Protean's Progress

[Protean]

Hey everyone!

I used to have a journal on here just before the world went to shit during the pandemic. Since then I've been holed up at home and have had virtually zero opportunities to do anything with seduction related. I didn't waste that time though. If you go back and read those earlier threads I was far more insecure, and uncomfortable in my own skin. These days I'm far more at peace with myself, have since graduated from university, and have jumped started my career. And just yesterday I finally left my parents' place and moved across the country to NYC.

This journal will document my progress in leveling up in game and in life in general. I'll be posting regular updates about what I'm doing. Any tips, or feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Protean]

Okay so my first order of business is to find a place to sublet for a few months. My plan of action is basically laid out in Chase's excellent article on getting settled in a new city (here).

Today I'm going to be exploring the area around my Airbnb. It's in the more college aged, party part of time which everyone says is the best, but I want to see if it holds up with my own two eyes.

A friend from college put me in contact with a buddy of his who lives out here so I'll be hitting him up to see we can meet up sometime. Hopefully he can serve as a good guide for the area.

My first impressions of the women out in the city is meh tbh. Keep in mind I've only been here fore a mere 12 hours, but walking around this morning hasn't yielded any stunners or anything. Obviously this is subject to change.

Anyways, I'm gonna get going. If any NYC locals want to throw advice my way here in this thread, don't hesitate to do so!

 

[Protean]

Alright yesterday I did a lot more walking around mainly in the East Village, the Lower East Side, and Soho. Not much I have to say as I've been in other big cities so kinda knew what I was expecting, but New York (Manhattan at least) definitely has a unique vibe going on that I quite like.

Seduction wise didn't do any approaches. Thought about doing some, but my state was far too low from jet lag an getting my bearings. Today I'll get some under my belt. These will be my first few approaches in a couple years so I'm curious to see how they will go, how much AA I'll have to deal with, and how the women here react to my style.

My opinion of the women around here still stands though. It's most likely affected by having everyone bundled up due to the weather, but yesterday I didn't see too many absolute stunners walking around. There were still far more cute women out about than I ever saw in Phoenix so I won't complain haha.

Plan for the day is to explore a couple more neighborhoods that I've been wanting to explore while getting around 5-10 approaches done. I'll report back on how they went tomorrow.

 

[Protean]

Quick late night update. Was really busy today negotiating on potential sublets as well as moving from one Airbnb to another so I didn't have any time to do any daygame approaches. Explored the Upper East Side, and while it is pretty nice, it DEFINITELY skews a bit older, even in the younger areas. For now my goal is to sublet in the East Village or the Lower East Side, although one of my best options for subletting is in the Upper East Side so hopefully I can find something better tomorrow.

Went out by myself to this one dive bar that was close to my Airbnb. It was chill, but it was clear it was more of a social circle spot rather than a place girls go alone to meet someone. Got into this long conversation with this random guy about the Knicks and Nets that got be socially warm, but absolutely nothing on the woman front.

I next went to this dollar pizza place since I was hungry and chatted up this tall Iranian girl. Even with the lowered inhibitions from the two Jack and Cokes I downed at the last place, my game was still shit. Totally boring guy interviewer type shit (she even asked me to stop interrogating her playfully at one point lol) Zero sexuality in the conversation, which has always been my problem. I've always had issues making things man-to-woman so that will be one of the first things I will address. I also don't want to lean on alchol to go out and do approaches so I'll definetly do some day game approaches tomorrow since I'll be enacamped at this current spot I'm at for a little over a week.

Right now my goal is to get 100 solid approaches under my belt, see where my sticking points are and the go out and fix those. I love the game, I truly do, so I need to shake off this rust and go balls-to-the-wall in my efforts in improving.

 

[Lobo]

Yo it's great to hear that you're out here embarking on this adventure by yourself. New York is the land of opportunity and I think you'll soon see that just about anything can happen.

One of the spots that I highly recommend, and where I got my first two cold approach lays from within a month of approaching there (one SNL and the other was after some texting) is Washington square park. Really solid practice ground where you can find a lot of lone wolves as well as some needed difficulty(other guys game there and ig the girls have some wall to it). But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I noticed a large spike in my hooks when I started to be more low-key and had a solid social frame(ie, looked natural and not like I was there to pick up).

