Problems to get 2nd dates, help!

[ThePicker]

Hello huntmates !

I have been having many problems to get second dates and I don't know where Im screwing/what Im doing wrong.

Thus my questions are:

-What do you do after the 1st date exaclty (when do you text her?, how often?, when do you ask her out again?, do you invite her to your place this time? etc).


-What do you do on the 1st date to stand out exactly?
Could you share some canned material or routines you use? How do you provoke emotional conversations?

Thanks PUAs!

 

[ulrich]

Hi @ThePicker,

It would be a little hard to tell you my process because many parts of them are “disjointed” and change from girl to girl.
Calibration is a pretty important part of my seductions.

But I can tell you the following:
- If she is a nice sweet girl, I will usually send a message saying it was lovely to meet her and that is sweet and I really liked her. That’s 15-20 minutes after leaving.
Then a good morning text the next day.
- I ask her out again 1 or 2 days after the date.
- I used to invite them to my place on second dates but with more conservative girls that falls flat so you have to use your intuition. Do you think she will accept? Then go for it. If not, try a second date somewhere else.

I used to have problems getting second dates too and after over a year I reached the conclusion that I was saying some stuff that made me look like a player and killing my attainability.
The specific line was “I never do the bf/gf thing. For me it’s better to start as fwbs and see where it takes us.”
Girls low-key hated that and having sex on many first dates wasn’t really helping my case.

I suggest you better share what you feel it could be the problem or what kind of specific thing you do or say that doesn’t always seem to hit in a good spot and we can troubleshoot the issue.

 

[ThePicker]

Hi @ThePicker,

It would be a little hard to tell you my process because many parts of them are “disjointed” and change from girl to girl.
Calibration is a pretty important part of my seductions.

But I can tell you the following:
- If she is a nice sweet girl, I will usually send a message saying it was lovely to meet her and that is sweet and I really liked her. That’s 15-20 minutes after leaving.
Then a good morning text the next day.
- I ask her out again 1 or 2 days after the date.
- I used to invite them to my place on second dates but with more conservative girls that falls flat so you have to use your intuition. Do you think she will accept? Then go for it. If not, try a second date somewhere else.

I used to have problems getting second dates too and after over a year I reached the conclusion that I was saying some stuff that made me look like a player and killing my attainability.
The specific line was “I never do the bf/gf thing. For me it’s better to start as fwbs and see where it takes us.”
Girls low-key hated that and having sex on many first dates wasn’t really helping my case.

I suggest you better share what you feel it could be the problem or what kind of specific thing you do or say that doesn’t always seem to hit in a good spot and we can troubleshoot the issue.

Thank you Uriel!

Amazing answer!

I feel my problem might have to do with my attainability as a partner too. But Im not sure.

I will put an example which I think is very representative of my situation:

I met a girl at a very small club.

We kissed and had a deep talk, the connenction between us was high and she was comfortable talking and being with me

At some point I had to leave, and she tried to convince me to stay in a playful way.

I invited her to my place, but she didn't want to, I kept insisting in an alpha/fun/noninvasive way, at some point she was about to accept, but she finally didn't come

-I think the problem was in how I managed the texting game afterward though.

I invited her out right the day after.
(I didn't want to waste time in text talk)
She said she didn't know when she was free, without any attempt / cooperation to make the 2nd meeting happen.
(Here she still had interest in me though)

I avoided almost all the text talk and mostly focused on asking her out.
We only texted 1-3 messages each 1-2 days.

What do you think?

What do you do when 'when they don't have time' but want still show intetest/IOIs through text?

Thanks!

 

[ulrich]

Ok, I see.
Can you post the message conversation?
My hunch feeling is that you probably failed on building any kind of comfort/relatability but lest better read it first.

Also, you mention that you met her via nightgame… is this how you meet most of your girls?
What kind of phone to message rate you get from it?

 

[ulrich]

I forgot to mention, as a general rule kissing and making out in public are frowned upon here.

Making out in the club makes you look too much like a player and it usually leads to women not replying your messages and/or not wanting to see you again.
If you can’t close the deal and want to see her again, you’re better off just taking her info.

You’ll see that night game experts usually go for same night lay. That’s why.

 

[ThePicker]

Ok, I see.
Can you post the message conversation?
My hunch feeling is that you probably failed on building any kind of comfort/relatability but lest better read it first.

