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Drck

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The way I see it, there are two totally different strategies of seduction. One way is to learn all the seduction techniques that are portrayed here on GC, and don’t make me wrong – these are great techniques, lots of effort and many years were spent to develop them into current form.

The problem is that with all this learning you are putting too much effort into it, you are learning so much about girls – which unintentionally make you put too much value on them. When you go out with the intention of seducing her, make her feel great, vibe with her and have a deep conversation with her, approach her the right way, present yourself as sexy and so on, it is just altogether too stressful on you. You are the one that is working hard to get her instead of the other way. You are the one who is investing, not the other way. Once she has too much value in your eyes – and she does because you invested so much time studying and practicing this – it is difficult to seduce her because you are constantly worrying about what you are doing wrong and what can be improved. You are constantly analyzing and improving, and you have to overcome a lot of barriers that you actually built yourself. But true, once you learn certain level of material you will become quite successful.

But there is this other technique. Somewhere I read about this Pump and Dump philosophy and in summary it describes all you have to know. It is so simple that even fucking Cave Man would be jealous, and the brilliance of it is the simplicity.

You just go out with the intention of “Pump and Dump”. You don’t want to date her, you don’t want to be her BF, you don’t want to marry her, you don't want her to like you, and you don’t want to be her lover either. You don’t want to understand her, you simply don’t care that much about her at all. The only thing you want is sex only. You don’t need any great conversation skills because all you want is to fuck, and after you fuck you will dump her.

From the very beginning of meeting her you PROJECT what you want (to have sex with her) and she’ll either go with you or she’ll run away. You don’t even pretend to be someone with sophisticated knowledge. As a matter of fact, you don’t want to know anything about seduction or dating, you know nothing about girls and you rather present as “dumb and naive” – with the exception that you have strong desire to fuck. Using this “Pump and Dump”, there is nothing wrong; there is nothing to improve and nothing to work on. There is no investment. All you want is to fuck, nothing else, no other effort is needed. You see her as a sex object only, you just want to have temporal fun, pump her and then dump her.

If you have minimal experience with girls this PROJECTION might be difficult to understand, but once you are more familiar with girls it is actually quite simple. You view her as slutty and sexy girl who wants to fuck. You only want to have sex with her, and you are determined to have sex with her. You can’t of course be direct, e.g. you don’t say “Let’s go have sex” but you simply suggest going to your place as soon as you get first opportunity. This may not work on young girls (early 20’s) because they are still too shy, but once she has some experience she is willing to go. You just “Pump and Dump” ANY girl, whether she is 4/10 or 9/10 there are simply no exceptions. Ok, I understand your concern about 3/10, your dick wouldn’t get up because the mustache under her feminist nose is too repulsive, but for the purpose of learning – let there be no sorry ass beta excuses!

Think about it, by literally doing nothing this “Pump and Dump” technique will place you to a position that all the great seducers are dreaming about and learning many years: being alpha, being dominant, being ‘natural’, being hard to get – while she is chasing you and so on…

Happy Pumping!
 
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Similar to aloof/asshole game but many newbies struggle to even look at a girl or even command her to do anything. Pump and dump comes from experience, after losing so many girls that it doesn't even matter anymore, they will either follow you or you will dump them on the spot and never look back. Somewhat a hard mentality to get into much less apply. What would be best is to mix it up with some G.C material and a "pump & dump" mentality, or even better ruin a seduction on purpose with a girl who is lukewarm with you to get the feel and experience of this mentality. That way, next time you will be less nervous/eager to please/impress a girl because you know it won't be the end of the world if it doesn't work out. After a while, your objective becomes clear and you have less tolerance for b.s and it makes your intentions very clear of what you expect from a girl. Thus, she will either take it or leave it, my thoughts on this anyway...
 

Nova

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To a degree the pump and dump mentality and projection that you talk about is one very worth adopting, not just for new guys but for veterans as well. And actually Chase has touched on this subject already in several articles (I remember one off the top of my head on 'viewing a girl as a sex object' or something') It gets guys thinking more so along the right lines vis-a-vis sex and moving things forward efficiently then most men out there who follow the default mainstream approach.

