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Hi guys. First post. I’m on a wild adventure:
I’m a mature student in my mid-thirties at a top English university. I’m surrounded by literally hundreds of 20-year-old high quality, upper-middle class, highly intelligent, beautiful women. It’s a big part of the reason I worked hard to get here, apart from furthering my career.
I’ve been in several LTRs before this with attractive women. In those LTRs, the women chased me persistently in social circle for a few months resulting in relationships. I’ve never entered relationships on my terms with women whom I specifically choose.
I’ve never done the whole dating thing. Lots of UK men and women haven’t.
I’ve studied several seduction artists, from RSD Tyler & Todd, to James Marshall, Sasha Daygame, Alan Roger Currie (Mode One), and finally in the last month Chase Amante. Chase puts things extremely eloquently and writes processes down in a way I can actually use.
So, I’m a recovering “nice guy”. My “process” until now has been: focus on mixing with women, being well-presented, being social, flirting, developing a really interesting life and “hoping and imagining something will happen”. This yields zero results of course as I now know (thanks to Chase). When reading Mode One, as part of one of the exercises in the book, I listed 25 cute women who in the last 4 years have been strongly interested in me, who I was interested in back. I screwed up every single one (apart from one), because I didn’t know what the hell to do, and moved far too late and in a fumbling incompetent way. After reading Chase’s eBook, I’ve now got a far better idea what to do. My next two social years at university are devoted to getting my skills with women to a high level, and dating and progressing as many women as I can.
Importantly, while my aim is always the best outcome possible, I am glad to repeatedly fail to learn. I am so sick and tired of failing with women by being indirect and beating around the bush, that now I want to fail by being more direct, so I can calibrate myself. So I find with the 3 women I’ve had dealings with recently which I’ve screwed up, I’m not getting cut up about it. I just make notes and move on! It’s thanks to Chase’s paradigm-shifting articles that I’m able to do this.
OK, my latest experience I'd really like some advice with:
Last night in the club, it’s post-exam night. High spirits. At pre-drinks and in the club, a gorgeous very feminine 19 year old girl (friend of a friend) is giving me unmistakable signals all night. With very feminine women, I find I’m able to easily be playful and charming even though they’re intimidatingly attractive. It’s the gorgeous but less-feminine and more cerebral ones that choke me up. She makes it easy for me. I move in, lots of comfortable physical contact on dance floor. I ask to walk her home, suggest we go on a date later (first time I’ve EVER asked a woman for a date), swap numbers. We make out at her door. She’s all giggles and puppy eyes. I go home.
The texting that follows however, was less-than-successful. For this reason, I have a question for you guys below!
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Early next evening, I send her a text:
“Hey Helen, so was great to meet a paleobotanist with a fascination for [xyz unusual interest]. Definitely a fresh take on the subject! Hope you made a clean escape from university halls [to go home for Christmas]? I’m still here a few days assisting in one of the laboratories, watching bugs make out. Speaking of amorous behaviour, :-D it would be cool to grab a bite to eat or something for an hour or two shortly after Christmas. What’s your availability like for then? Mike”
[Used word “amorous” bearing in mind we did make out at her door the preceding night, so I’m not introducing anything new]
She responded:
“Not left quite yet - stuck here for another hour or so. I’ll see you on London trip [communal friend’s group night out in 10 days’ time] won’t I? Be good to hang out as a group again.”
She then further responds:
“Think I’ll leave the amorous behaviour to the bugs though.”
[OUCH! COLD!]
I responded:
“Dear oh dear oh dear! :-D And I even spelt your name right :-D [We’d had a game the night before to see if I could spell her name, which is different to the given name here and quite hard to spell]. Well Helen, I’m hoping to make London yes, but I have lots of family descending for Christmas in [hometown]” so I never quite know how that period will pan out. Look if meeting up isn’t your thing, cool, have a great hol. Fun to meet you, maybe see you down South [at London group outing]!”
[I realise this response was probably a bit defensive of me, and runs the risk of sending her into auto-rejection, assuming she still had attraction. But I was bearing in mind staying a bit playful with her and keeping myself in scarcity, while demonstrating I wouldn’t chase.]
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So my question is:
- Do young possibly somewhat more reserved UK university women need more comfort-building over a longer time period, less directness, and more subtle expression of flirtation, than the general population?
- These women are highly intelligent, are from good homes and are ambitious. However, they are a little “sheltered” by some measures, and inexperienced with men. The ratio of women:men at the university is 60:40, and most of the young men just go through the “nice guy” motions and get nowhere. That leaves many lovely young women here who’ve never had boyfriends (though many have), never been in relationships, and never even been pursued in a sexual way by a capable man before. These women are nonetheless flirtatiously receptive and savvy - and they certainly know how to dress and present themselves provocatively.