Also, you mention that you met her via nightgame… is this how you meet most of your girls?
What kind of phone to message rate you get from it?

I meet most of my girls through Tinder, this one has been the only one I've met through night game

I can objectively say I built comfort at the disco (there were areas with no music where you could just calmly talk).
We talked about deep topics.

However, I have been looking at the texts I sent and they certainly suck.

I will post them later so that you can give me a more accurate opition

 

[ThePicker]

I forgot to mention, as a general rule kissing and making out in public are frowned upon here.

Making out in the club makes you look too much like a player and it usually leads to women not replying your messages and/or not wanting to see you again.
If you can’t close the deal and want to see her again, you’re better off just taking her info.

You’ll see that night game experts usually go for same night lay. That’s why.

So here's the conversation:


I: Heey business woman, How many millions from your student's money did you take today?

Her: I try to keep my Sundays free so unfortunately not at all ://

I: Oh no! That's terrible. . .
I: Listen, Im tired of this weather, let's run away together!

Her: hahaha run where?

I: To some tropical warm beach, surrounded by mojitos and coconuts
I: Obviously

Her: Hmm
Her: Sounds pretty ok
Her: Thou I love this time when spring is subtly coming

I: Well, it can be a tropical polish warm island
I: But we must meet up to plan it. What afternoons/nights are you free this week?

Her: Oh well that's a tough question

I: for now I am free in the weekend ^^

Her: But I don't think I am though

I: oh okay heavy money-maker haha. I'll write to you on sat or sun then to find out a common day
I: I dislike texting so much hahaha
I: Do you think you will beat me at chess?

Her: I don't know haha wanna find out?

I: We'll find out. If you win I'll give you a reward

Her: I mean I wanted to propose a quick match on chess.com

I: oh really
I: well that sounds cool. Gimme 10 mins
I: okay In ready

Her: Im not though xD

I: Well it'll be cooler when face to face too
I: so that I can see how cute you are when you win me
I: Good night

Her: I mean we can just play tomorrow

I: Yeah but then I thought it'd be funnier in person and betting something
I: Let me know when you figure out your schedule

*3 days went by*

I: Are you going to be in this crazy techno place tonight?

Her: I don't think anything is happening tonight there thou
Her: But anyway, Im on vacation from everything now so xD

I: Today Ive had the weirdest day ever
I: Oh really, you also take vacations from partying haha thats def fun haha

Her: Generally from people I think haha
Her: Why did you have a weird day?

I: oh really haha in what sense, I feel identified haha

*4 days went by*

I: Crazy teacher, are you up to a chess game tonight!

Her: Only if it's online chess thou

I: Yeah I meant online
I: I think Im going to have to be fully locked at home from Mon to Frid so

Her: Ohh, why?

I: Im just crazy and got busy with too many things
I: So are you still in for the game?

Her: I can try but I don't promise it'll be my best game thou xD
Her: chess.com?

*texts about the game*

I: and you can be my finance teacher!

Her: I know shit about finance thou xD

I: Actually same with me about psych
I: How come you are awake so late? I thought I was the only one in this country who is awake at 04am

Her: Im believing more in my knowledge from psychology than this from finances xD
Her: idk just happened nothing new thou

I: you told me you could never sleep at nights, right
I: Damn we'd be a bad influence for each other, we'd never sleep at all

*2-3 days went by*

I: heey, I will go to X this weekend, do you wanna join me?

*11 days went by*

I: Do you feel like playing poker or chess or smth or are you scared?
I: I don't know if you'll be brave enough

Her: Like now?

I: mm what about doing so in person, on the beach, with this sunny weather, this week ^^

Her: To be honest
Her: My life is a total chaos lately so i don't even know if I'd be able to find time


and everything ended here, I never wrote back again.

 

[ulrich]

So here's the conversation:


I: Heey business woman, How many millions from your student's money did you take today?

Her: I try to keep my Sundays free so unfortunately not at all ://

I: Oh no! That's terrible. . .
I: Listen, Im tired of this weather, let's run away together!

Her: hahaha run where?

I: To some tropical warm beach, surrounded by mojitos and coconuts
I: Obviously

Her: Hmm
Her: Sounds pretty ok
Her: Thou I love this time when spring is subtly coming

I: Well, it can be a tropical polish warm island
I: But we must meet up to plan it. What afternoons/nights are you free this week?

