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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Had my first good experience with night game. I'm definitely not a nighttime person, but I was visiting DC where I didn't know anyone, so went out on a Saturday.

I walked into my first bar which I chose based on the Latin music and the fact that it seemed from the outside to have a decent number of women. Started watching the band and dancing on my own, very minimally, and noticed a girl hovering next to me. I figured she probably wants me to say hi, so I turned towards her, put my mouth near her ear (it was loud), and asked her name. She looked good. Danced with her until the end of the song. I think I impressed her with my skills. Not that I'm an amazing dancer or anything, but I think significantly better than the average guy who'll hit on you at a bar.

At the end of the song I asked her if there's anywhere we can sit at this bar, and she said upstairs. Perfect, away from her friends :). We went up and sat on a couch. The upstairs was almost completely empty. Some talking and figuring out logistics: she was a student, it was her friend's birthday, and this girl was the sober driver. I was completely sober, too, btw, which nicely put us in a similar state of mind. I barely drink - like I said, not a nighttime person. Learned a bit more about her, and based on her behavior I figured she's pretty damn attracted, so I put her hand around my head, put mine around hers, and kissed her.

We continued intermingling talking and making out, with the physicality escalating. At one point she told me it's too bad she's her friends' driver and that I should find a girl who can give me what I want tonight. I said I'm happy with her. I point out her goosebumps and she says, "Well, whose fault is that?" We escalated until her hand was on my crotch and mine was on her inner thigh underneath her dress. Then I told her we're going to go to the bar's bathroom. I had also taken down her number at some point just in case.

Bathroom was taken so we wait, and this is where the mood died a bit. It just took too long for us to get in there, and in the meantime we were standing somewhere downstairs where everyone could see us, maybe even her friends. It was a small bar and not the type of place where anyone else was making out around us. So while I remained physical while we waited, I didn't feel I could be as physical as we were upstairs on that couch. I think I only kept one hand on her, probably mostly on her hip, with some kissing. We also stood there longer than necessary because I kept my energy so focused on her to keep the mood up that multiple times I noticed someone going into the bathroom and realized that, "Damn, the last person came out and I didn't notice." Altogether we probably waited 5 minutes.

Once we got in the bathroom we started to make out again. I told her to take my shirt off. She did, then said she would not sleep with me in that bathroom. She's never done that before and she just met me. I said it's totally fine and we'll go only as far as she wants. I could see she was still uncomfortable, so I stopped and asked if she's alright. I told her, "Listen, it's totally fine if we don't have sex. You could say right now that you wanted to leave this bathroom and it'd be completely ok. I'm glad I met you and not everything is about sex. I don't want or need anything from you." Then I added, "Well, maybe want, but not need. :)" That made her smile and she said it's more believable, and that she feels much better because she doesn't really know me and you can get into some scary situations.

So we continue. In a bathroom I can't go slow like I usually do to tease her and make her comfortable or to spend time overcoming resistance. I pull her dress down below her breasts. Her hand makes it to my crotch again, and I slide my hand up her thigh. I squat down and kiss my way up her thigh as I lift up her dress. Her pussy smells bad and I decide it's not worth tasting to turn her on. Instead I stick my face in there over her panties. I stand back up and slip my hand into her panties and onto her clit. She shudders, then says we should stop and that I should find another girl who can give me what I want. She gave some reasons that made no sense, among them that she should get back to her friends. I say that if her friends needed her, wouldn't they have texted? She says she left her phone with them. I feel that she really does want to stop, so I acquiesce. Still wanting another chance, I say, "How about this: You go back to your friends, and I'll wait around here for another 5 minutes. If you don't come back by then, I'll leave." So far I've known her for maybe 30 minutes.

She didn't come back and I left the bar. I texted her that it was great to meet her, I'm bummed she didn't come back, and hope she enjoys her night (I felt my risk here was attainability so it was best to be as warm as possible). She replies that yeah, her friends wanted to leave so she is now driving them back, but she actually did come back to say goodbye to me. I asked if after she dropped them off would she be way too exhausted to come back out. Over an hour later she responds that it took over an hour to drop them all off and she doesn't want to drive back into the city.

Next day I tried again even though I knew the magic was gone. She said with her schedule she wouldn't be able to make it to the city on a school night, and I was leaving soon.

Analysis?

First off, I don't think I did anything all that exceptional. All I did was notice the fact that she was interested and move things forward quickly. That begs the question, How do I get more girls interested in me like that off the bat? Fundamentals of course, but what specifically? It's not like I can ask her what it was about me she liked, or ask all the other girls what it is that's missing.

I do think going for that bathroom quickly was my best bet. Since she was driving and I was staying at a hostel, logistics would have worked against me the longer I waited. I also do think I could have made more happen if I had escalated better. If I could do it over, I would have moved her hand from my crotch to inside my pants. I think holding my dick in her hand would have affected her. I would also have put more of the escalation burden on her by asking questions like, "That feels great, baby. You're amazing. What else can you do?"

Lastly, I would not have pulled her dress neither down nor up. I think those escalation points make girls think, "Wait, we just went a step further. Am I sure I want to go through with this?" I think I would want to go directly from base 1 to home run, meaning that she would pull out my dick while she was still completely dressed, and in a moment of passion I would in one continuous flow turn her around, bend her over a bit, pull her dress up, her panties to the side, and slide my dick in her.

Thoughts from guys who have successfully pulled girls into bathrooms?
 
