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Space Monkey
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I'm an inveterate lurker, and a proper seduction beginner. I’ve been procrastinating on starting a journal. Need to just get this thread started so I have an outlet for accountability.

About me:
  • late 20s, large US city
  • Excellent fundamentals, I’ve always had attention from girls just never knew how to capitalize on it
  • Most of my success + experience has come from online so far. Went on a tear with online last year but stepped away from it after getting a couple FBs and in an attempt to force me to start doing daygame (that didn’t really work…)
  • Main goal is get good at daygame, I just haven’t been able to motivate myself to leave the house and do approaches
  • Not much interest in night game, but I should try it. Main things stopping me are I don’t know good venues (need to explore) and don’t know anyone who could be a good wing
Where I’m at with daygame:
  • Very little experience: I've done 15-20 daytime cold approaches in my life, most of them in the past 4 months
  • I’ve tended to look for AIs and try to open situational/casual/slow/super sprezzatura, only tried like 5 street stops. This is too limiting. I need to be more bold.
  • Almost all of my approaches have come after I passed up one or two girls that I wanted to approach but didn’t and basically told myself “fuck you, you fucking suck, you’re going to hate yourself if you don’t approach the next girl you see” and I approached the next girl I saw. Or where I saw a cute girl stationary and sat in my head for a minute+ figuring out exactly I was going to say and working up the courage to do it.
  • No closes from my first 10-15 approaches. Most ended with "I have a boyfriend” (too platonic/nervous/ending things too early)
  • Had a breakthrough recently: my last 3 approaches had number closes:
    1. first number close ever, she didn’t respond to texts
    2. number close, decided I wasn’t that excited about her
    3. she suggested the number swap, got the date but it didn’t go anywhere
  • Biggest change for those last ones was extending the interaction to 10+ min vs 3-5 min (and probably going for close on awkward rather than high points) for earlier ones.
  • Haven’t done another approach since the last number close + date (like 2 weeks ago)
God, writing all this out has been really humbling. I’m such a rookie. Obviously my biggest impediment right now is simply taking action. I’m averaging like 1 approach / week but that’s like 3 approaches in a week then no action for 2+ weeks.

Will write more over weekend
 

Prime

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I see Awaiting approval before being displayed publicly.

Do I need to do something to get this publicly posted? Idk where to even ask this, don't want to hijack another board/thread
 

Prime

Space Monkey
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Fighting AA & low momentum, visualization, street openers, gym pickup

Hey It’s been a week as this thread wasn’t approved by mods until a few days ago.

Fighting low momentum / AA
Currently super low-momentum and battling AA. Got sick a few weeks ago, pretty much didn’t leave the house for a couple weeks. As close to depressed as I get. Feeling better this past week trying to get back into a rhythm.

I work from home and just the thought of leaving the house, seeing beautiful girls, and not having the balls to open them has made me resistant to even leaving. This is bad. This is pathetic. My social momentum is so low I was even kinda anxious to small talk with an old lady at the gym today.

I read @AspiringStoic 's post on defeating AA. I’m working on just leaving the house at this point. Baby steps.

So I forced myself to head downtown yesterday just for a change of scenery and to get out of the house, not forcing myself to make any approaches. And I didn’t make any approaches.

Street openers
I could’ve opened two girls yesterday. One walked past my car right as I was parking it, should’ve ran up to her “Hey I was just parking my car and saw you walking by and just have to say you’re the most fashionable girl I’ve seen all week. I’m Prime.” Another girl was walking past me wearing a crop top, probably should’ve tried the “Are you single” opener.

Today I went on a quick walk and saw a cute girl in yoga pants walking across crosswalk towards me. I was on my headphones listening to an audiobook so not at all in the right headspace to open.

I don’t really know what to say to girls who aren’t wearing anything particularly remarkable. In my head the options are:
  • Something like "you have an understated elegance" (saw that in a thread somewhere on here)
  • Chase’s patented “most killer walk I’ve seen all day”
  • "are you single" (I’ve only tried this one, she said she wasn't and I'm pretty sure that was. true. But she was warm and we proceeded to make a little smalltalk which was nice)
  • I’ve also been meaning to try “Hey… quick question… what do you think would be a good thing to say… to strike up a conversation in [the gym, on the sidewalk, at the grocery store]… with somebody you’re curious to meet?” from Ricardus’s article. Has anyone tried this?
Two habits I need to get into: Always be dressed well and stop wearing my damn headphones while walking around! Engage with the world! Always be prepared to seize opportunities that present themselves!

Visualization + overthinking
A silver lining to seeing opportunities to approach, even if I don’t take them, is I can go back and think about the right move.