Her: Oh well that's a tough question

I: for now I am free in the weekend ^^

Her: But I don't think I am though

I: oh okay heavy money-maker haha. I'll write to you on sat or sun then to find out a common day
I: I dislike texting so much hahaha
I: Do you think you will beat me at chess?

Her: I don't know haha wanna find out?

I: We'll find out. If you win I'll give you a reward

Her: I mean I wanted to propose a quick match on chess.com

I: oh really
I: well that sounds cool. Gimme 10 mins
I: okay In ready

Her: Im not though xD

I: Well it'll be cooler when face to face too
I: so that I can see how cute you are when you win me
I: Good night

Her: I mean we can just play tomorrow

I: Yeah but then I thought it'd be funnier in person and betting something
I: Let me know when you figure out your schedule

*3 days went by*

I: Are you going to be in this crazy techno place tonight?

Her: I don't think anything is happening tonight there thou
Her: But anyway, Im on vacation from everything now so xD

I: Today Ive had the weirdest day ever
I: Oh really, you also take vacations from partying haha thats def fun haha

Her: Generally from people I think haha
Her: Why did you have a weird day?

I: oh really haha in what sense, I feel identified haha

*4 days went by*

I: Crazy teacher, are you up to a chess game tonight!

Her: Only if it's online chess thou

I: Yeah I meant online
I: I think Im going to have to be fully locked at home from Mon to Frid so

Her: Ohh, why?

I: Im just crazy and got busy with too many things
I: So are you still in for the game?

Her: I can try but I don't promise it'll be my best game thou xD
Her: chess.com?

*texts about the game*

I: and you can be my finance teacher!

Her: I know shit about finance thou xD

I: Actually same with me about psych
I: How come you are awake so late? I thought I was the only one in this country who is awake at 04am

Her: Im believing more in my knowledge from psychology than this from finances xD
Her: idk just happened nothing new thou

I: you told me you could never sleep at nights, right
I: Damn we'd be a bad influence for each other, we'd never sleep at all

*2-3 days went by*

I: heey, I will go to X this weekend, do you wanna join me?

*11 days went by*

I: Do you feel like playing poker or chess or smth or are you scared?
I: I don't know if you'll be brave enough

Her: Like now?

I: mm what about doing so in person, on the beach, with this sunny weather, this week ^^

Her: To be honest
Her: My life is a total chaos lately so i don't even know if I'd be able to find time


and everything ended here, I never wrote back again.

Actually you did pretty decently. Congratulations.

Your big mistakes were:
1) Not insisting on the date
2) Waiting too much

You seemed more insistent on playing chess online that getting an actual date. I guess you wanted to not be too pushy but playing chess can feel boring even if you’re a fan so that’s not making you win points.

It was cool that when she rejected the date the first time you changed the subject, you don’t want to be too pushy but you didn’t bring it back later so that was wrong.

Personally I think you should have insisted for a date one or two days admirer your first invite.
If it’s one week since you met and you haven’t dated it’s already a low chance opportunity.
If it’s two weeks, that’s a dead lead.

You could have also called her.

Next time try to seed the date (“I know this amazing Chinese place”, “There’s this great coffee downtown”) and don’t kiss in public.
That should up your chances.

But it wasn’t bad, good work.

 

[ThePicker]

So here's the conversation:


I: Heey business woman, How many millions from your student's money did you take today?

Her: I try to keep my Sundays free so unfortunately not at all ://

I: Oh no! That's terrible. . .
I: Listen, Im tired of this weather, let's run away together!

Her: hahaha run where?

I: To some tropical warm beach, surrounded by mojitos and coconuts
I: Obviously

Her: Hmm
Her: Sounds pretty ok
Her: Thou I love this time when spring is subtly coming

I: Well, it can be a tropical polish warm island
I: But we must meet up to plan it. What afternoons/nights are you free this week?

Her: Oh well that's a tough question

I: for now I am free in the weekend ^^

Her: But I don't think I am though

I: oh okay heavy money-maker haha. I'll write to you on sat or sun then to find out a common day
I: I dislike texting so much hahaha
I: Do you think you will beat me at chess?

Her: I don't know haha wanna find out?

I: We'll find out. If you win I'll give you a reward

Her: I mean I wanted to propose a quick match on chess.com

I: oh really
I: well that sounds cool. Gimme 10 mins
I: okay In ready

Her: Im not though xD

I: Well it'll be cooler when face to face too
I: so that I can see how cute you are when you win me
I: Good night

Her: I mean we can just play tomorrow

I: Yeah but then I thought it'd be funnier in person and betting something
I: Let me know when you figure out your schedule

*3 days went by*

I: Are you going to be in this crazy techno place tonight?

