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It's my 4th day in college now and I have changed my attitude towards this whole thing and am starting to really progress in cold approach.
Marked Improvements
-No Approach Anxiety whatsoever (no matter how amazing she is)
-I reach the hook very frequently with girls
-My opening basics are better- I open across my body situationaly and effortlessly and draw the girl in with a warm smile
-I am no longer using creeper fundamentals, I stand tall and make solid confident eye contact and emit a comfortable vibe because I no longer fear girls (they're cute and silly and I have trouble taking them seriously)
Where I Need to Improve
-I never use touch
-I never sexual frame the conversation verbally or non verbally
-I hit a point in the conversation where the girl will mention something like "I wanna work for the FBI in the cyber crime prevention department" I ask why she replies "Because I just love the competition and the danger of knowing you're up against someone and can destroy them." Things like this throw me off balance and I have no idea what to do so I try to make a quick cold read like "damn, your'e fiesty and love risk" then move on to something else... and it doesn't feel right, she gave me alot to work with and I did nothing with it, no qualifying or sex framing (I'm sure somethings there) I just don't know what to do.
-Sometimes I talk when she stops talking for a quick mini pause and we both cut each other off and that kinda makes things awkward, but my calmness and slow pace helps resolve that
-My voice fundamentals need work, I don't talk with a deep voice that purrs enough and sometimes I speed up my speech, so I need to slow down my speech in the entire interaction not just the beginning
- Overall I just feel I start strong then fizzle out, I feel like I'm running out of things to get her talking and maybe that I'm deep diving too much too fast then I try to relate to what she says or cold read her rather than fire off another deep diving question and things get thrown off, you know like "why do you want to study that major?" then "Why do you feel that way" then I feel like I fired off two questions in a row already and now need to not question her, then I say something and it's kinda wacky in that it doesn't progress the interaction. So maybe I need something to do after I've deep dove a bit on something when my gut tells me to slow down on it, do something else then come back to this topic and resume the deep dive
I REALLY enjoy talking to new girls and wake up really happy in the morning to start my day and go to classes to study what I love and to progress from the last day ex. yesterday I opened a girl or two and found out their major, the next day- I made a plan of action and opened another and reached the hook with her, next day- I opened a really pretty girl and we chatted non sexually for 13 minutes in line at the help desk, next day I hope to inject some sexual framing. This constant leveling up feels like a video game and it really is addictive and fun and now I need some help (cheat codes) to reach the next level in my game.
So now here's some field reports from days past:
Victoria in the Book Store Line
I had to go to the campus bookstore to get a textbook to start my homework for math class and when I went to the line it was empty except for one cute white girl with blonde hair, about 5'4" skinnier than most girls with some curves... and a face that's not ugly, I think her face was cute. She wore dark skinny jeans a t-shirt and converses and she seemed to be deep in thought when I approached
ME: (Walk over, prepare for the approach with a small warm smile to spread upon opening and I face my body a bit away from her) Hey there, are you a freshman?
HER: (She looks up at me and returns my smile) No, I'm actually a Junior
ME: Cool...(I look away for a second rather than hold eye contact with a neutral face) I'm Josh
Her: I'm Victoria (I extend my hand and she looks at it for a second, then takes it and I just feel its warmth while I hold it and feel happy to be with her)
ME: So what are you...( she is called to go to the cashier and she looks at me like she wants to continue the conversation but I motion for her to checkout and she does, then walks away and I say bye)
I go over to the cashier next, ring up and there's a problem with the barcode so I have to go over to the info desk and Victoria is standing over there waiting for service, so I join her and pick up where I left off
MEreapproach with a warm smile) So what's your major?
Her: (awakens from her deep thought and speaks) I study Computer Science and coding (or something with computers, I forget)
ME: Oh that's actually really cool, I don't really hear of many girls where I'm from who study that
Her: Where are you from? (she is now trying to find out about me)
ME: I'm from Miami, so what made you want to go into that major?
Herpoints body at me fully now and looks at me frankly as if to tell the honest truth) Well I want to work for the FBI in the anti cybercrime division so it's just the competition of it and knowing that I'm up against a real human trying to defeat them
ME: (I look at her and nod approvingly) Yeah... (not knowing what to say I try to do some weird form of qualifying) Damn, that's really cool, (I should've said something like "I would've never taken you for the competitive dangerous type" then maybe implored how else she takes risks and maybe go into a sex frame with her being adventurous with the men she meets) you like danger and excitement
Herwe make eye contact and a confident pause ensues where we both know this conversation isn't yet over) So what major are you in?