If you would like to reference experience, see from here in my journal when I started(it was bad) and also later on when I started to get some results. I think the latter ties in with what you need in your game, as I started to get results when I began to use a sexual vibe in my sets.

I would also recommend not getting baited by street approaches while you're still getting your bearings. Not to say it's not possible, but it definitely felt more difficult when I tried it compared to sitting lone wolves.

Kvothe also has a lot of reports on gaming in NYC, which you can find here

If there was one thing I'd tell you about gaming in NYC, is to not give up(also keep journaling here, so we can help you). I almost did a few times and I regret not spending more time gaming there over the summer.

It might be painful at first, especially when you're getting rejected or stonewalled, but the person you'll become and the experiences you'll have after you persevere are more than worth it.

let's get it!

 

[Protean]

Alright time for a quick update. Again I’ve been super busy the past few days in nailing down a sublet, but I’ve since narrowed my options to a couple places so I should have more time freed up going forward.

Day gaming these past couple days has been rough. Severe approach anxiety the past couple days. I suppose two years is a long time but the rust was FAR worse than I thought. I had to set small goals (smiling at passing girls, compliments as I walked by) to start to get back in rhythm. Fortunately thwt has worked and I’m more primed to go do approaches now.

I never really did night game in my old town but I found am event for a meetup group at a nearby club/bar and went. I must say I can DEFINITELY understand why a lot of guys love the environment. It was super fun and I had 4 or 5 solid sets throughout the night. The best one was this sexy brown haired gal I ended up making out with in the sitting area just off the dance floor lol. Unfortunately her group ended up bouncing and they wanted to bring me along, but the cab was one seat short. I probably should’ve asked who she came with (hell I probably shouldn’t have made out with her if I wanted to pull haha) but it is what it is. Despite having been a bit tipsy at the time I’ve noticed that my charisma is still there. I just need to get out of my head.

My goals for this week is to push forward in approaching during the day. Last night gave me a bunch of confidence, but I DON’T want to be reliant on alcohol. In fact I’ll be drastically cutting back my alcohol consumption going forward. Secondly I’m definitely going to start cross gaming for a more well rounded skill set. Lastly, I’ll be more on top of jotting down my interactions. I’m still very much s beginner so more detailed field reports will help you guys help me.

 

[Protean]

Rather late update here, gents. Have just been uber busy moving into my sublet and with work for the past few days.

I scored a sublet in Midtown for a really solid price. Going into this I knew Midtown wouldn't be an ideal place for daygame. Very touristy and women have their shields UP. Still, the location makes it really easy to get around town and so it makes an ideal spot to explore around the city while I settle in and key in the exact spot I want to encamp at. I also quite like the way these banker/accountant types dress. Much more fashionable than their counterparts in the East Village where I was at. While I'm here I may as well see if I can crack the code as far as gaming these types.

Last weekend I did end up going out again a couple times. First, was last Friday to this concert in Williamsburg. It was pretty fun, but not much opportunity for game. First, I have much more respect for guys like @Skills who hang their hats on dancefloor seduction. That shit is not easy. As a more verbal guy, when you put me in a situation where I can't speak, my game goes is rather pathetic. It won't be my primary focus now, but I would like to experiment to see what I can pull off in this type of venue.

Second place I went to the next night was this bar in the West Village with this charismatic guy I met at one of the Meetup event I went to my first week in town. I swing by this fancy restaurant he worked at so we could leave once he got off. Very nice atmosphere. The bar there could make for an excellent date spot, but the one drink I had there set me back nearly $20 including the tip lol. Does seem like the type of place those slightly older Midtown yuppies would like though.

Anyways he gets off work and I'm socially warmed from an earlier outing and from chatting up the bartender there. We meet up with a mutual friend of his and the three of us walk to the venue. There's a decently long queue and I'm thinking fuck this will be a state killer. But the third friend walks up to the bouncer and gets us in lol. Definitely did not expect that haha. The venue though is another one of those rather loud bar environments that isn't ideal per se, but probably something I could make work if I tried hard enough.

Unfortunately I was really the only one making things happen. I had to open most of the sets for my friend and I. And while his game wasn't terrible, he wasn't really trying to push things forward if that makes sense. I ended up opening a lot of sense, sometimes alone, sometimes with two or even all three of us. But most of the fish just weren't biting. There was the uber cute half black chick who was exactly my type and who I KNEW wanted me (she even verbalized this lol) but I couldn't get passed the boyfriend objection.