Her: I don't think anything is happening tonight there thou
Her: But anyway, Im on vacation from everything now so xD

I: Today Ive had the weirdest day ever
I: Oh really, you also take vacations from partying haha thats def fun haha

Her: Generally from people I think haha
Her: Why did you have a weird day?

I: oh really haha in what sense, I feel identified haha

*4 days went by*

I: Crazy teacher, are you up to a chess game tonight!

Her: Only if it's online chess thou

I: Yeah I meant online
I: I think Im going to have to be fully locked at home from Mon to Frid so

Her: Ohh, why?

I: Im just crazy and got busy with too many things
I: So are you still in for the game?

Her: I can try but I don't promise it'll be my best game thou xD
Her: chess.com?

*texts about the game*

I: and you can be my finance teacher!

Her: I know shit about finance thou xD

I: Actually same with me about psych
I: How come you are awake so late? I thought I was the only one in this country who is awake at 04am

Her: Im believing more in my knowledge from psychology than this from finances xD
Her: idk just happened nothing new thou

I: you told me you could never sleep at nights, right
I: Damn we'd be a bad influence for each other, we'd never sleep at all

*2-3 days went by*

I: heey, I will go to X this weekend, do you wanna join me?

*11 days went by*

I: Do you feel like playing poker or chess or smth or are you scared?
I: I don't know if you'll be brave enough

Her: Like now?

I: mm what about doing so in person, on the beach, with this sunny weather, this week ^^

Her: To be honest
Her: My life is a total chaos lately so i don't even know if I'd be able to find time


and everything ended here, I never wrote back again.

Actually you did pretty decently. Congratulations.

Your big mistakes were:
1) Not insisting on the date
2) Waiting too much

You seemed more insistent on playing chess online that getting an actual date. I guess you wanted to not be too pushy but playing chess can feel boring even if you’re a fan so that’s not making you win points.

It was cool that when she rejected the date the first time you changed the subject, you don’t want to be too pushy but you didn’t bring it back later so that was wrong.

Personally I think you should have insisted for a date one or two days admirer your first invite.
If it’s one week since you met and you haven’t dated it’s already a low chance opportunity.
If it’s two weeks, that’s a dead lead.

You could have also called her.

Next time try to seed the date (“I know this amazing Chinese place”, “There’s this great coffee downtown”) and don’t kiss in public.
That should up your chances.

But it wasn’t bad, good work.

Thank you very much for the feedback !
I appreciate it

 

[POB]

I: Heey business woman, How many millions from your student's money did you take today?
Ok, ping and tease

Her: I try to keep my Sundays free so unfortunately not at all ://

I: Oh no! That's terrible. . .
I: Nice, gotta take that break and recharge (comply, it's not "terrible" to take sundays off)
I: Listen, Im tired of this weather, let's run away together!

Her: hahaha run where?
Good, got her invested

I: To some tropical warm beach, surrounded by mojitos and coconuts
I: Obviously (for fucks sake, don't be LAZY!!! Women are all about feelings...just take the damn cue she gave you and put you and her together in that paradise scenario = projection in her mind = another date = sex)
I: Now close your eyes and picture you and me walking in the sand....the weather is clear, sun is bathing our bodies with the right amount of warmth. We get closer and start to feel a soft sweat...temperature is hot, but still perfect. You are wearing your nicest bikini and looking super sexy. I take a look and your skin is glowing under the sunlight that's penetrating the shade from the tree leafs. All I can do is smile at you like a fool....just can't resist that feminine charm (devil emoji). We are chatting and having fun while sipping our drinks, swallowing the right amount of liquor to relax and enjoying life.
I: Damn, feels good doesn't it?

Her: Hmm
Her: Sounds pretty ok
Her: Thou I love this time when spring is subtly coming
(see, you left her hanging, she lost track and gave you polite)

I: Well, it can be a tropical polish warm island
I: But we must meet up to plan it. What afternoons/nights are you free this week?
(shes not that invested to soft close...Skills is right, guys ALWAYS soft close in low-point...now that you know, don't ever do that again! get her invested first, than soft close)

Her: Oh well that's a tough question
(translation, I don't know what to do cause I'm not feeling it yet)

I: for now I am free in the weekend ^^
(again trying to close, and weaker, why?)

