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Sounds like you have the main ways of dealing with girls with boyfriends putting up their "I have a bf" LMR down. On a strategic level, you have two viable options here:
It's safe to assume that she wants to sleep with you at this point, but you must recognize that she's now worrying about other consequences. Here you can either:
A lot of guys when they address girls's objections don't go deep enough. They either say something to the effect of:
This is option A in action, where you override her concerns by either appealing to her logic that you are higher value or appealing to her basic sex drive. This is what William specializes in. However, there is a more subtle way. Option B.
Option B: Synthesize The Idea of Sleeping With You With the Image She Has of Herself
Here you need to address her more fundamental, unspoken concerns, and paint a picture in her mind of you two getting together and it being something "real" and something that "just happened".
She wants a good story, and so do you, when it comes down to it. So give it to her.
This isn't just about her libido, but about all levels of her, for lack of a better word, "life energy" (how I see it, lust and spiritual devotion are just different ends of a spectrum of love).
She doesn't want to get with you not because she doesn't want to cheat on her bf, it's really about her. Here the insight that most people don't know what they want and are basically waiting for people to inform them of their desires (welcome to the foundations of our Consumerist society, my friend!) comes in handy.
The problem of LMR often develops long before you get to the seduction location. You can do a few things to improve your chances earlier on.
Some other things you may want to consider including in your escalation process besides the final normal LMR techniques are:
You managed logistics, but her logical and emotional states were not ready for sex. Though having her predominantly in a "turned on" emotional state is key, I've actually been able to sleep with girls on a first date who had a boyfriend simply by removing all her logical objections. She was attracted to me, but it wasn't really on emotionally. I just casually dealt with the deeper foundations of each of her logical objections (which were emotional, though I appealed to them logically), and she realized the soundness of what I was saying, so she proceeded to allow me to bed her.
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There's also the option of the hard-push to keep in mind here. Sometimes, girls with boyfriends need you to go out and take a greater leap of faith. Perhaps try the manhandle kiss or you can even go for the logical hard push and use some heavy sex talk. The latter option requires much more precision though, and is riskier, as you have to weave through the minefield of her logical system of weights and measures. But it can be done, especially if you're a sexy man and she just needs you to increase the lust-er of the image she has of your relationship in her mind.
Howell
- 1) Address Her Objections
2) Ignore Them
It's safe to assume that she wants to sleep with you at this point, but you must recognize that she's now worrying about other consequences. Here you can either:
- A) Override those concerns and push through them
B) Address those concerns and synthesize your getting together with the overall image she has of herself.
A lot of guys when they address girls's objections don't go deep enough. They either say something to the effect of:
- -"I'm higher quality than your bf"
or
-"You should succumb to your libido" (your base desires for reproduction -- "Carpe Diem, baby!")
This is option A in action, where you override her concerns by either appealing to her logic that you are higher value or appealing to her basic sex drive. This is what William specializes in. However, there is a more subtle way. Option B.
Option B: Synthesize The Idea of Sleeping With You With the Image She Has of Herself
Here you need to address her more fundamental, unspoken concerns, and paint a picture in her mind of you two getting together and it being something "real" and something that "just happened".
She wants a good story, and so do you, when it comes down to it. So give it to her.
This isn't just about her libido, but about all levels of her, for lack of a better word, "life energy" (how I see it, lust and spiritual devotion are just different ends of a spectrum of love).
She doesn't want to get with you not because she doesn't want to cheat on her bf, it's really about her. Here the insight that most people don't know what they want and are basically waiting for people to inform them of their desires (welcome to the foundations of our Consumerist society, my friend!) comes in handy.
The problem of LMR often develops long before you get to the seduction location. You can do a few things to improve your chances earlier on.
Some other things you may want to consider including in your escalation process besides the final normal LMR techniques are:
- -Tell her a story of when you were in the type of relationship you're selling her on (sex with you would be something of a signing of a contract, in this metaphor)
-Make sure you reassure her that she isn't a slut. She needs to KNOW that you value women who pursue what they want FAST are the high value ones and who you respect the most. Seed this early on, and then you can come back to it when she's being defensive and she'll know you really mean it.
You managed logistics, but her logical and emotional states were not ready for sex. Though having her predominantly in a "turned on" emotional state is key, I've actually been able to sleep with girls on a first date who had a boyfriend simply by removing all her logical objections. She was attracted to me, but it wasn't really on emotionally. I just casually dealt with the deeper foundations of each of her logical objections (which were emotional, though I appealed to them logically), and she realized the soundness of what I was saying, so she proceeded to allow me to bed her.
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There's also the option of the hard-push to keep in mind here. Sometimes, girls with boyfriends need you to go out and take a greater leap of faith. Perhaps try the manhandle kiss or you can even go for the logical hard push and use some heavy sex talk. The latter option requires much more precision though, and is riskier, as you have to weave through the minefield of her logical system of weights and measures. But it can be done, especially if you're a sexy man and she just needs you to increase the lust-er of the image she has of your relationship in her mind.
Howell