That was another weird thing too. A lot of these chicks had boyfriends (I swear I saw a dozen chicks with pictures of their man as their lockscreen) yet they were still going and soaking up all the attention from the dudes who were there. Now I'm sure some of their guys knew but it was a good reminder that bars and clubs are NOT the types of places you want to wife hunt at haha.

Anyways I ended up calling it a night at around 3 and riding the subway home. It was fun, but I can tell these types of environments are more for stroking the egos of the women who frequent them, and not real meet markets where women go out hoping to meet someone to go home with. I need to keep exploring the city for the later.

Daygame has still sucked for the most part. I still haven't really made any real approaches so I need to remedy that ASAP. I'd say 90% of the AA I came into the city with is gone. Once I go on a real daygame session this weekend, I have no doubt I'll be making a bunch of approaches. Especially now that I'm mostly settled in a spot I'll be at for a week or so, I want to finally get that settled. No more excuses.

Finally, the place that I'm at now is a huge residential tower. There is some talent among here, but if I decide to make a play it will be more of a slow burn type thing.

Anywho, that's it for my update. Going to be pushing daygame hard so that I have great momentum going into the summer. Will also be looking out for better night time venues as well as a spot I can sign a full lease at.

 

[Protean]

Pulled this really sexy half black chick from the club tonight. It would 100% have been a home run, but she was on her period and I just couldn't get her to take her pants off. Not for lack of trying though, I expressed how I was cool with it and fractionated my touch a bunch to get her to give into her desires but she was too self conscious and kept promising for next time. Whether there will be a next time is anyone's guess, but the fact that I even pulled her at all is a huge confidence booster and her head game was on point as well.

I'll put up a proper FR tomorrow morning but in short this girl I met last night at a meat up invited me to another one so I ended up going. It was this swanky rooftop lounge with a dance floor on the level bellow it. Just saying the host's name got me to skip the line so I avoided losing my state in the line again. Really to make sure I get to know the bouncers or promoters in my area so I can do this more often than not.

The meetup was more of a social thing and while there was some good talent there, I mainly talked to a lot of the guys that were there at first. By the end of the event I was thinking about targeting either this black French girl with HUGE tits or the girl who invited me who I could feel some sexual tension with.

When the meetup ended a group of us including both aforementioned girls left the private room hit the dance floor. Things were okay on the dance floor. The Dominican girl wasn't really up for dancing (said she wasn't drunk enough lol) and I lost track of the French chick, so I was just mingling until I saw the girl I ended up going home with looking kinda bored with her group of friends.

I opened her by playfully bumping her on the dance floor which she took well. We then danced for a bit, then I moved her to some couches off to the side where I deep dove her and seeded the pull. I then took her back to the dance floor and escalated physically until we ended up making out a bit on the dance floor. I then took her back to the couch where we made out even more and I pulled back saying we should get out of there and she was down. Told her I'd grab my jacket and that she should tell her friends she's leaving and she did with zero resistance. Walk home I fluff talked with her career (we were actually in the same field) and other things I had deep dove her on. Pretty much zero LMR at my place besides her refusing to take her pants off due to being on her period.

Quick takeaways from me are:
1. The game isn't really that complicated. I am NOT saying advanced game is useless or unnecessary, but that even my very beginner seduction skills were enough for me to pull this off. The key now is to get more consistent, raise my approach to lay ratio, be able to deal with wildcards, etc. But for this basic scenario where the girl was into me from the jump and I had no wildcards to deal with, my current skillset was more than enough.

2. I should be drinking way less. For the whole night I only had two jack and cokes. Not only is it much easier on my liver and my wallet, but I was more in control for the seduction. I'm gonna be implementing a one drink an hour rule for myself on out so I don't get slammed. Will make going out more sustainable in the long run too as I won't lose a whole day of productivity dealing with a hangover.

3. Logistics are POWERFUL. I was literally a 5-10 minute walk from the venue gents. It made extracting her so fucking easy man. @Chase thanks so much for your suggestion to sublet at first when moving to a new city. I'm gonna make sure I rent out a place near venues I do well at for sure.