Her: But I don't think I am though
(she won't go out with you in her free time until you make her invest, period)

I: oh okay heavy money-maker haha. I'll write to you on sat or sun then to find out a common day
I: I dislike texting so much hahaha
(now you are almost begging...cut that off ASAP)
I: Do you think you will beat me at chess?
(ok, change subject, cool...but see a better option below)

Her: I don't know haha wanna find out?
(shes BEGGING you to make her invest more )

I: We'll find out. If you win I'll give you a reward
(why? forget rewards, her reward is you are giving her your precious time)

Her: I mean I wanted to propose a quick match on chess.com
(ok, now she's just using your time cause she's bored...when that happens, you punish with a bit of trolling...make it clear YOU ARE NOT going to be her friend)

I: Cool!!! But I'm a high rolling hustler who just plays live chess
I: And the bets must be high missy...like pieces of clothes dropping when someone looses a match...first one in underwear must give a lap dance to the winner (3x fire emoji)

I: oh really
I: well that sounds cool. Gimme 10 mins
I: okay In ready
(begging)

Her: Im not though xD
(like, ok, I know you are free, now I can do whatever)

I: Well it'll be cooler when face to face too
I: so that I can see how cute you are when you win me
I: Good night
(begging)

Her: I mean we can just play tomorrow
(friendzoned for the win)

I: Yeah but then I thought it'd be funnier in person and betting something
I: Let me know when you figure out your schedule
(begging again, "look, I have all the time in the world to do what you want, please waste it")

You need to work on more than your texts:
- show yourself as a sexual being....from the first minute of the first line show you don't wanna be friends, ...you wanna seduce and fuck her
- ping > make her invest > wait for high point > soft close > hard close (this is the right sequence, look for the Skills posts who teach that)
- text with intent! Don't be lazy, write more, touch her feelings....be lightly sexual and force her to react to your texts

 

[ThePicker]

I: Heey business woman, How many millions from your student's money did you take today?
Ok, ping and tease

Her: I try to keep my Sundays free so unfortunately not at all ://

I: Oh no! That's terrible. . .
I: Nice, gotta take that break and recharge (comply, it's not "terrible" to take sundays off)
I: Listen, Im tired of this weather, let's run away together!

Her: hahaha run where?
Good, got her invested

I: To some tropical warm beach, surrounded by mojitos and coconuts
I: Obviously (for fucks sake, don't be LAZY!!! Women are all about feelings...just take the damn cue she gave you and put you and her together in that paradise scenario = projection in her mind = another date = sex)
I: Now close your eyes and picture you and me walking in the sand....the weather is clear, sun is bathing our bodies with the right amount of warmth. We get closer and start to feel a soft sweat...temperature is hot, but still perfect. You are wearing your nicest bikini and looking super sexy. I take a look and your skin is glowing under the sunlight that's penetrating the shade from the tree leafs. All I can do is smile at you like a fool....just can't resist that feminine charm (devil emoji). We are chatting and having fun while sipping our drinks, swallowing the right amount of liquor to relax and enjoying life.
I: Damn, feels good doesn't it?

Her: Hmm
Her: Sounds pretty ok
Her: Thou I love this time when spring is subtly coming
(see, you left her hanging, she lost track and gave you polite)

I: Well, it can be a tropical polish warm island
I: But we must meet up to plan it. What afternoons/nights are you free this week?
(shes not that invested to soft close...Skills is right, guys ALWAYS soft close in low-point...now that you know, don't ever do that again! get her invested first, than soft close)

Her: Oh well that's a tough question
(translation, I don't know what to do cause I'm not feeling it yet)

I: for now I am free in the weekend ^^
(again trying to close, and weaker, why?)