I wouldn't recommend making this mentality your one sole piece of knowledge and 'seduction based tactic' or whatever you want to call it if your goal is real & consistent success though, because if you do, you will be missing out on many girls who would have eventually been responsive if you were to have executed a more nuanced and finesse approach to seducing her versus purely thinking about fucking her and moving things forward.

Every seduction is different, every girl needs a different degree of comfort, conversation, chase framing, investment, you name it. What Chase teaches is a very balanced approach to seduction encompassing various different elements which if a guy learns to use efficiently will be very very useful to him in the long run.

If a man focuses solely on developing a 'pump n dump' mentality and nothing else, he won't end up being a very successful seducer. He will be one dimensional and will run into many situations which he doesn't know how to deal with. Yeh to a new guy all this information may be stressful and what not, which is why Chase has always advocated concenting on 1-3 elements at a time. Learning a new skill always requires hard work, that doesn't mean you should avoid it, the end results will be more than worth it, I promise!

The problem is that with all this learning you are putting too much effort into it, you are learning so much about girls – which unintentionally make you put too much value on them

No, all of this learning will help a man understand the female psyche, mind and condition developing a degree of familiarity and understanding which will free a mans mind and allow him to view women from a far healthier angle, pedestal free! The whole reason men place too much value on women in the first place is because they are an unknown quantity & rare commodity. But girls don't have to be unknown or rare, and when they are not, there is no pressure or unnecessary value. Knowledge is power.

I think you are looking for an easy way out. An easy effective one size fits all approach to a stream of constant pussy, and you want it to require no real work at all. Good luck
 

Marty

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Nova:
Nova said:
No, all of this learning will help a man understand the female psyche, mind and condition developing a degree of familiarity and understanding which will free a mans mind and allow him to view women from a far healthier angle, pedestal free! The whole reason men place too much value on women in the first place is because they are an unknown quantity & rare commodity. But girls don't have to be unknown or rare, and when they are not, there is no pressure or unnecessary value. Knowledge is power.
Yes, I do agree with this very much indeed! I am so much less surprised by what I encounter than I was a year ago, it just isn't funny.

Drck:
Drck said:
The problem is that with all this learning you are putting too much effort into it, you are learning so much about girls – which unintentionally make you put too much value on them. When you go out with the intention of seducing her, make her feel great, vibe with her and have a deep conversation with her, approach her the right way, present yourself as sexy and so on, it is just altogether too stressful on you. You are the one that is working hard to get her instead of the other way. You are the one who is investing, not the other way. Once she has too much value in your eyes – and she does because you invested so much time studying and practicing this – it is difficult to seduce her because you are constantly worrying about what you are doing wrong and what can be improved. You are constantly analyzing and improving, and you have to overcome a lot of barriers that you actually built yourself.
What is very interesting about this, for me, is that when I started this process, I came to it with an overwhelmingly positive view of women.

Call it naïvété if you wish. I had had very favorable experiences with an extremely narrow set of women, essentially those with whom I had enjoyed a sexual relationship. They had for the most part been kind, loving, thoughtful, sincere, caring and loyal throughout. My problem was that I knew I could never keep them happy, because of my longing for new excitement and excessive love of many women, and inability to focus on one.

So when I began this Girls Chase journey and started seeking out women for casual enjoyment, I believe I fell into the exact trap that you described above. I was astounded to discover that in the casual context, women appear to be the exact opposite of what I described above: unkind, cold, thoughtless, superficial, uncaring, and capricious. It was (and still is) quite a shock.

I can't quite make out whether it is caused my my own outlook (as you described, Drck) placing too much value upon them, or whether it is selection bias resulting from the seeking-out of women for uncommitted enjoyment. One of my reasons for moving to the States a few years back was that I was experiencing frustration with the level of "seriousness" of the women in the region where I was previously residing, meaning essentially that they expected a long-term relationship or marriage in exchange for their sexual favors—which would basically ruin the whole fun. I had imagined that American women were a great deal more socially liberal, caring less about conservative issues such as fidelity, commitment and the like. But now when I try to put what I have learned into practice I find that they actually have TOO short an attention span, almost never showing up for a second date, even if the first ended excellently.