4. Finally abundance is powerful. I just checked my phone and saw a text from the Dominican chick asking if I had left. She was my original target, but she wasn't cooperating so I simply moved onto someone else. Coming to think of it I wouldn't be surprised if she saw me with the other girl lol. The main takeaway though is that since I didn't act super needy and attach myself to her hip all night I not only found someone else who was more compliant, but I became even more attractive in her eyes if she really did see that other girl all over me. Keeping my head and not chasing was key. Getting to a level of game where I have absolute abundance is something that I have to do.

Will redouble my efforts in daygame and will keep going out. While I'm happy with tonight, I'm far from satisfied. This little taste of success has only left me hungry for more.

 

[Skills]

Pulled this really sexy half black chick from the club tonight. It would 100% have been a home run, but she was on her period and I just couldn't get her to take her pants off. Not for lack of trying though, I expressed how I was cool with it and fractionated my touch a bunch to get her to give into her desires but she was too self conscious and kept promising for next time. Whether there will be a next time is anyone's guess, but the fact that I even pulled her at all is a huge confidence booster and her head game was on point as well.

I'll put up a proper FR tomorrow morning but in short this girl I met last night at a meat up invited me to another one so I ended up going. It was this swanky rooftop lounge with a dance floor on the level bellow it. Just saying the host's name got me to skip the line so I avoided losing my state in the line again. Really to make sure I get to know the bouncers or promoters in my area so I can do this more often than not.

The meetup was more of a social thing and while there was some good talent there, I mainly talked to a lot of the guys that were there at first. By the end of the event I was thinking about targeting either this black French girl with HUGE tits or the girl who invited me who I could feel some sexual tension with.

When the meetup ended a group of us including both aforementioned girls left the private room hit the dance floor. Things were okay on the dance floor. The Dominican girl wasn't really up for dancing (said she wasn't drunk enough lol) and I lost track of the French chick, so I was just mingling until I saw the girl I ended up going home with looking kinda bored with her group of friends.

I opened her by playfully bumping her on the dance floor which she took well. We then danced for a bit, then I moved her to some couches off to the side where I deep dove her and seeded the pull. I then took her back to the dance floor and escalated physically until we ended up making out a bit on the dance floor. I then took her back to the couch where we made out even more and I pulled back saying we should get out of there and she was down. Told her I'd grab my jacket and that she should tell her friends she's leaving and she did with zero resistance. Walk home I fluff talked with her career (we were actually in the same field) and other things I had deep dove her on. Pretty much zero LMR at my place besides her refusing to take her pants off due to being on her period.

Quick takeaways from me are:
1. The game isn't really that complicated. I am NOT saying advanced game is useless or unnecessary, but that even my very beginner seduction skills were enough for me to pull this off. The key now is to get more consistent, raise my approach to lay ratio, be able to deal with wildcards, etc. But for this basic scenario where the girl was into me from the jump and I had no wildcards to deal with, my current skillset was more than enough.

2. I should be drinking way less. For the whole night I only had two jack and cokes. Not only is it much easier on my liver and my wallet, but I was more in control for the seduction. I'm gonna be implementing a one drink an hour rule for myself on out so I don't get slammed. Will make going out more sustainable in the long run too as I won't lose a whole day of productivity dealing with a hangover.

3. Logistics are POWERFUL. I was literally a 5-10 minute walk from the venue gents. It made extracting her so fucking easy man. @Chase thanks so much for your suggestion to sublet at first when moving to a new city. I'm gonna make sure I rent out a place near venues I do well at for sure.

4. Finally abundance is powerful. I just checked my phone and saw a text from the Dominican chick asking if I had left. She was my original target, but she wasn't cooperating so I simply moved onto someone else. Coming to think of it I wouldn't be surprised if she saw me with the other girl lol. The main takeaway though is that since I didn't act super needy and attach myself to her hip all night I not only found someone else who was more compliant, but I became even more attractive in her eyes if she really did see that other girl all over me. Keeping my head and not chasing was key. Getting to a level of game where I have absolute abundance is something that I have to do.

Will redouble my efforts in daygame and will keep going out. While I'm happy with tonight, I'm far from satisfied. This little taste of success has only left me hungry for more.

- yeah you don't need to drink and you don't need high level of technical skills, but a high level will increase your odds, you are far ahead that most guys out there and you don't know it, is pretty bad most guys now a days.