Her: But I don't think I am though
(she won't go out with you in her free time until you make her invest, period)

I: oh okay heavy money-maker haha. I'll write to you on sat or sun then to find out a common day
I: I dislike texting so much hahaha
(now you are almost begging...cut that off ASAP)
I: Do you think you will beat me at chess?
(ok, change subject, cool...but see a better option below)

Her: I don't know haha wanna find out?
(shes BEGGING you to make her invest more )

I: We'll find out. If you win I'll give you a reward
(why? forget rewards, her reward is you are giving her your precious time)

Her: I mean I wanted to propose a quick match on chess.com
(ok, now she's just using your time cause she's bored...when that happens, you punish with a bit of trolling...make it clear YOU ARE NOT going to be her friend)

I: Cool!!! But I'm a high rolling hustler who just plays live chess
I: And the bets must be high missy...like pieces of clothes dropping when someone looses a match...first one in underwear must give a lap dance to the winner (3x fire emoji)

I: oh really
I: well that sounds cool. Gimme 10 mins
I: okay In ready
(begging)

Her: Im not though xD
(like, ok, I know you are free, now I can do whatever)

I: Well it'll be cooler when face to face too
I: so that I can see how cute you are when you win me
I: Good night
(begging)

Her: I mean we can just play tomorrow
(friendzoned for the win)

I: Yeah but then I thought it'd be funnier in person and betting something
I: Let me know when you figure out your schedule
(begging again, "look, I have all the time in the world to do what you want, please waste it")

You need to work on more than your texts:
- show yourself as a sexual being....from the first minute of the first line show you don't wanna be friends, ...you wanna seduce and fuck her
- ping > make her invest > wait for high point > soft close > hard close (this is the right sequence, look for the Skills posts who teach that)
- text with intent! Don't be lazy, write more, touch her feelings....be lightly sexual and force her to react to your texts

Wow! Interesting approach !

Definetily, thanks !

I get what you mean, I get the idea.

I just have a few questions at that regard:

-So it's basically about being fun + making her invest, right? Where Im lost is, what do we mean exactly by 'investing' in the texting-game context?

-how can I make her invest exactly?

-Won't that sexual vibe activate her shields?

-And most importantly:
Always coming up with fun and witty messages is difficult, we might not be always in that 'super witty and fun' mood.
What do you do about it?


Ps:
-by the way, what's your % of first dates that agree to a second date?
I just want to compare mine with other people's, to see how much I am underperforming and how much room I have left to improve.

Big thanks !

 

[ThePicker]

Actually you did pretty decently. Congratulations.

Your big mistakes were:
1) Not insisting on the date
2) Waiting too much

You seemed more insistent on playing chess online that getting an actual date. I guess you wanted to not be too pushy but playing chess can feel boring even if you’re a fan so that’s not making you win points.

It was cool that when she rejected the date the first time you changed the subject, you don’t want to be too pushy but you didn’t bring it back later so that was wrong.

Personally I think you should have insisted for a date one or two days admirer your first invite.
If it’s one week since you met and you haven’t dated it’s already a low chance opportunity.
If it’s two weeks, that’s a dead lead.

You could have also called her.

Next time try to seed the date (“I know this amazing Chinese place”, “There’s this great coffee downtown”) and don’t kiss in public.
That should up your chances.

But it wasn’t bad, good work.

by the way, what's your % of first dates that agree to a second date?
I just want to compare mine with other people's, to see how much I am underperforming and how much room I have left to improve.

Big thanks !

 

[ulrich]

by the way, what's your % of first dates that agree to a second date?
I just want to compare mine with other people's, to see how much I am underperforming and how much room I have left to improve.

Big thanks !

It used to be about 15% which I think it’s terrible but then I found that I was saying something specific during dates that was killing my attainability.
I corrected it and the next girl I dated became my girlfriend so… not sure what to say hahaha

 

[POB]

Wow! Interesting approach !

Definetily, thanks !

No problem!
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude, I tried to improve some answers but the site gave me an error

I get what you mean, I get the idea.

I just have a few questions at that regard:

-So it's basically about being fun + making her invest, right? Where Im lost is, what do we mean exactly by 'investing' in the texting-game context?

-how can I make her invest exactly?

-Won't that sexual vibe activate her shields?

Fun: I do fun for me, not her.
Texting is boring by nature, so if I have to do it, I do it with a little spin so it does not feel like a chore.
Plus it shows I have some personality, which puts me ahead of all the other wannabes trying to get inside her panties

Investing: Means you gave her something of value and she wants more of it. Does not have to be a story...take something you both like (chess, for example) and send her a cool chess video with a funny remark. (e.g. Wow, just look at what Hikaru is doing in this clip - send her the clip) Now you both have something to talk about. And don't be afraid to tell stories, especially if you can add a little sexual spice to them.

Sexual Vibe: No shields are raised if you do it in a funny trolling way. Do you think she would take my hustler chess lines seriously? And if she does, for fucks sake, she is dumber than a door.

