, philosophy, or reports about anything remotely occult-related – the subject matter on this website is almost entirely (with a few dives into the theoretical here and there) not that sort of material.

Every single thing on this site is designed to be used, tried out, played with, toyed with, experimented upon, rotated in, weighed against alternatives, and kept if found sound or chucked if found not... not rolled around endlessly and skeptically in your mind as you try to make a decision on whether you want to personally believe it or not.

If you’ve been approaching the material on this site as something that must be taken “on faith”, and waiting for someone else to come along and convince you further, you’ve been coming at it all wrong.

Because I don’t want your faith. Don’t need it, don’t care for it. Never have, and never will.

Rather, I want your tests. Because real empiricists don’t take things on faith. Real empiricists test.


Chase
 
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