I am still in inner turmoil, unable to resolve this issue to my satisfaction, but the discussion you and Nova are having seems, on the face of it, to be intimately connected with this problem.

-Marty
 

Drck

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Good points Marty and Nova.

I truly believe there are shortcuts to get laid, and it all depends on how you view women and what do you want from that particular relationship... I kinda tent to believe that women are somehow your mirror - if you want to be a lover with all the fancy seduction, romance, great vibes and so on, they will view you as a lover. And I am sure they love it... If you just want to get laid you don't really need all the fancy seduction and connections with women - you project strong sexuality and that will get you laid. And they love it too. Why? Because all women love sex, maybe not at the moment but eventually yes... If you present yourself as a friend, well, she will just shift you to her friend zone and she may love having you as a great friend....

The obvious problems with novice is that he has no clue about women, he is afraid to approach them and talk to them.... He can't get laid because he was raised as a nice guy... He still believe that he needs to date her for weeks and that he needs to be nice to her before he gets laid. He believes that when he sleeps with her he has to be nice again.... Which obviously doesn't work, he gets rejected, hurt, and starts looking around...

Then he starts learning all this seduction stuff, and now he discovers the whole new world, so much different from what he knew. Everything is totally backwards.... Now there is a huge learning curve for him, and in the process of learning of all this amazing new stuff he kinda forgets what is the whole purpose of seduction... He seduces her, takes her home, gets her to sit on his bed - and now what? She sits there, she already took her panties off, yet he is still thinking what else needs to be done to seduce her... Now he has to push himself the last 5% because he is not horny enough... his mind is still in seduction mode in stead of in sex mode, and thus he is having difficulties nailing her...

Then you take Naturals. They have some attraction, and they get laid frequently without knowing much about seduction. Why? Because they want sex and they go for it. They just go out, have some fun with the girl, and once the opportunity opens they simply take it. There is no need for pushing the last 5%, they just have sex because they want it...

And take many experienced seducers. They know lots of stuff, but do they use it? Nope. They use only minimal skills (least effort) to get laid. Why throw everything out there if she is already walking to his house? It just doesn't make sense. As a matter of fact, you may find that many times they stop carrying about 8/10 or 9/10. They stop wasting time and energy on those hot ones because they don't worth the effort (which in turn makes them even more attractive to these girls). They just nail many 5-6/10 because there is only a minimal effort to seduce such girl (assuming you have good fundamentals) and there is no regret when she is gone. The seduction process slowly disappears and the only thing left is satisfaction from sex. Simply said, once they get enough experience they get over all the the seduction process and focus directly on sex...

From this point of view, seduction is only a way to get familiar with women, to get practice and exposure, to get comfortable while being around them... But seduction itself is not the goal. The goal is to get laid, to have sex. To have sex the way YOU want...

So when you combine naturals who have no clue about seduction with experienced seducers, the common denominator is sort of Pump and Dump anyway...

If you are still this guy who wants to vibe with the girl, make her comfortable and feel excited, connect with her, have great romantic sex with while she is having lots of orgasms and so on, there is still a lot of supplicating Beta behavior in you... and I'm not saying that it is wrong, we all were simply raised like that, we all dream about that one pure princess that will show up one day and will chose to be with us forever and ever... But the reality is that you still put a lot of value on her, you still want to impress her with your smoothness and various skills... you basically still want her to admire you and fall in love with you....

But Once you pass this point you just stop carrying. You stop pleasing her, you don't care about whether she gets orgasm, and you could care less whether she likes you. You just fuck her the way you want, you let her suck your dick and fuck her ass, or whatever that is that you desire... It sounds cynical and selfish, and it probably is, but all you care about is only satisfying your dick. Which, in contrary to popular believe in current society, will make you quite attractive man with dominant behavior... Think about it, Nice Guys can't have that nasty sex, they can't truly dominate her, they can't fuck her ass because, well, Nice Guys simply don't do it. It is not nice! they tell you.... And if she can't get it from them she secretly craves guys who can do it. Why? Because she is so fucking tired of all the Nice Guys, she wants that nasty fucking sex from dominant guy......

So all you have to do is Pump and Dump, no remorse involved. There is no last 5%, those become first and the most important 5%... the rest 95% is just waste of time....
 
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