Chances are she is gonna find it funny picturing you both doing it (which is a win) or be left in doubt if you are serious or not (which you can amplify to absurd levels and turn into an advantage)...both are good because they are conveying you feel natural talking about sex, which is the point.

If she is a prude and feels offended, good, you didn't waste your time on some chick who does not wanna get laid.

-And most importantly:
Always coming up with fun and witty messages is difficult, we might not be always in that 'super witty and fun' mood.
What do you do about it?

You don't have to...I just gave you an example.
There are more dry ways to do it (If I'm not mistaken Velasco is like that texting).

What you have to pay attention to is the structure.:
open > banter > high point > soft close > hard close.

You NEVER ask her out when she is not invested and complying to what you text (it may be fast and you pull an insta date, it may take weeks or months....this is why you must be talking to at least 3 girls at the same time...more is better...you just keep pinging them).

Go back and read what you wrote. You asked her out on a Sunday, when she said she was off and resting.
You managed to pick her interest in the first line, but after that it was her telling you she was resting and you kept trying to change her mind asking her out left and right like a puppy.

This "3 message" shit used to work back in 2013. Not anymore.
Now you have to really talk to her , elicit good feelings and be ready to capitalize when the window gets opened.

 

[Baron]

Here goes my first contribution to this forum, and it looks like I'll be going against the grain here. What you have is a time-wasting, energy sucking bitch.

My question is this: do you really give a fk about playing chess with this girl, flying to tropical islands and all that shit? If you do fine, write that stuff. If not, first text, just a basic name/nickname + nice to meet you type message followed by date proposal (e.g. When do you want to meet for a drink Thursday or Friday?) If she's unavailable on your proposed days but wants to meet you, she'll suggest something else.

If she's acting flaky and you attempt to "build interest" over text the way you're doing it, you're running the risk of her wasting your god damn time and you coming across as needy and too much of a pussy to get to the point (she knows what you really want after all).

If you met her in a club, especially a meat market type venue where she was prob hit on by a ton of guys, there's a good chance she's gonna flake anyway - that's why a previous poster pointed out that night game experts try to aim for the same night lay.

 

[Skills]

Hello huntmates !

I have been having many problems to get second dates and I don't know where Im screwing/what Im doing wrong.

Thus my questions are:

-What do you do after the 1st date exaclty (when do you text her?, how often?, when do you ask her out again?, do you invite her to your place this time? etc).


-What do you do on the 1st date to stand out exactly?
Could you share some canned material or routines you use? How do you provoke emotional conversations?

Thanks PUAs!

if you want to increase your odds on the first date, you need to follow something that i called "the 3 bounce method", i even made a video showing step by step how i do it, i pretty much laid almost every girl i dated doing that and the same with everyone i taught it to including none puas... If you don't have the lay 100% locked after doing so... I Do a second 3 bounce method in a different location....

After the date just ask her: do me a favor text me when you get home to make sure you made it ok.... simple...

p.s. look for my archives ALL of my calls and text type post, look at the sample for different players and explanation, then field test...

 

[ThePicker]

No problem!
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude, I tried to improve some answers but the site gave me an error

Fun: I do fun for me, not her.
Texting is boring by nature, so if I have to do it, I do it with a little spin so it does not feel like a chore.
Plus it shows I have some personality, which puts me ahead of all the other wannabes trying to get inside her panties

Investing: Means you gave her something of value and she wants more of it. Does not have to be a story...take something you both like (chess, for example) and send her a cool chess video with a funny remark. (e.g. Wow, just look at what Hikaru is doing in this clip - send her the clip) Now you both have something to talk about. And don't be afraid to tell stories, especially if you can add a little sexual spice to them.

Sexual Vibe: No shields are raised if you do it in a funny trolling way. Do you think she would take my hustler chess lines seriously? And if she does, for fucks sake, she is dumber than a door.

Chances are she is gonna find it funny picturing you both doing it (which is a win) or be left in doubt if you are serious or not (which you can amplify to absurd levels and turn into an advantage)...both are good because they are conveying you feel natural talking about sex, which is the point.

If she is a prude and feels offended, good, you didn't waste your time on some chick who does not wanna get laid.


You don't have to...I just gave you an example.
There are more dry ways to do it (If I'm not mistaken Velasco is like that texting).