-you don't need to drink (i never drink at clubs)

- Period is hard to over come, most girls won't have sex with period happened recently to @DoWhatWorks but this line can increase odds by rip velasco:

The way i've found around the period objection is to just be super hyped about it ("omg yes are you serious? i love fucking girls with periods. turns me on so much seeing blood on my dick. makes the sex feel more primal.") that's ultimately what will make her feel comfortable...

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Good to see you posting again @Protean

Solid pull too. Built up compliance and saw how fun, simple & enjoyable game can be if we let it.

To add to @Skills note I found that with period you want to handle: mental & physical resistance

Mental: like the above post, talk about how you don’t care. “Turning on/primal” isn’t my personal style so wouldn’t be congruent for me instead I say with a smirk almost confused look on my face “pfft we’re both adults that’s no big deal”. In a fun dismissive tone.

Physical: people don’t talk about this enough on the forum but it’s increased my odds in the past. I have a dark grey picnic blanket that I lay on top of my bed. I say it’s no big deal we’ll have sex here then I’ll wrap this up and wash it later.

In case it’s still not on, you did the right thing getting sexual with head anyway. Afterwards you want to bring the vibe up from sexual to social / rapport then seed in the 2nd date in a chill way. I.E “I’ve had fun regardless how about we hang out later in the week & I’ll make us those cocktails?”

That way you keep the momentum going & it doesn’t fizzle out but as you’ve been social she doesn’t feel pressured that it’s just all sex.

 

[Skills]

Good to see you posting again @Protean

Solid pull too. Built up compliance and saw how fun, simple & enjoyable game can be if we let it.

To add to @Skills note I found that with period you want to handle: mental & physical resistance

Mental: like the above post, talk about how you don’t care. “Turning on/primal” isn’t my personal style so wouldn’t be congruent for me instead I say with a smirk almost confused look on my face “pfft we’re both adults that’s no big deal”. In a fun dismissive tone.

Physical: people don’t talk about this enough on the forum but it’s increased my odds in the past. I have a dark grey picnic blanket that I lay on top of my bed. I say it’s no big deal we’ll have sex here then I’ll wrap this up and wash it later.

In case it’s still not on, you did the right thing getting sexual with head anyway. Afterwards you want to bring the vibe up from sexual to social / rapport then seed in the 2nd date in a chill way. I.E “I’ve had fun regardless how about we hang out later in the week & I’ll make us those cocktails?”

That way you keep the momentum going & it doesn’t fizzle out but as you’ve been social she doesn’t feel pressured that it’s just all sex.

very good ^ i forgot about this (cause i assume most people do is common sense... I do put a black towel under my bed, and try to distract myself and her from looking down there...

 

[Protean]

Fuck me

Had a day 2 with the girl from the club this weekend today. I texted her the following Sunday to no response and made peace with not seeing her again. But she called me late yesterday (Monday night) and I got her to meet me at a bar for a couple drinks.

My original plan was to have a couple drinks, then bounce to my place. My roommates wouldn't have been to thrilled with hearing me do the deed on a weeknight, but it was definitely possible.

Instead I ended up staying and chatting at the bar with this gal for way longer than I had planned and I enjoyed it. Personality wise she's pretty much exactly my type and and we had rather excellent rapport. Also being as we were both from immigrant backgrounds we connected very deeply on that topic.

She also surprised me on a lot of different fronts. She's pretty sharp, very ambitious (which I like in women) and surprisingly still a virgin. And boys I PRESSED her on that. She said she grew up in a very conservative household so she didn't have the opportunity to do much when younger. She also claimed that the night we met was the FIRST time she had gone out to a club.

Personally I'm a little skeptical (her head game was strong AF lol), but the fact that she stuck with her story even after I had set strong nonjudgmental frames makes me think it could be true.

So here we have this very attractive, ambitious, smart woman who I really get along with, AND who's a virgin (or at least really inexperienced) and who's really into me.

There's a small part of me that wants to take her on as a girlfriend. She's definitely that caliber a woman.

But at the same time how do I know that? NYC is a huge town with millions upon millions of young woman to meet, seduce, and get to know. I'm also on a mission here to get advanced in the game guys. I am NOT in this just to find a girlfriend or hookup. I want to get good.

So yeah it's a shame. Very nice girl who could be a fantastic girlfriend, but I can't stray from the path I'm on. I know getting better will unlock even more amazing woman. I will NOT be going exclusive with her or anything like that. At most she can be a long term fuck buddy.

