Question about low key gaming styles

[StrayDog]

Hey gentleman. I tend to fluctuate between being very extroverted and out going, and very introverted and lacking in a lot of social motivation. When I get this way the whole seduction process feels clunky and tedious and difficult to start in the first place. I have built most of my game around the more outgoing aspect of my personality, and that is generally where I have the most success. Recently I have been aiming to devolpe a more low key, introverted style of game, as this is where I tend to falter most. It's these moods where I can't really rely on my quick wit and gift of gab banter abilities. I can get definitely get into some solid conversations, which usually end up having a bit of a deeper more existential quality if they take , but they tend to lack a really forward movement momentum or electricity, friction, chemistry. And some times its tricky to even get the conversation rolling at all.
It feels like if I can crack this egg, my game will improve ten fold. I know there is tons of material out there about a more low key introverted style of game, but I am really curious what y'all have to say about the matter. Any tips, tricks, core principles, mindsets that can help when I get in a more introverted headspace?

 

[ulrich]

Well, the core principle of being a good conversationalist is being interested in the other party. It will serve you well here.

If you are feeling low energy, I would suggest deep diving by asking some open ended questions that are deep and meaningful… the kind that would get people excited talking about themselves like:
“So, why did you make that decision?”
“What is you’re aiming for in life?”
“What do you like in a man?”
“What’s your biggest adventure so far?”
“Do you have a crazy story about your life/childhood?”

All the while listening and running your nonverbal game (gesticulation and kino).

I have had many seductions run where the girl is doing 90% of the talking.
The tricky part is that they normally don’t start like that… you still have to do most of the talking at the opening and, if you are skilled, past the hook point you can switch more and more to a less effort position.

 

[StrayDog]

Well, the core principle of being a good conversationalist is being interested in the other party. It will serve you well here.

If you are feeling low energy, I would suggest deep diving by asking some open ended questions that are deep and meaningful… the kind that would get people excited talking about themselves like:
“So, why did you make that decision?”
“What is you’re aiming for in life?”
“What do you like in a man?”
“What’s your biggest adventure so far?”
“Do you have a crazy story about your life/childhood?”

All the while listening and running your nonverbal game (gesticulation and kino).

I have had many seductions run where the girl is doing 90% of the talking.
The tricky part is that they normally don’t start like that… you still have to do most of the talking at the opening and, if you are skilled, past the hook point you can switch more and more to a less effort position.

Thanks for the pointers @uriel . This made me realize two things. The first is that when I am in this mood the the biggest hurdle is most likely going to be the opener to the hooking point. I have no trouble with deeper conversations, and actually prefer them/am rather skilled at it (where as when I am feeling extroverted I tend to prefer quick banter) But I struggle drawing women in to that to that point, as my openers often tend to rely on wit and energy. In this mode my energy is lower and I have trouble generating openers that hook.

The next point here that I really loved was using Kino. For some reason in this mood I am very reserved with touch and bridging the gap between conversation and touch. This feels like an easy, yet crucial, adjustment.

I also might just be psyching myself out when I feel this way. A major lack in social motivation. It is a hurdle I need to overcome. Like I can just get annoyed with the whole process itself. And then this feeling compounds itself when interactions are falling flat.

 

[ulrich]

Have you experimented with genuine compliment openers? Or curiosity openers?

I have found them to be pretty useful when I want to be low key.

“Hey, that’s a nice tattoo… does it have a meaning?”
“I have to say, I love your dress/outfit/style… I can tell you’re something different”
“Hey, I saw you, and I just had to tell you I loooove the way you walk… so much presence”

It’s still going to be you talking 70% of the time at the beginning but you already start in a much calmer mood.

 

[Alpha13SC]

Have you experimented with genuine compliment openers? Or curiosity openers?

I have found them to be pretty useful when I want to be low key.

“Hey, that’s a nice tattoo… does it have a meaning?”
“I have to say, I love your dress/outfit/style… I can tell you’re something different”
“Hey, I saw you, and I just had to tell you I loooove the way you walk… so much presence”

It’s still going to be you talking 70% of the time at the beginning but you already start in a much calmer mood.

Ty for ideas.

 

[StrayDog]

Have you experimented with genuine compliment openers? Or curiosity openers?

I have found them to be pretty useful when I want to be low key.

“Hey, that’s a nice tattoo… does it have a meaning?”
“I have to say, I love your dress/outfit/style… I can tell you’re something different”
“Hey, I saw you, and I just had to tell you I loooove the way you walk… so much presence”

It’s still going to be you talking 70% of the time at the beginning but you already start in a much calmer mood.

Appreciate you spit balling with me on this. I never thought of this type of openers as being low key but that makes perfect sense. It has a level of directness to it that is distinctly different from something with a bit more banter.

