Poor fundamentals, poor game, poor logistics... Will I ever get laid?

[raiden]

In case you don't know from many of my other posts, I'm a long term incel. I initially started reading GC about 6 years ago wanting to have a girlfriend to eventually settle down and have a family with. But my results have been so disappointing that now I'll settle for just a lay this year and call it a success.

I have poor game. You can see this from my numerous date reports here. It also seems like women are especially unforgiving of my poor game, either because I don't show good attainability (poor game) or because of my poor fundamentals. What I mean is that I'm quite sure that guys with poor game don't all end up with no lays or no girlfriend. Sometimes, they find a forgiving woman who likes the guy for his fundamentals, and things work out despite poor game. (e.g. We all know a guy who took over 3 months to seduce the woman who is now his girlfriend. This is poor game and we'd expect a woman to dump him before the 3 month mark but he had a forgiving woman /experience). But with my fundamentals, it seems clear that this won't happen.

Cold approach hasn't worked for me either. I recently went out with another coach and we went for an approach invitation session. He said that we'd try to approach almost exclusively in response to AIs. But he didn't see me get a single AI. So I only did one non AI open and of course it didn't hook. So it seems like my fundamentals will go against me here too. It also seems like this coach doesn't have much to teach me on top of what I've already covered with previous coaches and so I expect that I shan't be working with them for long.

I've recently dabbled in online sugar dating too but I'm finding that it's very competitive and that I have exactly the same difficulties that I have with online dating system dates. So far, the women don't want to go beyond the initial meet or they're even less affable than the dating system women. So is the only way for a guy like me to proceed to go with actual sex workers or do sex tourism?

 

[topcat]

dude. i've seen your reports, youve had girls sending you escalation windows left and right & you CHOOSE to go home with your dick in your hand. ypu come on here complaining about the same BS excuse about fundamentals. Guys on here go out of their way to help you, i do believe Chase wrote a whole article for you and you still continue with the same BS.

Please,

go with actual sex workers or do sex tourism

and FUCK OFF

 

[gameboy]

It's not your fundamentals. It's your attitude.

In other words, it's all in your head man.

The last girl you wrote a Fuckup Report about, could actually have been a Fuck Report if you'd just escalated with her a bit and then asked her to show you her place.

Next time you go on a date, please try to implement at least ONE of the many pieces of advice you've received here already. Then in the report, explain what you did (or tried to do) different, and what happened as a result. Otherwise no one here can help you.

If you just keep doing the same thing over and over without attempting to change any of your beliefs and behaviours, people will get fed up with your posting here as you can see.

 

[Adventurer]

You have devent fundamentals, otherwise you wouldn't get dates online

You have decent game, otherwise you would have bad dates. And no, none of your reports are bad dates. They are ALL normal dates who could have lead to sex

Your ONLY problem is that you don't pull. I don't know why. Maybe you based too much of your identity around inceldom and want to keep that sweet V (victim) card. You present yourself as an incel all the time, no one cares either way tbh. You have every tool to get laid right now

I'm curious about your sugar dating experience. Are the girls hotter than normal apps? Is it more expensive? Do they ask you to pay for the first date like gold diggers or do you get a chance to run your game for free? Are you using Seeking or another app? I'm kinda thinking that with Tinder going mainstream, those niche sugar dating apps can be a big opportunity if you use them to fuck the girls without paying

 

[Spyce D]

I recently went out with another coach and we went for an approach invitation session. He said that we'd try to approach almost exclusively in response to AIs.

This mindset is holding you back .

You don't have to wait to AIs to approach . Women will like you if you do the approach properly ... Even if they don't give you their number .

Basically , don't be so result oriented and you need to stop identifying as an incel .

 

[TomInHo]

I'm curious about your sugar dating experience. Are the girls hotter than normal apps? Is it more expensive? Do they ask you to pay for the first date like gold diggers or do you get a chance to run your game for free? Are you using Seeking or another app? I'm kinda thinking that with Tinder going mainstream, those niche sugar dating apps can be a big opportunity if you use them to fuck the girls without paying

Look up "Salt Daddy Game"

It's very interesting

 

[DarkKnight]

@raiden, I am suspecting your problem is inexpierence with escalation which causes fear of rejection or fumbling up.