But yeah it's a shame though cause I'm truly surprised we got along so well. But I can't let her take me off the path I'm on.


Quick aside, I look young for my age and could easily pass for a high schooler if I cleanly shaved (and I can't even grow much facial hair in the first place). So imagine my surprise when she guesses my age at 28 and even as high as 31. Of course I didn't give her a concrete answer on how old I was, but I'm wondering if women naturally see men they're attracted to as older than themselves. For the record she was 25 and I'll be 24 later this month lol

 

[Skills]

Fuck me

Had a day 2 with the girl from the club this weekend today. I texted her the following Sunday to no response and made peace with not seeing her again. But she called me late yesterday (Monday night) and I got her to meet me at a bar for a couple drinks.

My original plan was to have a couple drinks, then bounce to my place. My roommates wouldn't have been to thrilled with hearing me do the deed on a weeknight, but it was definitely possible.

Instead I ended up staying and chatting at the bar with this gal for way longer than I had planned and I enjoyed it. Personality wise she's pretty much exactly my type and and we had rather excellent rapport. Also being as we were both from immigrant backgrounds we connected very deeply on that topic.

She also surprised me on a lot of different fronts. She's pretty sharp, very ambitious (which I like in women) and surprisingly still a virgin. And boys I PRESSED her on that. She said she grew up in a very conservative household so she didn't have the opportunity to do much when younger. She also claimed that the night we met was the FIRST time she had gone out to a club.

Personally I'm a little skeptical (her head game was strong AF lol), but the fact that she stuck with her story even after I had set strong nonjudgmental frames makes me think it could be true.

So here we have this very attractive, ambitious, smart woman who I really get along with, AND who's a virgin (or at least really inexperienced) and who's really into me.

There's a small part of me that wants to take her on as a girlfriend. She's definitely that caliber a woman.

But at the same time how do I know that? NYC is a huge town with millions upon millions of young woman to meet, seduce, and get to know. I'm also on a mission here to get advanced in the game guys. I am NOT in this just to find a girlfriend or hookup. I want to get good.

So yeah it's a shame. Very nice girl who could be a fantastic girlfriend, but I can't stray from the path I'm on. I know getting better will unlock even more amazing woman. I will NOT be going exclusive with her or anything like that. At most she can be a long term fuck buddy.

But yeah it's a shame though cause I'm truly surprised we got along so well. But I can't let her take me off the path I'm on.


Quick aside, I look young for my age and could easily pass for a high schooler if I cleanly shaved (and I can't even grow much facial hair in the first place). So imagine my surprise when she guesses my age at 28 and even as high as 31. Of course I didn't give her a concrete answer on how old I was, but I'm wondering if women naturally see men they're attracted to as older than themselves. For the record she was 25 and I'll be 24 later this month lol

A virgin does not translate to girlfriend and you have to stop, none of my virgins became my girlfriends, it does with certain women require more time, though all this guys in the forum have been having ons, or snl with virgins all over the forum last one was @Alpha13SC which is weird and unusual but that is gen z, my point is you are trying to disqualify yourself under girlfriend and you are assuming this, all women want a boyfriend that does not mean anything... Don't disqualify yourself cause she is virgin or wants a boyfriend, see how far you can go.... Unless you are like me, i personally would not take a virgin at this point cause i personally don't care for it, but not under cope, make sure is not cope...

here:

Socializing - One good thing about gen z and virgins.....

Back in the days to get a virgin, minimum couple of months to a year, usually they would wait till prom night, the dude needed to be a boyfriend and dating for a while.... A player friend of mine off the forum got a virgin second meet, first meet got a bj from club, i was really impress and...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Alpha13SC]

For this girl it took several dates till it happened, but it s ok because I enjoyed them, having some night rides with her car. It was usual game. 1st date I invited to watch a movie with her, she came, made her horny, but LMR was too big and I was like ok, already had another girls seeing. After we did it, she told me she was thinking about having sex with me since the 1st date, but wanted to wait a little. just some casual dating.

My first fwb said she was a virgin(I was 18, she 17) and said she wanted to do it with me, to see how it is. And we remained fwb a long period. Upgraded to ltr after many months.

And other girls I ve known said their first was not their bf, but a guy who wanted to fuck with and see how it is.

