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Marty

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What's disturbing about it?
First off, it suggests that there’s an awful lot of subterfuge going on. Of course, adapting behavior to separate public and private spheres is common to both sexes, but this man seems to want us to believe that women are operating on a whole other level of dissimulation, without giving much in the way of explanation.

Second, and more worryingly, taken at face value it would imply that I (and possibly others) having been missing out on some good times all these years.

Long ago I remember reading a very thought-provoking article by Chase entitled Your Mental Model Is Flawed. If this video’s message is even remotely true, my mental model must be very flawed indeed. I’d imagined that people were a lot more … sincere I guess?

Thanks for responding, Will.

I noticed that Tom made a very helpful post to this thread, but it has since vanished. I was going to ask him whether he could give an example from my reports of when I had seemed ‘uncomfortable’ with a woman. I guess he meant socially awkward situations—fortunately, I haven’t experienced too many of those. Anyway, thanks Tom, and sorry that your reply got deleted.
 

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@Marty,

I didn't watch the video, just read the summary and the first few lines of the transcript, plus your description of what the guy is saying, but it seems he's talking about the Secret Society:


You can get a much deeper overview of the Secret Society from those articles than it sounds like you got from the video.

~Chase
 

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I'm not sure why this info looks very new to you. I think stuff like this has been discussed in PUA related literature including GC in some way or form. The fact that women in the current society put on a masculine mask but are more feminine and submissive inside. Although it goes beyond that.

I consider the persona in the bedroom is closer to her "real" persona, especially when she is able to completely let go with a man. Whether she lets go with you depends on if you can make her feel safe and non-judged.

A common trope like he says is the type-A woman who's all achievement-oriented and power-girl at work, needing to have control, while in the bedroom she finally is able to let go of control and feel safe and submissive with a dominant guy. Its actually coming from a need to feel safe in the world. Then you have the soft and meek seeming women who put up a fight in the bedroom lol. Of course, also the soft in and out of the bedroom is a type too.

Another angle:
The dichotomy, I've read elsewhere, comes from suppressed desires/needs. The girl brought up in a childhood where she had to be always in control and self-sufficient to get her needs met (unavailable parents, needing to take care of siblings) finally is able to let go and be submissive in the bedroom. The girl who was always made to feel small tries to assert herself in the bedroom. But how much of that side you'll see depends on you. Sometimes the girls themselves don't know that side to them before you bring it out in them. Interesting stuff.
 

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First off, it suggests that there’s an awful lot of subterfuge going on. Of course, adapting behavior to separate public and private spheres is common to both sexes, but this man seems to want us to believe that women are operating on a whole other level of dissimulation, without giving much in the way of explanation.

The problem he seems to be addressing is where guys screw up their relationships by treating women at face value and thinking all they want in the bedroom is cuddles and sugar coated kisses. Sure they want that, but a lot of times they want something much more dirty. I suggest you look up the statistics on women's fantasies, but to give you an idea, pretty much all women really truly love the following during sex:

- Have their hair pulled
- Get pounded really hard
- Have their ass smacked/squeezed
- Be called dirty things

and very often (probably a majority) love to get physically dominated, tied up, blindfolded, and the list goes on - once they know and trust a guy well enough (not for first date sex unless she's really freaky!).

The problem is that the average dude only knows what he's seen in the movies, where he sits outside her window for weeks holding a bunch of flowers, until one day she takes pity on him, they date for years without sex, and then one day they decide they might as well do the deed, and so they engage in socially approved missionary sex with a choir singing in the background, and live happily ever after.

This is not what a woman needs from a man. She wants to feel his primal energy inside her, she wants to 'tame the beast' so to speak, to bring out his strength and virility and capture it, to be the object of his intense attention, thereby having him for herself. And when she doesn't get that experience, and she really wants it, well, the relationship starts heading for the rocks.

What also trips up so many dudes is they think "I wouldn't like to have XYZ done to me" and assume women are the same, when the reality is that nature created polar opposites, so that a man would enjoy dominance and a woman would enjoy submission, and obviously this means they fit together perfectly.

Second, and more worryingly, taken at face value it would imply that I (and possibly others) having been missing out on some good times all these years.

This is the reality that we all either come to realize, or continue to blunder in blissful ignorance.

Long ago I remember reading a very thought-provoking article by Chase entitled Your Mental Model Is Flawed. If this video’s message is even remotely true, my mental model must be very flawed indeed. I’d imagined that people were a lot more … sincere I guess?