You know guys in such situation I would rather have someone like this get laid with a paid girl so they can get rid of this fear and then escalate like normal with regular girls. This happened in old societies more than you would suspect.

Could be this is caused by his infamiliarity with sex rather than anything else which makes him choke up

 

[Chase]

RAIDEN: [goes for sex]
GIRLS:

Seriously, if this is the case (I haven't read the reports):

dude. i've seen your reports, youve had girls sending you escalation windows left and right & you CHOOSE to go home with your dick in your hand.

The last girl you wrote a Fuckup Report about, could actually have been a Fuck Report if you'd just escalated with her a bit and then asked her to show you her place.

... then the biggest hurdle at this point is probably this:

Invite Her Home

Guys go out for different reasons. I find that one of the most common ones, particularly for men new to meeting women on the street, at bars, at clubs, at bookstores and coffee shops, is to “work on their game”. Totally understandable. It’s where I started out at. And, especially in the...

www.girlschase.com

It's not in this article, but somewhere I discussed a talk I gave to the San Diego pickup lair back in the day. There was a crowd of about 30 guys in the room and I asked all the guys who went out to talk to girls at least once a week to raise their hands. Almost every hand went up. Then I asked the guys who invited at least one girl home with them every time they went out to raise their hands, and like two hands stayed up. Everyone laughed and the point was made: guys are going out, chatting up all these girls, only to rarely end up pulling the trigger.

If you've got a girl on a date with you, invite her home.

The worst that can happen is she says "no" and then you have to wait five minutes, build more attraction or comfort, then try again.

Chase

 

[gameboy]

RAIDEN: [goes for sex]
GIRLS:

Except, he doesn't.

I think deep down he's afraid of escalating. Maybe having sex with a hooker can help to get rid of that fear. But I'm not a psychologist so can't really say.

 

[Chase]

Except, he doesn't.

I think deep down he's afraid of escalating. Maybe having sex with a hooker can help to get rid of that fear. But I'm not a psychologist so can't really say.

Yeah I know, I just wanted to use that meme of Raiden from the Mortal Kombat movie and that was the best way I could fit it in.

...

But for real, @raiden, you've gotta start pulling the trigger on these gals.

Make the ask. Make a move. Get your butt of the fence, homie.

All the fear is before the jump. Once you're in free fall you go with it.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to use that meme of Raiden from the Mortal Kombat movie and that was the best way I could fit it in

I bet if member Raiden met Kitana/Talisa Soto of that movie he would pull the trigger no matter what.

That woman was smoking hot. They dont make em like they used to

 

[funkyjam]

Like Chase said, make the move. It sounds like you're getting somewhere with these girls, it's just a matter of taking things to the next level. You may be nervous when you say "I live ten minutes from here, wanna check out that thing I mentioned?" But FUCK that anxiety and say it. Don't reject yourself.

 

[raiden]

Thanks for the input. Would you recommend now that I just go straight to a paid woman or try to implement this advice first with a date woman? If I try and still don't do it, how long until I deem myself inept or to have a block?

I'll quickly respond about my sugar dating experience. But I know that it's considered off topic for this forum so I won't discuss it much further. The women are, I think, less sexy and less interesting than those that I find on the dating systems. It definitely feels like the lower tier of dating. So far I have asked for an initial dinner or drinks date to get to know her with an aim to go to somewhere like a hotel on the second date. You can expect to pay for her time and pay all the bills on the date. The dates that I've been on haven't gone well and I've had a rejection here too. The sugar women that I met don't compare with some of the women with whom I screwed up, described in my date reports.

 

[gameboy]

Paid woman, because dates don't seem to be working for you at the moment. Just focus on getting laid. Skip that first date.

Try to get a woman that you actually like! So you can have a pleasant experience. When you meet (and sleep with) a girl that's actually fun to be around, it can give you a lot of positive energy.

That said, if you can pull it off with a date woman, that would be even better. But if you try it and it just doesn't seem to work, i'd go for a paid one asap.