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Given that this is a topic that is circling around a good bit, I wanted to offer my thoughts.
Background:
I am an Indian guy (born and raised in the US) and years ago, used to be one of those people Franco talked about as a race whiner that never did anything. After a lot of tough lessons and life experiences that caused a huge shift in lifestyle and mindset change, I am at a point now to where if I wanted, I could easily get a couple dates on the weekend. Contrary to popular belief that exists, I do quite well with dating apps and these days I get an IOI or two when I am out. Compared to the vast majority of guys my race, I am killing it although that is not really saying much.
After hearing a bunch of things being thrown around about race and dating, I wanted to offer my perspective and things I consider to be politically incorrect truths about race and dating.
White guys do the best because they are the ones putting in the work to be the best. Guys from minority groups that whine about race are lazy, entitled and don't put in that same work.
Everyone wants to blame society, media and a load of other things for the fact that white guys have it the easiest in the dating game. From my experience, white guys put in the most work to make themselves appealing to women. It is rare for me to find brown guys going hard at the gym, maxing out their style, pushing themselves into the right social circles and investing a lot of time with the game itself. White guys are usually willing to go above and beyond, even travel the world if necessary, so they can get some pussy.
I think it is because image is big in white cultures where guys have to actually look good to impress women. Compare that with Indian culture where you can be fat and ugly but if you have a career and are from the right family, you will get a hot girl. We can talk about these differences all day, they are a thread of their own but they do shed a lot of light.
On top of all of that, the entitlement mentality and alpha mindset needed to get women is most common among whites and other cultures (Black American) that tend to do well with hot girls. Compare that to Asian or Indian culture where being submissive and bending over backwards to authority is admired and seen as the right thing to do.
Most minorities whining about race are usually low value and/or ugly guys.
You'll rarely see a tall handsome brown guy whine about not being able to get women because of his race, unless he is horribly low value or depressed. Majority of the background noise about race comes from guys who usually fit the following:
1. Ugly
2. Short
3. Lack of social skills
4. Late bloomer in terms of social life and didn't learn game until a much later age
5. Horrible upbringing that comes with overbearing parents who abused them and then leads to self-esteem confidence issues
Culturally, it is common for men from certain backgrounds to go through more of the abuse, it is common in a lot of brown and Asian families where mentally sick parents attempt to live their dreams through their kids.
People are tribal, it will probably be easier for you to get friends and a wingman of a similar background or look as yours.
I found that when I went to the really white parts of NYC to game women, there were more tense moments in the air. Even among whites, if I game a girl from a more swarthy and darker skinned white group the guys have no issue with it. I have had Middle Eastern, Hispanic, Mediterranean and darker skinned girls encourage me to hook up with their female friends. It is rare that a pale blonde guy or a white guy who is Anglo/Northern European ever does the same.
Coincidentally, I also find that I have an easier time getting a guy with my kind of look to be my wingman while a blond or pale white guy usually gets turned off by the idea of having an Indian guy as his wing. I think there is some strong tribalism there.
It carries over on to game and women too, I can be making out with a tanned skin girl with dark hair (even if she is white) and no one cares. If I game blondes or pale white women, I get a lot of nasty looks for it.
At one point I was hooking up with a white girl that had the Katy Perry look (black hair and tanned skin) going for her. She was naturally pale with brown hair but said she changed her look because she had a thing for darker skinned guys. Whenever she would end up with them with her natural look, people gave her nasty looks and she noticed she was getting more stares but when she darkened herself up a bit, she could date a Latino or a darker skinned guy without attracting unsuspecting eyes.
Which leads me to my next point....
Unless you're in an area where your race is uncommon or target a niche, you’ll usually attract women of your own ethnic background or those that somewhat resemble your ethnic background.
As an Indian guy with a lighter skin tone, I feel somewhat blessed in the sense that my look appeals to a wide variety of women.
I have a similar skin tone as some Latinos and a lot of Middle Eastern people, of all the races I have an easy time with those women compared to most men I know. I’ve had an easy time getting the attention of Asian women and when I do get white women, the ones that give me the strongest IOIs are usually more tanned and swarthier themselves. Whether it is some Eastern European, Italian, Jewish or even a basic white girl with that kind of look; I always have an easier time with darker and more tanned white girls than I do blondes and more pale white women.
Given that I am in NYC, most women I match with are white women with dark hair and that sort of exotic look but brown women (of any kind) are a very close second. Maybe it is some sort of tribalism or something, not even based on race alone but ethnic appearance itself.
Yesterday night I was out at a bar checking out the fight UFC fight where Khabib absolutely destroyed McGregor. I did no approaching at all other than giving some slight looks to some blondes I found cute, not much reception. Out of nowhere this dark hair girl with tanned skin wearing an Ireland shirt bumps into me, I look at her and smile she smiles back saying sorry. Given the space, I know she did it on purpose. Out of that something came of it and even though she was rooting for McGregor and I was for Khabib, the night ended up in me taking her home (lay report coming soon).
You will have to be exceptional if you want the top tier women of other races.
If you want to regularly get model blondes as a brown guy, you better bring something special to the table like all guys that game these women.
You will have to be exceptional, without any excuses, if you want to get the top tier women of other races.
I know some people claim that white guys get a pass here due to colonialism, I don't notice that as much. Even women from cultures that worship whiteness will want a top tier guy if they are good looking themselves. If you see a hot ethnic girl with an ugly white guy, guaranteed he is bringing something big to the table outside of just being white.