ME: Car Design, or Transportation Design
Her: Oh, I have a brother... no friend..... yeah friend! who does that, I know you must have to do a TON of car sketches
ME: Yeah, but I'm prepared for that I come from a high school that loaded on the work (I maybe could've used this to smoothly deep dive her and mention that the heavy workload is cool because I love what I do, and you just tend to never be bothered when you're doing something you genuinely love doing, then turned it to her and asked how she feels when deep in combat with a hacker, then qualify her on an honest answer and maybe touch her and commend her for being a bit different from the other girls, so I missed that opportunity)
Her: yeah... (things felt awkward then took a turn for the worst as the people at the info desk brought her package from the back and she bid me farewell, most likely because we hit a low point) in retrospect I should used this as an opportunity to assert dominance and command her saying "Wait, come back I want to talk to you for one more minute" then ask where she's from and maybe sex frame off of that by saying something like "oh, your'e a Dearborn girl, so... tell me, do all the girls from Dearborn have nice wavy hair (touch hair) and cute little noses (lightly poke nose)" then I could've rode it out for another minute or two and tried to set a date then number close or if rejected move on to another girl.
All in all I feel, I should've conveyed more interest non verbally if I'm not comfortable going verbally in the conversation maybe by touching her and getting closer when relating and using a sexier facial expression when making eye contact and I feel I kinda flunked out when she opened up to me and didn't do anything after she tried to give me something to connect with her on. But I did far better than I have in the past as I felt no anxiety to approach, callibrated to her feelings at the moment and got past the opener to the hook. I feel the girls on campus are very intelligent but not good with flirting or picking up signals that a guy is interested, or at least not as good as the girls in Miami, but I could be wrong and it's a spectrum of this.
Semi-Hot Woman in line at the Campus Help Desk
This interaction was a milestone for me because I was able to keep a good looking woman engaged with me in conversation for a length of time (remember, I've never done this before so it's a big deal to me). I was chilling in my dorm when my friend told me to come to the quad and so I did and we met up then headed for the help desk. I joined the back of the line and my friend sat down on one of the sofas and went on his phone (where he closes off from the entire world), seconds later, a stunning latina walks over towards me and joins the line while looking down at her phone. She was about 5'6" was wearing white ballerina flats with glitter, some tight light blue jeans a cute light blue tank top/dress type shirt and black wavy hair with a slightly aged but cute face. I was ready to approach but it felt weird interrupting her from her phone, and seconds later she got off the phone and then I turned half around and began speaking with her
ME: (Warm smile) Hey there, do you go to school here?
Her: (Returns smile) Yeah I actually do
ME: Cool me too, let me guess, you're a junior aren't you
Her: well technically I'm not
MEfrom prior experience I know what's up) yeah so you're between sophomore and Junior year without enough credits to be a junior
Her: Yeah, that's it
Me: That's annoying isn't it
Her: Yeah it is (she's smiling and looking right at me)
Me: What's your name?
Her: I'm Castanva
Me: Repeat that, it's a nice name
Her: Castanva (she repeats with even more spanish accent)
Me: that's a cool name, I've never heard it before, where are you from?
Her: I'm from Mexico
At this point my friend looks up from his phone and mentions he's from Mexico too and then he quickly loses interest in her and goes back to being closed off from the world on his phone and I waste no time picking things back up
Me: so Castanva, what's your major?
Her: Well I used to be in Architecture at another college in (some city I can't remember, I should've used this as a thread to revisit and maybe sex frame by asking her how the guys there stack up to the guys in Michigan and then touch her hair and ask if most Michigan guys do that or hold her hands then ask her if Michigan guys hold her hands and then whisper into her ear how fine she is or something fun like that and ask if Michigan guys do that) but now I switched over to Business Management
Me: That's super cool, you must really love being in control and being dominant, you kinda look like that kind of woman...(she didn't respond to this) Most of the girls where I'm from aren't this driven in their lives
Her: Well, where are you from
Me: Just some small town down south called Miami
Her: Well yeah, they're probably too busy at the beach (I should've sex framed here or at least gone off on a tangent by asking her how she knows about having fun on the beach and going into her time on the beach and how she probably goes man hunting in her sexy swim suit when on the beach or something to that effect maybe like "so how do you know about having fun on the beach" "what do you do there for excitement" "Nah, I'm not buying that, I bet you dress up to look your sexiest and break the men's hearts you meet
Me: yeah, I guess so (feeling the thread is dying because I don't know what to say) So where do you want to take Business Management? I mean I could see you as running some big Wall Street company as a Fortune 500 CEO
Her: Well, yeah I could see myself running a business
Me: (I smile warmly at this) so What business do you want to run?