What you have to pay attention to is the structure.:
open > banter > high point > soft close > hard close.

You NEVER ask her out when she is not invested and complying to what you text (it may be fast and you pull an insta date, it may take weeks or months....this is why you must be talking to at least 3 girls at the same time...more is better...you just keep pinging them).

Go back and read what you wrote. You asked her out on a Sunday, when she said she was off and resting.
You managed to pick her interest in the first line, but after that it was her telling you she was resting and you kept trying to change her mind asking her out left and right like a puppy.

This "3 message" shit used to work back in 2013. Not anymore.
Now you have to really talk to her , elicit good feelings and be ready to capitalize when the window gets opened.

Thank you for your advice !

 

[ThePicker]

if you want to increase your odds on the first date, you need to follow something that i called "the 3 bounce method", i even made a video showing step by step how i do it, i pretty much laid almost every girl i dated doing that and the same with everyone i taught it to including none puas... If you don't have the lay 100% locked after doing so... I Do a second 3 bounce method in a different location....

After the date just ask her: do me a favor text me when you get home to make sure you made it ok.... simple...

p.s. look for my archives ALL of my calls and text type post, look at the sample for different players and explanation, then field test...

Thank you! I'll ckeck it out

 

[POB]

Here goes my first contribution to this forum, and it looks like I'll be going against the grain here. What you have is a time-wasting, energy sucking bitch.

All women are time wasters by nature. That's not enough reason to call them bitches.

My question is this: do you really give a fk about playing chess with this girl, flying to tropical islands and all that shit?

Maybe you and I don't, but she does. Don't need to talk in length about those types of subjects, but a little compliance is always good to increase your chances.

If you do fine, write that stuff.

You don't need to write all the time. Just take a quiet moment, write everything at once and copy and paste to all the girls you are talking too.

If not, first text, just a basic name/nickname + nice to meet you type message followed by date proposal (e.g. When do you want to meet for a drink Thursday or Friday?) If she's unavailable on your proposed days but wants to meet you, she'll suggest something else.

There a several examples of texting to raise interest, which is the sticking point of the OP. Just "hey X, let's meet and greet" has lower odds after first date/first lay.

If she's acting flaky and you attempt to "build interest" over text the way you're doing it, you're running the risk of her wasting your god damn time and you coming across as needy and too much of a pussy to get to the point (she knows what you really want after all).

In the example given by the OP, she was not acting flaky. She was resting on Sunday. Even so his first lines managed to pick her interest.

If you met her in a club, especially a meat market type venue where she was prob hit on by a ton of guys, there's a good chance she's gonna flake anyway - that's why a previous poster pointed out that night game experts try to aim for the same night lay.

One more reason to put a little extra sauce on your texting.

 

[Baron]

In the example given by the OP, she was not acting flaky. She was resting on Sunday.

Sorry but you need to read the entire interaction again. He asked her out a total of three three times and got a vague (= flaky) response each time: 1) What afternoons/nights are you free this week? 2) hey, I will go to X this weekend, do you wanna join me? 3) mm what about doing so in person, on the beach, with this sunny weather, this week.

If she was interested, she'd either have reciprocated or suggested an alternative plan, not give these vague, non-responses.

Overall she might be indulging him out of politeness or for the attention, either way the end result is that she's wasting his time, assuming his end goal is sex and not to make a platonic friend. And who knows, she might be banging some dude already, showing him the convo and having a chuckle. I've seen that myself plenty of times from former fk buddies. So, yes, I believe the label "time-wasting bitch" is appropriate. But I'm not suggesting the OP should be angry or bitter since he invited this kind of behaviour with his vague communication style. She might be a bitch to him, but a sweetheart to sb else.

Maybe you and I don't, but syhe does.

It's ironic that I'm labelling her a "bitch" but you're insulting her intelligence. Unless she's very naive, she knows what he wants from her, so she's gonna see right through that. By appealing to her interests to get in her pants, she'll perceive that as weak and more likely to friend zone him. Ironically, she'd more likely be turned on sexually if he had said (in the club) "I don't give a fk about chess, I just wanna get in your pants." I guess this forum is heavily biased towards indirect game.

There a several examples of texting to raise interest

But you still risk allowing her to play along and waste your time in the end ... unless you're suggesting these examples work every time. At this point, I think he should just leave her alone and move on. It's a long shot, but his silence might motivate her to want to meet up more than any more texting would.