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BigS

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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determined,

This is actually pretty impressive. Let me go through some of your analysis with you:

First off, I don't think I did anything all that exceptional. All I did was notice the fact that she was interested and move things forward quickly. That begs the question, How do I get more girls interested in me like that off the bat? Fundamentals of course, but what specifically? It's not like I can ask her what it was about me she liked, or ask all the other girls what it is that's missing.

False. I can count numerous things that you did exceptionally well:

1. You came in with an attitude of indifference, not goal-oriented, which is important.

2. You noticed an indication of interest (IOI- her hovering) and opened her without hesitating.

She brought you upstairs, thus escalating on you, which may be the only thing directly having to do with your fundamentals/how well you danced.

3. When kissing her first, you used a technique called mutual escalation (https://www.girlschase.com/content/mutual-escalation). I haven't used this much, but you did successfully.

4. When you point out her goosebumps, I am not sure exactly what technique would be, but you are creating a chase frame and she really enjoys it. You escalated in public well as far as you could.

5. Your analysis of the interaction was spot on. You lost control of the seduction while waiting in line for the bathroom. It seems like this loss of control was unsexy for the both of you....

Didnt you mention that she drove there? Why not have sex in her car?

Areas for improvement

Logistics, logistics, logistics....

Probably the most important factor for having sex from nightgame is being able to handle logistics.

At one point she told me it's too bad she's her friends' driver and that I should find a girl who can give me what I want tonight. I said I'm happy with her.

This is an escalation window that you missed, my friend. I dont want to beat you up for it too much though, because its one that ive missed countless times myself, I just know how it feels...

She's giving you an objection to sex, not a rejection. This is a logistical problem that she is blatantly, flat out, presenting to you so that you have a chance to solve it.

Solve this problem and you get the treasure inside the chest.

Solution

Now it will benefit you the most to come up with solutions to this problem on your own. Honestly, I love having experiences like the one you just had because it will give you concrete experiences on where you need to grow.

I would focus on honing your skills of persistence, seamless pulls, and handling logistics.

Given escalation windows like the one she presented you with, you need to get comfortable saying things like "we'll only be gone like 30 minutes, lets go". Minimize the situation, persist through her objections, and lead.

Ill get off my soap box now....

Good luck!

BigS
 

determined

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Some good points.

BigS said:
When kissing her first, you used a technique called mutual escalation (https://www.girlschase.com/content/mutual-escalation). I haven't used this much, but you did successfully.
Yes. I forgot to mention that her hand didn't make it my crotch on its own. I had taken her hand to slide it underneath my shirt, but she understood that I was moving it towards my crotch and I chose not to correct her.

BigS said:
When you point out her goosebumps, I am not sure exactly what technique would be, but you are creating a chase frame
Yes, it's a chase frame. I also used a sex frame when I said in her ear, "If we weren't in the middle of this bar I'd rip your clothes off and bend you over this couch." She shuddered.

BUT, the only reason I was able to pull all these things off is because she was interested in me from the get-go before I ever opened my mouth. If I could take just 1% of the girls in the world and have them be attracted to me off the bat like she was, I believe that would improve my results more than any improvement in my game post-open.

BigS said:
She brought you upstairs, thus escalating on you, which may be the only thing directly having to do with your fundamentals/how well you danced.
I think I could have invited her to sit without dancing by talking for 30 seconds instead. She just liked me.

BigS said:
At one point she told me it's too bad she's her friends' driver and that I should find a girl who can give me what I want tonight. I said I'm happy with her.

This is an escalation window that you missed, my friend. I dont want to beat you up for it too much though, because its one that ive missed countless times myself, I just know how it feels...

She's giving you an objection to sex, not a rejection. This is a logistical problem that she is blatantly, flat out, presenting to you so that you have a chance to solve it.
BigS
Wow, you're right... I let that statement completely slip by instead of capitalizing. I should have turned that into a frame of, "You want to sleep with me. You would jump me right now if it wasn't for your logistics. Let's go to the bathroom (or your car)." Then once we got in there she'd be ready to go. I guess I did try to prime her with that sex frame, but I should have made it more clear right before going to the bathroom that, "I'm going to fuck you right now and by coming downstairs with me you are agreeing."

Do you really think my chances would have been better by going to her car? I would have had to walk her out of the bar (her friends would have probably seen), get to the car which could have been a few blocks away, and get her to drive us to a less busy street where people wouldn't see us. I didn't know the area so don't even know where such a street would be and if one exists close by. I couldn't know the bathrooms would be taken until we went back downstairs. What if they were open and we could have gone right in? The obvious benefit of the car, if I got her there, was that I'd have much more time with her in a more intimate and comfortable setting. I also could have told her I needed to use the bathroom and go down to scope them out before inviting her.
 

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Ok, I got it.

My mistake was that I had taken her to the bathroom before she was mentally prepared to sleep with me. Even though she was turned on and having a good time, she wasn't ready to throw all her clothes off. I had said, "We're going to go to the bathroom" and charged ahead assuming compliance, which in other situations is the right thing to do, but here must have had a jarring effect. Combine that with 5 minutes of waiting and she was in a different head space.

Since a bathroom is no place to create comfort or overcome objections, unlike a bedroom, I should have gotten her fully onboard with the "let's have sex right now" idea before taking her there. It would have been as simple as telling her, "I'm going to fuck you right now" and waiting a few seconds to see if she objects. If she didn't, she would be implicitly agreeing and I could take her downstairs with a much higher chance of success.
 
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