Her: Anything really, preferably something in Architecture
Me: Yeah true, you switched, why did you make that Major switch?
Her: There's more money in Business than in Architecture, so I went to where I could be more successful (I could've maybe gone a bit deeper with her on what it means to be successful, filthy rich or stupid happy)
Me: Well, you seem like you'd be more happy in Architecture, like you're more educated there and you should stay in that rather than switch over for money
Her: Yeah, I guess but I like Business too and maybe I can combine the two and run an Architecture firm
At this point I was next in line and then left without saying goodbye, I did that because maybe she'd forget me in a couple of days and I could re-approach with better conversational skills and gauge her interest in me the next time. I forgot alot of that conversation, but it was one of the few times my fundamentals and social calibration led me through the interaction where when a thread died, Castanva brought up a new topic to talk about and elaborated and asked me questions until I had to leave.
Conclusion and Help
So all in all, I don't do mass approach on campus, it's way too small and the girls there aren't worth soiling my reputation so I'll save that for when my roommate gets a car and we go off campus and I can cold approach there so that's why there's only a few here. But I feel confident now that I can open any girl alone, none in groups yet and reach the hook point with my strong fundamentals and basic questions where I don't talk about myself and let her do all the talking, but I need help going deeper into threads of conversation where I understand the girl at a deeper level and relate back things from my life to her. Also, I want to throw out some sort of sexual frame so my conversations aren't so darn dry all the time, I feel like Castanva was waiting for me to start flirting but I didn't seize any opportunities and things with Victoria just fizzled out because I'm just not at the next level, I need something else to try and I'm WIDE open to try TODAY what you guys tell me to do.
-Josh
Marked Improvements
-No Approach Anxiety whatsoever (no matter how amazing she is)
-I reach the hook very frequently with girls
-My opening basics are better- I open across my body situationaly and effortlessly and draw the girl in with a warm smile
-I am no longer using creeper fundamentals, I stand tall and make solid confident eye contact and emit a comfortable vibe because I no longer fear girls (they're cute and silly and I have trouble taking them seriously)
Where I Need to Improve
-I never use touch
-I never sexual frame the conversation verbally or non verbally
-I hit a point in the conversation where the girl will mention something like "I wanna work for the FBI in the cyber crime prevention department" I ask why she replies "Because I just love the competition and the danger of knowing you're up against someone and can destroy them." Things like this throw me off balance and I have no idea what to do so I try to make a quick cold read like "damn, your'e fiesty and love risk" then move on to something else... and it doesn't feel right, she gave me alot to work with and I did nothing with it, no qualifying or sex framing (I'm sure somethings there) I just don't know what to do.
-Sometimes I talk when she stops talking for a quick mini pause and we both cut each other off and that kinda makes things awkward, but my calmness and slow pace helps resolve that
-My voice fundamentals need work, I don't talk with a deep voice that purrs enough and sometimes I speed up my speech, so I need to slow down my speech in the entire interaction not just the beginning
- Overall I just feel I start strong then fizzle out, I feel like I'm running out of things to get her talking and maybe that I'm deep diving too much too fast then I try to relate to what she says or cold read her rather than fire off another deep diving question and things get thrown off, you know like "why do you want to study that major?" then "Why do you feel that way" then I feel like I fired off two questions in a row already and now need to not question her, then I say something and it's kinda wacky in that it doesn't progress the interaction. So maybe I need something to do after I've deep dove a bit on something when my gut tells me to slow down on it, do something else then come back to this topic and resume the deep dive
I REALLY enjoy talking to new girls and wake up really happy in the morning to start my day and go to classes to study what I love and to progress from the last day ex. yesterday I opened a girl or two and found out their major, the next day- I made a plan of action and opened another and reached the hook with her, next day- I opened a really pretty girl and we chatted non sexually for 13 minutes in line at the help desk, next day I hope to inject some sexual framing. This constant leveling up feels like a video game and it really is addictive and fun and now I need some help (cheat codes) to reach the next level in my game.