It's not about being sincere or not. The thing is that there is a difference in the way that people judge others in public compared to how they judge either themselves or their intimate partners in private. So naturally women learn to behave one way in public and another way in private.

It's just the way that the social fabric works, and I believe it's perfectly natural for it to be this way.
 

Marty

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I'm not sure why this info looks very new to you. I think stuff like this has been discussed in PUA related literature including GC in some way or form.
Thanks for commenting. One of the many nice things about this forum and accompanying site, DarkJedi, is that it caters to varying levels of expertise. So you’ll forgive me if I am still struggling with a particular issue while you have already integrated it into your skillset and moved on.

Another important point is that it’s one thing to have a superficial familiarity with the theory; it’s quite another to be able to feel it and work with it every day. Of course I’ve encountered a lot of the written material you mention above, but in practice, in the 30 years since I came of age and started dating, I’ve almost never suspected a girlfriend of being anything other than completely honest in our intimate life*, still less of having an entire dual nature. That’s why I’m grateful for the input of more advanced members who can help me enjoy a richer set of experiences.

(*There was one isolated exception that may be worth mentioning. When we were walking back to our hotel along a dark street in an unfamiliar country, one girlfriend implausibly claimed to have been groped by a passerby, obviously seeking to put me in a dangerous situation just so that she could have the pleasure of seeing an altercation between men. Needless to say I didn’t fall for it; I lost a lot of trust in her from that moment on, and as you can guess, the relationship didn’t end well.)

I’ll reply separately to the other very helpful comments when I’ve had a chance to review the materials Chase recommends.
 

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His videos seem quite long winded... probably because I'm a guy who knows most of what he's on about anyway. I put a few on my youtube watch later list, but then found them to be too negative and have stopped listening to him. His stance basically seems to be:

1. women are manipulative drama queens
2. their sexual market value drops with time so men shouldn't invest in them since a man's sexual market value increases with time.

He has a video about why successful men use escorts where he almost recommends using them instead of dating women, as it's too much hassle for guys who have limited time, to date. And funnily at the start of this same video he says he's never used an escort himself. Yet he's no qualms about suggesting others to use them.
 
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Dash of Englishness

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@Marty,

I didn't watch the video, just read the summary and the first few lines of the transcript, plus your description of what the guy is saying, but it seems he's talking about the Secret Society:


You can get a much deeper overview of the Secret Society from those articles than it sounds like you got from the video.

~Chase
Just wondering, what's the difference between PUA articles in general, and GC secret society? Or are those articles somehow more distinct from other GC articles? Of course something doesn't need to be considered secret to be beneficial.
 
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Orion is everywhere

He just did this with Sartain (Mystery's intern at one point)


It's kinda red pill lite, pua lite....etc

There always seems to be a new crop of guys, but new insight seems to be rare.

I'm surprised that he's dealing with Sartain. Might taint his brand.

Chris Williamson interviewed Neil, and the comment section is negative to mixed.

 

Marty

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it seems he's talking about the Secret Society:

You can get a much deeper overview of the Secret Society from those articles than it sounds like you got from the video.

~Chase
Thank you so much, @Chase. Sorry it took me a long while to respond; there is much excellent writing to absorb in that section.

I remember reading the initial Alek Rolstad article back in 2013 when it came out, but I didn't get the full value from it at the time: The reasoning made sense, but the very premise didn't resonate with what (very little) I'd experienced at that point, and the implications didn't seem believable for the same reason. Also, I think that the expression "Secret Society" discouraged me, implying as it seems to that it was something I was being intentionally excluded from. I see that you developed the concept further in your own article on the subject a couple years later, while refining it and addressing that very point.

I was delighted to see an article by Varoon Rajah in this section; I had enjoyed listening to the podcasts he anchored, but had only recently realized that he was the very same Ozzo, aka Grand Pooba, who had helped me out countless times in my early days at the forum and to whom I had tried however modestly to return the favor. Again, I am struggling to relate what he writes to my own (sorely lacking) experience, especially as regards the competitive arena of the mating game (most of this presumably goes on behind closed doors) and how women adjust their behavior to the views of the men around them, especially since it isn't clear how they ascertain these views. Nonetheless, the article is extremely valuable to me and contains links to many other interesting resources; I found the post on understanding women particularly enlightening and more accessible to someone at my level.

In any case, if the thesis of the video I originally linked in this thread is true, that "Every Woman Is Two Women", what is important to me with the women I am dating is that I have access to both of those women in each case, and am not restricted to interacting with one or the other.
 
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