Good to meet you,
Mike
I’m a mature student in my mid-thirties at a top English university. I’m surrounded by literally hundreds of 20-year-old high quality, upper-middle class, highly intelligent, beautiful women. It’s a big part of the reason I worked hard to get here, apart from furthering my career.
I’ve been in several LTRs before this with attractive women. In those LTRs, the women chased me persistently in social circle for a few months resulting in relationships. I’ve never entered relationships on my terms with women whom I specifically choose.
I’ve never done the whole dating thing. Lots of UK men and women haven’t.
I’ve studied several seduction artists, from RSD Tyler & Todd, to James Marshall, Sasha Daygame, Alan Roger Currie (Mode One), and finally in the last month Chase Amante. Chase puts things extremely eloquently and writes processes down in a way I can actually use.
So, I’m a recovering “nice guy”. My “process” until now has been: focus on mixing with women, being well-presented, being social, flirting, developing a really interesting life and “hoping and imagining something will happen”. This yields zero results of course as I now know (thanks to Chase). When reading Mode One, as part of one of the exercises in the book, I listed 25 cute women who in the last 4 years have been strongly interested in me, who I was interested in back. I screwed up every single one (apart from one), because I didn’t know what the hell to do, and moved far too late and in a fumbling incompetent way. After reading Chase’s eBook, I’ve now got a far better idea what to do. My next two social years at university are devoted to getting my skills with women to a high level, and dating and progressing as many women as I can.
Importantly, while my aim is always the best outcome possible, I am glad to repeatedly fail to learn. I am so sick and tired of failing with women by being indirect and beating around the bush, that now I want to fail by being more direct, so I can calibrate myself. So I find with the 3 women I’ve had dealings with recently which I’ve screwed up, I’m not getting cut up about it. I just make notes and move on! It’s thanks to Chase’s paradigm-shifting articles that I’m able to do this.
OK, my latest experience I'd really like some advice with:
Last night in the club, it’s post-exam night. High spirits. At pre-drinks and in the club, a gorgeous very feminine 19 year old girl (friend of a friend) is giving me unmistakable signals all night. With very feminine women, I find I’m able to easily be playful and charming even though they’re intimidatingly attractive. It’s the gorgeous but less-feminine and more cerebral ones that choke me up. She makes it easy for me. I move in, lots of comfortable physical contact on dance floor. I ask to walk her home, suggest we go on a date later (first time I’ve EVER asked a woman for a date), swap numbers. We make out at her door. She’s all giggles and puppy eyes. I go home.
The texting that follows however, was less-than-successful. For this reason, I have a question for you guys below!
=============================
Early next evening, I send her a text:
“Hey Helen, so was great to meet a paleobotanist with a fascination for [xyz unusual interest]. Definitely a fresh take on the subject! Hope you made a clean escape from university halls [to go home for Christmas]? I’m still here a few days assisting in one of the laboratories, watching bugs make out. Speaking of amorous behaviour, :-D it would be cool to grab a bite to eat or something for an hour or two shortly after Christmas. What’s your availability like for then? Mike”
[Used word “amorous” bearing in mind we did make out at her door the preceding night, so I’m not introducing anything new]
She responded:
“Not left quite yet - stuck here for another hour or so. I’ll see you on London trip [communal friend’s group night out in 10 days’ time] won’t I? Be good to hang out as a group again.”
She then further responds:
“Think I’ll leave the amorous behaviour to the bugs though.”
[OUCH! COLD!]
I responded:
“Dear oh dear oh dear! :-D And I even spelt your name right :-D [We’d had a game the night before to see if I could spell her name, which is different to the given name here and quite hard to spell]. Well Helen, I’m hoping to make London yes, but I have lots of family descending for Christmas in [hometown]” so I never quite know how that period will pan out. Look if meeting up isn’t your thing, cool, have a great hol. Fun to meet you, maybe see you down South [at London group outing]!”
[I realise this response was probably a bit defensive of me, and runs the risk of sending her into auto-rejection, assuming she still had attraction. But I was bearing in mind staying a bit playful with her and keeping myself in scarcity, while demonstrating I wouldn’t chase.]
=============================
So my question is:
- Do young possibly somewhat more reserved UK university women need more comfort-building over a longer time period, less directness, and more subtle expression of flirtation, than the general population?
- These women are highly intelligent, are from good homes and are ambitious. However, they are a little “sheltered” by some measures, and inexperienced with men. The ratio of women:men at the university is 60:40, and most of the young men just go through the “nice guy” motions and get nowhere. That leaves many lovely young women here who’ve never had boyfriends (though many have), never been in relationships, and never even been pursued in a sexual way by a capable man before. These women are nonetheless flirtatiously receptive and savvy - and they certainly know how to dress and present themselves provocatively.
Good to meet you,
Mike
Remember the only way to know if she actually likes you and is DTF is to isolate. 