So now here's some field reports from days past:
Victoria in the Book Store Line
I had to go to the campus bookstore to get a textbook to start my homework for math class and when I went to the line it was empty except for one cute white girl with blonde hair, about 5'4" skinnier than most girls with some curves... and a face that's not ugly, I think her face was cute. She wore dark skinny jeans a t-shirt and converses and she seemed to be deep in thought when I approached
ME: (Walk over, prepare for the approach with a small warm smile to spread upon opening and I face my body a bit away from her) Hey there, are you a freshman?
HER: (She looks up at me and returns my smile) No, I'm actually a Junior
ME: Cool...(I look away for a second rather than hold eye contact with a neutral face) I'm Josh
Her: I'm Victoria (I extend my hand and she looks at it for a second, then takes it and I just feel its warmth while I hold it and feel happy to be with her)
ME: So what are you...( she is called to go to the cashier and she looks at me like she wants to continue the conversation but I motion for her to checkout and she does, then walks away and I say bye)
I go over to the cashier next, ring up and there's a problem with the barcode so I have to go over to the info desk and Victoria is standing over there waiting for service, so I join her and pick up where I left off
ME
reapproach with a warm smile) So what's your major?Her: (awakens from her deep thought and speaks) I study Computer Science and coding (or something with computers, I forget)
ME: Oh that's actually really cool, I don't really hear of many girls where I'm from who study that
Her: Where are you from? (she is now trying to find out about me)
ME: I'm from Miami, so what made you want to go into that major?
Her
points body at me fully now and looks at me frankly as if to tell the honest truth) Well I want to work for the FBI in the anti cybercrime division so it's just the competition of it and knowing that I'm up against a real human trying to defeat themME: (I look at her and nod approvingly) Yeah... (not knowing what to say I try to do some weird form of qualifying) Damn, that's really cool, (I should've said something like "I would've never taken you for the competitive dangerous type" then maybe implored how else she takes risks and maybe go into a sex frame with her being adventurous with the men she meets) you like danger and excitement
Her
we make eye contact and a confident pause ensues where we both know this conversation isn't yet over) So what major are you in?ME: Car Design, or Transportation Design
Her: Oh, I have a brother... no friend..... yeah friend! who does that, I know you must have to do a TON of car sketches
ME: Yeah, but I'm prepared for that I come from a high school that loaded on the work (I maybe could've used this to smoothly deep dive her and mention that the heavy workload is cool because I love what I do, and you just tend to never be bothered when you're doing something you genuinely love doing, then turned it to her and asked how she feels when deep in combat with a hacker, then qualify her on an honest answer and maybe touch her and commend her for being a bit different from the other girls, so I missed that opportunity)
Her: yeah... (things felt awkward then took a turn for the worst as the people at the info desk brought her package from the back and she bid me farewell, most likely because we hit a low point) in retrospect I should used this as an opportunity to assert dominance and command her saying "Wait, come back I want to talk to you for one more minute" then ask where she's from and maybe sex frame off of that by saying something like "oh, your'e a Dearborn girl, so... tell me, do all the girls from Dearborn have nice wavy hair (touch hair) and cute little noses (lightly poke nose)" then I could've rode it out for another minute or two and tried to set a date then number close or if rejected move on to another girl.
All in all I feel, I should've conveyed more interest non verbally if I'm not comfortable going verbally in the conversation maybe by touching her and getting closer when relating and using a sexier facial expression when making eye contact and I feel I kinda flunked out when she opened up to me and didn't do anything after she tried to give me something to connect with her on. But I did far better than I have in the past as I felt no anxiety to approach, callibrated to her feelings at the moment and got past the opener to the hook. I feel the girls on campus are very intelligent but not good with flirting or picking up signals that a guy is interested, or at least not as good as the girls in Miami, but I could be wrong and it's a spectrum of this.
