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Cro-Magnon Man
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As far as I know Roosh is very much one of those extreme Red Pill guys.

Personally I don't prescribe to his stuff. I read it a long time ago when I heard he was a respected guy in the community but his stuff goes off the wall... its just not for me personally.

The extreme Red Pill stuff goes a bit too far in my mind. I was attrated to this site since it seems to be geared around trying to become a better guy and having a positive attitude towards women and dating.

Red Pill guys seem to be all about blaming and hating women for all the worlds problems. They go on big rants about "the western woman" and are the type of dudes who have obsessions with timid asian woman who they seem to view as easy and submissive. It's very hard to read for me.

SOme use the Red Pill to NOT improve themselves as men because its an easy way out. Just keep telling themselves that women are the reason for all their problems, then become bitter. The ones who do go the PUA route, it always sounds like they really do want to hurt women. Like sleeping with them is a way to "get back at them".

I don't know. Everyone should read what they like and take the advic they like, ignore the bits they don't. Personally, extreme Red Pill websites or bloggers just turn me off.
 
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Cro-Magnon Man
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IMO it all depends how you look at it. Most younger guys in their 20's maybe early 30's still idealize girls. There is nothing wrong with it, perhaps it is just age, after all girls are cute and sweet...

Once you get some experience, once you mature more and perhaps hit 30's, you start seeing things little bit differently...

IMO Red Pill is not much about hating women, rather about realizing personal immaturity. You start realizing that as a young guy you were putting girls on a pedestal, and the higher value you assigned to them the more difficult was to get that girl... In most cases it was impossible, you did your best yet you ended up being rejected, dumped, depressed... You are not only idealizing girls, but rather the whole world...

See, it is not that the girls are bad, it is the attitude that you have. If she is on the pedestal in any way, it simply means that you are below her level. And as such she is treating you - she is flaking on you, making excuses, doesn't answer your messages and so forth. It is all because you have a low value in her eyes, it is because she doesn't respect you as a man...

Then you change this behavior, you remove the pedestal and make your own value higher - and suddenly things change. You simply say screw it, you go your own way, you start doing things that you like in your way... You say that the girl is great but you don't really need her, you don't even have to have her in your bed, you don't have to live with her, marry her, have children with her nor take a care of her in any way.... You stop doing things to impress others, especially girls - and suddenly women start popping out around you, they show their interest, many times they even chase you... It is truly like a matrix, you just see things differently than the main stream...

Even this desire to be a great seducer is just another way to express this immaturity, it still contain lots of this hidden idealization not only of girls, but the whole world... You are basically working 24/7 on self improvement - most guys don't do it for themselves, most do it only to get the girls, most are working hard to impress girls although not the same way as regular guys... Is it working? Sure, you are becoming better and better, and the more skills you have the higher your value is. At the same time, you are so busy with self improvement that you can't even see that you don't really have to work that hard to get a woman...

See, you are working very hard on seduction because your mind set tells you that it is very difficult to get a good girl... You believe that you have to improve yourself a lot before you get the girl you like.... The Matrix, the Red Pill is simply a realization that most of this behavior is BS, just a false believe... It tells you that you can sleep with many hot girl even today - should you remove them from the pedestal... All you really need is SOME game, some exposure to the women, and then simply just a desire to have sex... After all, girls also love sex - should that be a surprise at first place...
 
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