Honestly, I think the exact opposite of the 3 second rule works for me. I clearly overthink things so being able to pause time would be a lifesaver. Think of a good opener, work up the courage to approach, think about how much regret I’ll feel if I don’t approach. Most of my opens have been like this: at least a minute of hyping myself up and figuring out my opener. But then again, the only date I’ve gotten from cold-approach was an impulsive street stop with a super generic direct opener “You’re gorgeous and I had to meet you.”

Anyway, I read Chase’s article on visualization a few months ago and started doing some meditation (following my breath) and visualization (mostly of missed approach opportunities, visualizing what I should’ve done and how the approach would’ve proceeded) immediately upon waking. I haven’t meditated in years and have never done visualization and it feels incredible. Now I just need to move those interactions out of my mind and into the real world.

Gym
Another thing that’s been on my mind: gym approaches. The gym is by far my most consistent place to see gorgeous women. Hell, I bet the gym could sate my whole seduction diet if I figured out how to smoothly approach a girl or two each time I’m there.

I don’t workout the same time every day and I switch between several different gym locations, so the gym is less of a social circle environment for me. I’ve only done two gym approaches that hooked: one that set up right next to where I was already working out (indirect open straight into conversation), and one that was checking me out (direct open). A few awkward opens/slow opens that didn’t hook.

Two issues I'm facing at the gym:
  1. I’m rarely “naturally” next to a hot girl. Sometimes they’ll be doing their hip thrusts or cable glute extension things but most often they’re on the treadmills or stair steppers. So I see my two options as
    • derail my workout and hop on to the treadmill or whatever right next to her and try to talk to her (after a few minutes of pretending I’m there to actually use it) and hop off once the conversation ends (since I don’t actually want to be there)
    • try to keep tabs on her with my peripheral vision and intercept her before she leaves, which will mostly fail because cardio and strength equipment are mostly separated
  2. They’re all wearing airpods! While “gym social circle” is less of a problem for me, it’s still a thing so I want to use direct openers infrequently. And I don’t see much of an opportunity to indirectly/innocuously/slowly open if that involves making a girl take off her headphones.
I read the gym approaches article which afair is mostly about “gym is social circle, ping girls” and “get the conversation off the gym ASAP,” the latter is a great piece of advice and has worked for me.

Wait... as I was writing this I checked it out again and he does recommend a direct approach in some cases:
“Excuse me... I saw you working out over here, and I haven't seen you in the gym before, and I just HAD to come tell you that you have the prettiest hair I've seen all day today. I'm Pete.”
Maybe I just need to grow some balls and walk over and go direct.

Anyway, if anyone reading has any gym pick up strategies I’m all ears.




What's next
Going to continue easing back into it, getting out of the house more and paying attention to opportunities with no expectation (i.e. anxiety) to open so I stop stressing myself out when I should just be a normal human in the world. Maybe that's what I'll need to open a girl again.

Will probably write about online game, texting, and FBs/sex in upcoming posts to my journal. And idk maybe I should be posting some of this on other boards and not in journal. Need to familiarize myself with the different boards more.

Until next time.

Prime
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Prime

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My last post was quarantined waiting for mod approval for a while so I haven't updated. In the meantime, I had a record setting approach day.
  • Doubled my record number of opens in a day (3 to 6)
  • Doubled my record for number closes in a day (1 to 2)
Approach 1:
Girl was at the cashier at a gas station. I hopped in line just as she was leaving. She saw me as she left. No IOIs that I noticed. She was filling up her car when I got out. I got clearly in her FOV (avoid startling) and opened with "Are you single" "Yes" Nervous as hell. At one point I was at a loss for words for like 5+ seconds and literally told her I didn't know what to say. "I'll take that as a compliment." Complimented her jewelry, the only investment I got from her was getting her to guess where I'm from (I basically always do this, now that I think of it all of my number closes I've made the girl guess this). As she finished up at the pump she said something along the lines of "I'm going to get going" expectantly, so I said we should hang and we exchanged numbers. My hands were so shaky from nerves as I got her number, hoping I hid it.

Approach 2:
Girl outside bar clearly waiting for someone. Almost passed this one up bc I was pretty sure she was waiting for a guy. But I need the practice and keep momentum up so walked over (quite obviously and from quite a distance) and opened with "Are you single." She was very much married with a big ring on her finger. Also too old for me but I couldn’t see the ring or age when I made the decision to approach and once I started walking decisively toward her I I had no choice but to open boldly.

