Process - Trouble Shooting Your Game

[Franco]

Hi fox21296,

I had this same issue for awhile when I first started out. I had an extremely high hit percentage with getting phone numbers from women, so I knew that my opening game was pretty on point. However, I also had a very low hit percentage with these women actually meeting up with me for a date.

I started analyzing all of my interactions, and I realized that the few numbers that were getting me dates were the ones with the women I had obtained compliance from and got them to move with me.

Are you actually moving all of these women that you are getting phone numbers from?

- Franco

 

[Franco]

Hey fox,

Moving definitely has to be on your terms. In fact, moving with her to where she wants to go sets a subtle frame that you're chasing, so you might want to re-consider engaging women who are moving until you're confident in your ability to get compliance from them easily.

If you DO happen to engage a woman who is moving though, you can set a very powerful frame by stopping her from where she is going and convincing her that she should follow your lead to another destination (chosen by you) instead.

I would make an effort to try moving every single girl you meet before you get her number and text her for a date. Let me know the results. =)

- Franco

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting thoughts however how would I apply that to day game when the girl is genuinely busy? Let's say not in a real rush but having to go somewhere anyway?

The other interesting thing is that all the dates I've gotten I haven't sought any compliance (apart from questions about her). But if i get a chance to move her I definitely will try it but at that rate it'll become an instant date anyway.

 

[stratvm]

i just recently started getting phone numbers, got only 3 in the last 3 weeks but.

out of the 3 - 2 were absolutely quality, 1 resulted in last 5% failure, 1 is a promising date next week and well the 3rd one is active still BUT the 2 dating numbers were both results of compliance stuff.

i dont know why this works but it works. what i noticed though is that getting ANY compliance from women is very hard unless they clearly wanted you to approach them.

and even if i go to them because they were smiling and staring at me it`s not consistent. i think they regret it though when you leave. at least a russian girl i went to yesterday in the bar seemed clearly devastated. maybe they are not used to men doing things like this and they got used to commanding men instead of being commanded?

 

[Chase]

@ Fractals,

Interesting thoughts however how would I apply that to day game when the girl is genuinely busy? Let's say not in a real rush but having to go somewhere anyway?

An easy one is to preface your compliance / request demand with a reality pacing statement. e.g., "I know you're busy, just step over here for a minute and..." "I know you're in a hurry, but sit down here with me for a minute, I'll let you go in two minutes, cross my heart."

@ stratvm,

i just recently started getting phone numbers, got only 3 in the last 3 weeks but.

out of the 3 - 2 were absolutely quality, 1 resulted in last 5% failure, 1 is a promising date next week and well the 3rd one is active still BUT the 2 dating numbers were both results of compliance stuff.

i dont know why this works but it works. what i noticed though is that getting ANY compliance from women is very hard unless they clearly wanted you to approach them.

and even if i go to them because they were smiling and staring at me it`s not consistent. i think they regret it though when you leave. at least a russian girl i went to yesterday in the bar seemed clearly devastated. maybe they are not used to men doing things like this and they got used to commanding men instead of being commanded?

Great observations. Compliance is strong and effective stuff, no doubt.

One thing I'll caution you about though is deriving too much pleasure from walking off leaving a girl stunned that she lost you. It may feel a bit empowering... but you still didn't get the girl.

I know, because I did this early on, until I had a friend point out to me that I was being silly letting girls go who liked me simply to make a statement. Essentially, if she likes you enough to miss you or regret it if you go, she likes you enough to move forward with you if you ask her the right way.

So... instead of make her regret losing her (and then you don't get her anyway)... see if you can figure out a way to get her to comply (and then maybe you DO get her!).

Ciao,
Chase

 

[Marty]

I love the reality pacing statement. I love this whole thread. Of 33 good solid cold approaches (meaning I made my intentions unmistakably apparent and requested a date) I got 11 phone numbers, but only two dates. I'd be willing to bet money that obtaining compliance, especially by moving girls, would increase my conversion rate.

I'm toying with actually using the reality pacing statement within an opener, where the approach angle is tricky, e.g. she's getting her phone out, but you won't get a second chance: "I can see you're just about to make an important call, but I just felt I had to tell you ... you really have the loveliest eyes. I'm Marty." Think I'll try this a few times and see what happens!