Being a virgin doesn t mean she ll be a gf or even a great one. That require other qualities.
That s a newbie mistake IMO, assuming girls require a ltr before sex, virginity does not represent an exception. They re sexual af. My mentor fucked also girls from Tinder who were virgins. They actually went there to escape from any social consequences. Maybe they re more proned to develop deeper feelings

That thing with lover and provider is overrated IMH as long as you re sexual.

Some white knight move. Kill it.

Not sure about the head game tho. That is sus. Or maybe she actually made her research like we re doing, flipping pages on badgirlsbible.com

Alpha13SC

 

[Skills]

For this girl it took several dates till it happened, but it s ok because I enjoyed them, having some night rides with her car. It was usual game. 1st date I invited to watch a movie with her, she came, made her horny, but LMR was too big and I was like ok, already had another girls seeing. After we did it, she told me she was thinking about having sex with me since the 1st date, but wanted to wait a little. just some casual dating.

My first fwb said she was a virgin(I was 18, she 17) and said she wanted to do it with me, to see how it is. And we remained fwb a long period. Upgraded to ltr after many months.

And other girls I ve known said their first was not their bf, but a guy who wanted to fuck with and see how it is.

Being a virgin doesn t mean she ll be a gf or even a great one. That require other qualities.
That s a newbie mistake IMO, assuming girls require a ltr before sex, virginity does not represent an exception. They re sexual af. My mentor fucked also girls from Tinder who were virgins. They actually went there to escape from any social consequences. Maybe they re more proned to develop deeper feelings

That thing with lover and provider is overrated IMH as long as you re sexual.

Some white knight move. Kill it.

Not sure about the head game tho. That is sus. Or maybe she actually made her research like we re doing, flipping pages on badgirlsbible.com

Alpha13SC

very good points.... Yeah it matches my experience some took several dates, some made me wait till prom night... I never snl, or ons a virgin...but as i said a lot of guys in the forum and out are doing it more, from tinder as well, gen z... Great point on why on tinder (finally I got my answer) totally makes sense, due to no social repercussion, very good point...

 

[Protean]

Update for this week but before that thank you @Skills and @Alpha13SC for keeping me in check. I think the layoff had me reacting a bit too hard to that last chick. This weekend I was interacting with women that made her seem average by comparison, so that combined along with you words has gotten me back in control again. We were supposed to meet up again this weekend but she flaked. Will probably persist with her just practice persisting in a nonneedy way, but if she’s gone so be it.

This past weekend I hung out with the Albanian, our mutual Mexican friend, and another one of his friends at the same venue we went to last time. This time the place was pretty packed so what little space there normally was to move girls after you open them just wasn’t there.

Another thing wildcard that I didn’t expect to have to deal with were the other guys I was with. These cats weren’t doing anything to make things happen leaving me to do all the leg work with opening sets for us. Don’t get me wrong they’re all really cool, charismatic guys, but I had thought they’re charisma automatically granted them half decent skills with women, but that was often not the case haha

Worst example was when one of them pointed out this big titted chick at the end of the bar he liked. I got 3 of us to walk over there and I smoothly opened the group, and got us in. I took on one of the friends, who while cute, wasn’t really my type. It was going well too. She was clearly into me and compliant. She would not be a problem for my guy… if he didn’t eject super early from his girl. Imagine my surprise when that girl, clearly bored having no one to talk too whisked the other 2 away lol. When I pressed him on what happened, he just said they were bitches who only wanted drinks. Even he was better than the other friend, who got too drunk shorty after and was scaring away every woman in the vicinity with his horrible super direct game. It was so bad we had to eject early to take him home.

So yeah I’ll probably be going stag for my future night game endeavors. Way more fun in my opinion.

The whole night wasn’t a bust though. Saw a couple girls who caught my eye and I was able to smoothly open them, leave, then reopen them later on in the night. I may have been able to pull one if I was alone but she was playing mother hen to half a dozen or so people so the logistics of all that combined with what I was dealing with didn’t seem worth it. Maybe I should’ve gone for the number there, but whatever.

This week I’m gonna be focusing more on daygame and finding other nightgame venues that are more conducive to pulling.