Approach 3:
Was walking towards a girl, thought I should open but chickened out and walked past her. I don’t think she saw me. Lots of people around. I turned around. She was ambling, taking pictures. Worked up some courage, opened with "You look like a tourist." She was, only in town for weekend. Warm reception. I was much less nervous for this conversation. Pretty platonic. She had to get going. Me: "I don't suppose we'll have time to meet up before you head out" Her: “I might have time tomorrow". Number exchange.

Missed Opportunity:

Girl walking towards me on sidewalk, chickened out at the last second. Rationalized that she wasn't my type. In retrospect, bullshit. My standards through the roof when the it comes time for a street stop. With approach 3 I told myself the exact same thing before I turned around and opened and she was cute.

Approach 4:
Walking towards me on sidewalk. Determined not to repeat what just happened, started the street stop from quite a distance. "You look like you're in quite a hurry." Once I had her stopped, realized she was too old. Friendly short chat, adieu.

Was going to wrap things up there, but as I was heading home decided to detour to the grocery to lock in my progress.

Approach 5:
"I love your glasses" She said thanks and elaborated a bit but was slinking off, closed off body language as though trying to escape. I tried one follow up, she responded to it kindly but was still trying to head into the next aisle. I wished her well and exited. Not sure what I should've done here. Her responses were longer than I would've expected if she absolutely didn't want to be talking but her body language was just so "I want to get out of here". Maybe it was because we were in the middle of a busy walkway. Now that I think of it the move would've been the compliance pull into an aisle "to get out of the way". If she was interested she would've complied, if she wasn’t she’d either be confused or reject me.

Approach 6:
Complimented girl on her outfit. She hooked, we chatted for 30s-1m, I asked for her name and she realized I was hitting on her and made sure to let me know she was here with her BF. A bit more chitchat and farewell. Was legit, saw her with her BF before I left.

What I did well:
Did my first cold approach in almost a month. Then I capitalized on momentum by making 5 more. I was honestly pretty happy with myself after my first approach + number close. In the past I would’ve pat myself on the back and went home. I stuck it out, cemented my gains, set a new bar for what I’m capable of.

Lessons:
  • Don't worry about approach invitations. None of these had them that I could tell. But both number closes did cross my path before I made my way back and opened, so it’s possible they saw me and hung around to see if I’d open.
  • Don't second guess yourself and just approach. Your mind will play tricks, tell you she’s actually not that cute, justify inaction. Don’t fall for it.
  • AA is just silly. This isn’t hard, there’s nothing scary about it. I’ve never gotten a harsh reaction, the most awkward have been with married women.
  • Compliance. Compliance. Compliance. I've only ever gotten texts back from girls I've requested some compliance from.
  • Tease, flirt, be playful. Was pretty dry today. The only time I’ve managed to be a good flirt is on dates with very flirty girls.
  • Qualify. I’m so bad at remembering to do this. I think @DoWhatWorks mentioned qualifying with something like "you’re really friendly/warm" which is generically applicable and encourages her to behave warmly (labeling theory).
  • If you don’t go direct, compliment/qualify early.
  • Exchange names. For some reason I was really bad at remembering to exchange names early. Both number closes I only got their names during the number close.
  • Do not exhibit any form of nervousness. Being in state helps so much. I've still gotten numbers acting nervous but never any replies.
Icebreaker texts:
Sent icebreakers to the numbers, no responses which is unsurprising. I do the Chase recommended icebreaker “glad we met - my name” sent within 4 hrs, as it feels the most sprezzatura, easy for her to respond to and if I don’t get a response to that probably nothing would’ve worked, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe a more enticing message could get fence sitters to reply. Does anybody find more success with a more involved icebreaker/entertaining/callback humor?
 

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My last post was quarantined waiting for mod approval for a while so I haven't updated. In the meantime, I had a record setting approach day.
  • Doubled my record number of opens in a day (3 to 6)
  • Doubled my record for number closes in a day (1 to 2)
Approach 1:
Girl was at the cashier at a gas station. I hopped in line just as she was leaving. She saw me as she left. No IOIs that I noticed. She was filling up her car when I got out. I got clearly in her FOV (avoid startling) and opened with "Are you single" "Yes" Nervous as hell. At one point I was at a loss for words for like 5+ seconds and literally told her I didn't know what to say. "I'll take that as a compliment." Complimented her jewelry, the only investment I got from her was getting her to guess where I'm from (I basically always do this, now that I think of it all of my number closes I've made the girl guess this). As she finished up at the pump she said something along the lines of "I'm going to get going" expectantly, so I said we should hang and we exchanged numbers. My hands were so shaky from nerves as I got her number, hoping I hid it.

Approach 2:
Girl outside bar clearly waiting for someone. Almost passed this one up bc I was pretty sure she was waiting for a guy. But I need the practice and keep momentum up so walked over (quite obviously and from quite a distance) and opened with "Are you single." She was very much married with a big ring on her finger. Also too old for me but I couldn’t see the ring or age when I made the decision to approach and once I started walking decisively toward her I I had no choice but to open boldly.