Background:
I am an Indian guy (born and raised in the US) and years ago, used to be one of those people Franco talked about as a race whiner that never did anything. After a lot of tough lessons and life experiences that caused a huge shift in lifestyle and mindset change, I am at a point now to where if I wanted, I could easily get a couple dates on the weekend. Contrary to popular belief that exists, I do quite well with dating apps and these days I get an IOI or two when I am out. Compared to the vast majority of guys my race, I am killing it although that is not really saying much.
After hearing a bunch of things being thrown around about race and dating, I wanted to offer my perspective and things I consider to be politically incorrect truths about race and dating.
White guys do the best because they are the ones putting in the work to be the best. Guys from minority groups that whine about race are lazy, entitled and don't put in that same work.
Everyone wants to blame society, media and a load of other things for the fact that white guys have it the easiest in the dating game. From my experience, white guys put in the most work to make themselves appealing to women. It is rare for me to find brown guys going hard at the gym, maxing out their style, pushing themselves into the right social circles and investing a lot of time with the game itself. White guys are usually willing to go above and beyond, even travel the world if necessary, so they can get some pussy.
I think it is because image is big in white cultures where guys have to actually look good to impress women. Compare that with Indian culture where you can be fat and ugly but if you have a career and are from the right family, you will get a hot girl. We can talk about these differences all day, they are a thread of their own but they do shed a lot of light.
On top of all of that, the entitlement mentality and alpha mindset needed to get women is most common among whites and other cultures (Black American) that tend to do well with hot girls. Compare that to Asian or Indian culture where being submissive and bending over backwards to authority is admired and seen as the right thing to do.
Most minorities whining about race are usually low value and/or ugly guys.
You'll rarely see a tall handsome brown guy whine about not being able to get women because of his race, unless he is horribly low value or depressed. Majority of the background noise about race comes from guys who usually fit the following:
1. Ugly
2. Short
3. Lack of social skills
4. Late bloomer in terms of social life and didn't learn game until a much later age
5. Horrible upbringing that comes with overbearing parents who abused them and then leads to self-esteem confidence issues
Culturally, it is common for men from certain backgrounds to go through more of the abuse, it is common in a lot of brown and Asian families where mentally sick parents attempt to live their dreams through their kids.
People are tribal, it will probably be easier for you to get friends and a wingman of a similar background or look as yours.
I found that when I went to the really white parts of NYC to game women, there were more tense moments in the air. Even among whites, if I game a girl from a more swarthy and darker skinned white group the guys have no issue with it. I have had Middle Eastern, Hispanic, Mediterranean and darker skinned girls encourage me to hook up with their female friends. It is rare that a pale blonde guy or a white guy who is Anglo/Northern European ever does the same.
Coincidentally, I also find that I have an easier time getting a guy with my kind of look to be my wingman while a blond or pale white guy usually gets turned off by the idea of having an Indian guy as his wing. I think there is some strong tribalism there.
It carries over on to game and women too, I can be making out with a tanned skin girl with dark hair (even if she is white) and no one cares. If I game blondes or pale white women, I get a lot of nasty looks for it.
At one point I was hooking up with a white girl that had the Katy Perry look (black hair and tanned skin) going for her. She was naturally pale with brown hair but said she changed her look because she had a thing for darker skinned guys. Whenever she would end up with them with her natural look, people gave her nasty looks and she noticed she was getting more stares but when she darkened herself up a bit, she could date a Latino or a darker skinned guy without attracting unsuspecting eyes.
Which leads me to my next point....
Unless you're in an area where your race is uncommon or target a niche, you’ll usually attract women of your own ethnic background or those that somewhat resemble your ethnic background.
As an Indian guy with a lighter skin tone, I feel somewhat blessed in the sense that my look appeals to a wide variety of women.
I have a similar skin tone as some Latinos and a lot of Middle Eastern people, of all the races I have an easy time with those women compared to most men I know. I’ve had an easy time getting the attention of Asian women and when I do get white women, the ones that give me the strongest IOIs are usually more tanned and swarthier themselves. Whether it is some Eastern European, Italian, Jewish or even a basic white girl with that kind of look; I always have an easier time with darker and more tanned white girls than I do blondes and more pale white women.
Given that I am in NYC, most women I match with are white women with dark hair and that sort of exotic look but brown women (of any kind) are a very close second. Maybe it is some sort of tribalism or something, not even based on race alone but ethnic appearance itself.
Yesterday night I was out at a bar checking out the fight UFC fight where Khabib absolutely destroyed McGregor. I did no approaching at all other than giving some slight looks to some blondes I found cute, not much reception. Out of nowhere this dark hair girl with tanned skin wearing an Ireland shirt bumps into me, I look at her and smile she smiles back saying sorry. Given the space, I know she did it on purpose. Out of that something came of it and even though she was rooting for McGregor and I was for Khabib, the night ended up in me taking her home (lay report coming soon).
You will have to be exceptional if you want the top tier women of other races.
If you want to regularly get model blondes as a brown guy, you better bring something special to the table like all guys that game these women.
You will have to be exceptional, without any excuses, if you want to get the top tier women of other races.
I know some people claim that white guys get a pass here due to colonialism, I don't notice that as much. Even women from cultures that worship whiteness will want a top tier guy if they are good looking themselves. If you see a hot ethnic girl with an ugly white guy, guaranteed he is bringing something big to the table outside of just being white.