Semi-Hot Woman in line at the Campus Help Desk
This interaction was a milestone for me because I was able to keep a good looking woman engaged with me in conversation for a length of time (remember, I've never done this before so it's a big deal to me). I was chilling in my dorm when my friend told me to come to the quad and so I did and we met up then headed for the help desk. I joined the back of the line and my friend sat down on one of the sofas and went on his phone (where he closes off from the entire world), seconds later, a stunning latina walks over towards me and joins the line while looking down at her phone. She was about 5'6" was wearing white ballerina flats with glitter, some tight light blue jeans a cute light blue tank top/dress type shirt and black wavy hair with a slightly aged but cute face. I was ready to approach but it felt weird interrupting her from her phone, and seconds later she got off the phone and then I turned half around and began speaking with her
ME: (Warm smile) Hey there, do you go to school here?
Her: (Returns smile) Yeah I actually do
ME: Cool me too, let me guess, you're a junior aren't you
Her: well technically I'm not
ME
from prior experience I know what's up) yeah so you're between sophomore and Junior year without enough credits to be a juniorHer: Yeah, that's it
Me: That's annoying isn't it
Her: Yeah it is (she's smiling and looking right at me)
Me: What's your name?
Her: I'm Castanva
Me: Repeat that, it's a nice name
Her: Castanva (she repeats with even more spanish accent)
Me: that's a cool name, I've never heard it before, where are you from?
Her: I'm from Mexico
At this point my friend looks up from his phone and mentions he's from Mexico too and then he quickly loses interest in her and goes back to being closed off from the world on his phone and I waste no time picking things back up
Me: so Castanva, what's your major?
Her: Well I used to be in Architecture at another college in (some city I can't remember, I should've used this as a thread to revisit and maybe sex frame by asking her how the guys there stack up to the guys in Michigan and then touch her hair and ask if most Michigan guys do that or hold her hands then ask her if Michigan guys hold her hands and then whisper into her ear how fine she is or something fun like that and ask if Michigan guys do that) but now I switched over to Business Management
Me: That's super cool, you must really love being in control and being dominant, you kinda look like that kind of woman...(she didn't respond to this) Most of the girls where I'm from aren't this driven in their lives
Her: Well, where are you from
Me: Just some small town down south called Miami
Her: Well yeah, they're probably too busy at the beach (I should've sex framed here or at least gone off on a tangent by asking her how she knows about having fun on the beach and going into her time on the beach and how she probably goes man hunting in her sexy swim suit when on the beach or something to that effect maybe like "so how do you know about having fun on the beach" "what do you do there for excitement" "Nah, I'm not buying that, I bet you dress up to look your sexiest and break the men's hearts you meet
Me: yeah, I guess so (feeling the thread is dying because I don't know what to say) So where do you want to take Business Management? I mean I could see you as running some big Wall Street company as a Fortune 500 CEO
Her: Well, yeah I could see myself running a business
Me: (I smile warmly at this) so What business do you want to run?
Her: Anything really, preferably something in Architecture
Me: Yeah true, you switched, why did you make that Major switch?
Her: There's more money in Business than in Architecture, so I went to where I could be more successful (I could've maybe gone a bit deeper with her on what it means to be successful, filthy rich or stupid happy)
Me: Well, you seem like you'd be more happy in Architecture, like you're more educated there and you should stay in that rather than switch over for money
Her: Yeah, I guess but I like Business too and maybe I can combine the two and run an Architecture firm
At this point I was next in line and then left without saying goodbye, I did that because maybe she'd forget me in a couple of days and I could re-approach with better conversational skills and gauge her interest in me the next time. I forgot alot of that conversation, but it was one of the few times my fundamentals and social calibration led me through the interaction where when a thread died, Castanva brought up a new topic to talk about and elaborated and asked me questions until I had to leave.
Conclusion and Help
So all in all, I don't do mass approach on campus, it's way too small and the girls there aren't worth soiling my reputation so I'll save that for when my roommate gets a car and we go off campus and I can cold approach there so that's why there's only a few here. But I feel confident now that I can open any girl alone, none in groups yet and reach the hook point with my strong fundamentals and basic questions where I don't talk about myself and let her do all the talking, but I need help going deeper into threads of conversation where I understand the girl at a deeper level and relate back things from my life to her. Also, I want to throw out some sort of sexual frame so my conversations aren't so darn dry all the time, I feel like Castanva was waiting for me to start flirting but I didn't seize any opportunities and things with Victoria just fizzled out because I'm just not at the next level, I need something else to try and I'm WIDE open to try TODAY what you guys tell me to do.
-Josh