Approach 3:
Was walking towards a girl, thought I should open but chickened out and walked past her. I don’t think she saw me. Lots of people around. I turned around. She was ambling, taking pictures. Worked up some courage, opened with "You look like a tourist." She was, only in town for weekend. Warm reception. I was much less nervous for this conversation. Pretty platonic. She had to get going. Me: "I don't suppose we'll have time to meet up before you head out" Her: “I might have time tomorrow". Number exchange.

Missed Opportunity:

Girl walking towards me on sidewalk, chickened out at the last second. Rationalized that she wasn't my type. In retrospect, bullshit. My standards through the roof when the it comes time for a street stop. With approach 3 I told myself the exact same thing before I turned around and opened and she was cute.

Approach 4:
Walking towards me on sidewalk. Determined not to repeat what just happened, started the street stop from quite a distance. "You look like you're in quite a hurry." Once I had her stopped, realized she was too old. Friendly short chat, adieu.

Was going to wrap things up there, but as I was heading home decided to detour to the grocery to lock in my progress.

Approach 5:
"I love your glasses" She said thanks and elaborated a bit but was slinking off, closed off body language as though trying to escape. I tried one follow up, she responded to it kindly but was still trying to head into the next aisle. I wished her well and exited. Not sure what I should've done here. Her responses were longer than I would've expected if she absolutely didn't want to be talking but her body language was just so "I want to get out of here". Maybe it was because we were in the middle of a busy walkway. Now that I think of it the move would've been the compliance pull into an aisle "to get out of the way". If she was interested she would've complied, if she wasn’t she’d either be confused or reject me.

Approach 6:
Complimented girl on her outfit. She hooked, we chatted for 30s-1m, I asked for her name and she realized I was hitting on her and made sure to let me know she was here with her BF. A bit more chitchat and farewell. Was legit, saw her with her BF before I left.

What I did well:
Did my first cold approach in almost a month. Then I capitalized on momentum by making 5 more. I was honestly pretty happy with myself after my first approach + number close. In the past I would’ve pat myself on the back and went home. I stuck it out, cemented my gains, set a new bar for what I’m capable of.

Lessons:
  • Don't worry about approach invitations. None of these had them that I could tell. But both number closes did cross my path before I made my way back and opened, so it’s possible they saw me and hung around to see if I’d open.
  • Don't second guess yourself and just approach. Your mind will play tricks, tell you she’s actually not that cute, justify inaction. Don’t fall for it.
  • AA is just silly. This isn’t hard, there’s nothing scary about it. I’ve never gotten a harsh reaction, the most awkward have been with married women.
  • Compliance. Compliance. Compliance. I've only ever gotten texts back from girls I've requested some compliance from.
  • Tease, flirt, be playful. Was pretty dry today. The only time I’ve managed to be a good flirt is on dates with very flirty girls.
  • Qualify. I’m so bad at remembering to do this. I think @DoWhatWorks mentioned qualifying with something like "you’re really friendly/warm" which is generically applicable and encourages her to behave warmly (labeling theory).
  • If you don’t go direct, compliment/qualify early.
  • Exchange names. For some reason I was really bad at remembering to exchange names early. Both number closes I only got their names during the number close.
  • Do not exhibit any form of nervousness. Being in state helps so much. I've still gotten numbers acting nervous but never any replies.
Icebreaker texts:
Sent icebreakers to the numbers, no responses which is unsurprising. I do the Chase recommended icebreaker “glad we met - my name” sent within 4 hrs, as it feels the most sprezzatura, easy for her to respond to and if I don’t get a response to that probably nothing would’ve worked, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe a more enticing message could get fence sitters to reply. Does anybody find more success with a more involved icebreaker/entertaining/callback humor
Hello there prime .I'm curious about compliance how do you get compliance on your daygame interactions ?
 

Prime

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Hello there prime .I'm curious about compliance how do you get compliance on your daygame interactions ?

Moving her is the easiest and most important one. Even moving her a few feet to a wall or to sit somewhere. Super powerful. It makes her commit to the interaction. Small favors like a sip of her drink, showing you her jewelry.

Had a great gym approach once with a very hot girl I'd been crushing for a few month. She was SUPER smiley and excited that I started talking to her. She was sitting under a barbell to do hip thrusts. 3 min convo and I got BF excuse when I went for contact. I am certain if I'd just had her get up and sat next to her for a sec, that bit of compliance + the comfort to have a bit longer interaction and I would've gotten the number.
 
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