 

[Skills]

Update for this week but before that thank you @Skills and @Alpha13SC for keeping me in check. I think the layoff had me reacting a bit too hard to that last chick. This weekend I was interacting with women that made her seem average by comparison, so that combined along with you words has gotten me back in control again. We were supposed to meet up again this weekend but she flaked. Will probably persist with her just practice persisting in a nonneedy way, but if she’s gone so be it.

This past weekend I hung out with the Albanian, our mutual Mexican friend, and another one of his friends at the same venue we went to last time. This time the place was pretty packed so what little space there normally was to move girls after you open them just wasn’t there.

Another thing wildcard that I didn’t expect to have to deal with were the other guys I was with. These cats weren’t doing anything to make things happen leaving me to do all the leg work with opening sets for us. Don’t get me wrong they’re all really cool, charismatic guys, but I had thought they’re charisma automatically granted them half decent skills with women, but that was often not the case haha

Worst example was when one of them pointed out this big titted chick at the end of the bar he liked. I got 3 of us to walk over there and I smoothly opened the group, and got us in. I took on one of the friends, who while cute, wasn’t really my type. It was going well too. She was clearly into me and compliant. She would not be a problem for my guy… if he didn’t eject super early from his girl. Imagine my surprise when that girl, clearly bored having no one to talk too whisked the other 2 away lol. When I pressed him on what happened, he just said they were bitches who only wanted drinks. Even he was better than the other friend, who got too drunk shorty after and was scaring away every woman in the vicinity with his horrible super direct game. It was so bad we had to eject early to take him home.

So yeah I’ll probably be going stag for my future night game endeavors. Way more fun in my opinion.

The whole night wasn’t a bust though. Saw a couple girls who caught my eye and I was able to smoothly open them, leave, then reopen them later on in the night. I may have been able to pull one if I was alone but she was playing mother hen to half a dozen or so people so the logistics of all that combined with what I was dealing with didn’t seem worth it. Maybe I should’ve gone for the number there, but whatever.

This week I’m gonna be focusing more on daygame and finding other nightgame venues that are more conducive to pulling.

Yeah night game is a lot of fun, there is no way i would be still going out if it was not, always crazy adventures.... is super hard to find good wings, they mostly suck and is hard to coach civilians as you notice. I do better alone or pivot, but sometimes is good to have a wing in certain venues, but alone your results are better...i talk about what you witness here:

Socializing - Guys in general are shit in game and uncalibrated, my honest observations....

Guys as you know i have been trying to experiment in pulling a 3 some from cold approach, as i go out a lot of the girls get a bit intimidated when i know i have a girl with me, so i told the main go dance and flirt with other dudes, so they don't Autor eject.... I have also seen form women...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Protean]

Kinda a late update, but nothing too noteworthy to report.

Last Thursday I went out with this group of Francophones that I met a week or two ago. I didn't do anything too direct gamewise as it was more of a social circle thing, but I got one of the girls, this big-titted Cameroonian, was chasing me pretty hard. At one point we were riding the metro back and she was mate guarding my ass haha. Literally introducing me to people as her husband. I didn't really go for as she could be the gateway to a ton of social connections, but I played along as the flirting was fun. I did meet this one very cute black chick at a bar in the West Village, prior to heading out to meet those ones and grabbed her number. We'll see how that pans out.

Friday I hit a bunch of clubs different clubs in order to scout out venues. Mostly came up empty with the venues I went to. Too many places that are either skewed towards social circle, or all out dance clubs. The former can be too small to talk to a lot of girls (though they can make some great date spots) while the latter has women who are going out to be seen and not necessarily to hook up.

I think I'd grow a lot getting better at night clubs so I'll continue to go to them at least some of the time, but I really need to go hard to find meet markets in this city. They do exist (it is New York lol) but I do have to do more digging to stumble upon those spots.

I have dabbled in some daygame here and there. The main problem is that where I'm at is pretty touristy there are a lot of families that one has to sift through. An hour long outing may net me only one or two women to approach in the streets around my building. Grocery stores are more fruitful, and my more indirect style of game won't get me kicked out or anything lol, but there are still relatively few opportunities around me. Definitely gonna start taking the subway to other parts of town and do daygame there.

 

[Protean]

In field now, but need to post this. Fuck civilians. I will never try to help one get laid again

 

[climbingup]

In field now, but need to post this. Fuck civilians. I will never try to help one get laid again

Hahaha, sounds like a great story. What happened?