This convo, through process of elimination, is making me realize that at its core this issue has more to do with me psyching my self out and a lack of motivation. This was already kind of addressed in tis post here https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/energy-drops-in-night-game.25660/ and it just keeps getting clearer to me that this is the issue.

For example. Last night I was really struggled to get motivation up. Some nights I work the room like it aint no thing, but tonight I just sit at the bar kind of just minding my own business. Everynow and then a women comes up to order a drink and we chat a bit. But all the convos fizzle out. I am pretty sure it is because I am super nonchalant about it all and not really proactive in making something happen. Any way, I don't really get some momentum going until I change venues about an hour and a half later. Now, at this venue I get in pretty quick with a group of 4 fine young ladies. They are just my type and we are all hitting it off. There is a feeling that I could probably have my pick of the litter. However, I am still lacking in motivation and am kind of hands off. I fail to pick an individual gal to hone in on, and draw the interaction into something more seductive. I fail to introduce touch when I clearly could. My presence now becomes more of the "cool guy who is just hanging out" vibe. The energy dissipates and they all decide to go have a smoke outside. It is a half an hour before closing time and I imagine that if I were more motivated I could have re opened one of them and got some energy moving again. I didn't really have the energy to approach new people and I felt like would just hanging around waiting for a moment to re open the set of 4. Its a small venue too so there wasn't really anywhere I could hide out of sight and wait it out. I lacked the motivation and just called it a night.
I am realizing that when I am in this mood I lack a sort of confidence in making moves that I have made countless times before (psyching myself out.) And also the motivation to make those moves and see it through. Also when things take unexpected turns or aren't just flowing right along it kind of takes the wind out of my sails and I am just like "fuck it." Admittedly there is an element of me feeling like I am going to fuck it up and not stick the landing at play. Like I feel like I am going to come up short before I even shoot my shot. Maybe this comes from past experiences when I was less experienced, and the feeling that I still haven't ironed out all of the bad habits I was prone to make (and still am to a far lesser degree)

So yes, developing a low key style of game can help me here. But I can't confuse that with believing I can develope a style of game that just doesn't require effort. That's not realistic

 

[TomInHo]

So yes, developing a low key style of game can help me here. But I can't confuse that with believing I can develop a style of game that just doesn't require effort. That's not realistic

Here's the funny thing about game... it always requires effort

If you want to be opening lots of sets in a night that is going to require obvious effort.

But how about the guy that has girls giving him AI's and chasing him while he looks relaxed? On the outside it may look like he is expending little energy, but internally he is actually expending a lot.

It's the Law Of Least Effort

To make low energy game work, you need to do a lot of work prior like..
- Sharpen Your Fundamentals
- Learn how to generate AI's
- Master the Pre-approach
- Master the early flow of conversation
- Keep girls chasing while you lead the interaction... (like using lots of curiosity gambits and deep dives)

A lot of things are going on, but when people see you running game it's looks like you ain't doing anything special until your boinking the gal in your apartment after only knowing her for an hour

So if I were to summarize having good introverted/low energy game it would have to be learn how to captivate girls with your non-verbals and then give them a chance to show you, why you should let them into your world

Captivate > Qualify > Close

 

[StrayDog]

Here's the funny thing about game... it always requires effort

If you want to be opening lots of sets in a night that is going to require obvious effort.

But how about the guy that has girls giving him AI's and chasing him while he looks relaxed? On the outside it may look like he is expending little energy, but internally he is actually expending a lot.

It's the Law Of Least Effort

To make low energy game work, you need to do a lot of work prior like..
- Sharpen Your Fundamentals
- Learn how to generate AI's
- Master the Pre-approach
- Master the early flow of conversation
- Keep girls chasing while you lead the interaction... (like using lots of curiosity gambits and deep dives)

A lot of things are going on, but when people see you running game it's looks like you ain't doing anything special until your boinking the gal in your apartment after only knowing her for an hour

So if I were to summarize having good introverted/low energy game it would have to be learn how to captivate girls with your non-verbals and then give them a chance to show you, why you should let them into your world

Captivate > Qualify > Close

Love this post, dude. I've been aiming to narrow my focus in-game and refine a more specific subsect of skills I can then plug into my game in the larger sense. This gives me some solid ideas of areas I can focus on that would really help with this more low-key style I am aiming to develop.

If you have any thoughts on the following questions that would be majorly helpful
-Are there any methods of generating AI's you are particularly fond of?
-What elements do you feel are crucial to solid pre-approach gaming
-what are some curiosity gambits you have had the most success with?
-Are there any methods or techniques you have for getting your head in the game when your motivation starts to wane?

 

[TomInHo]

If you have any thoughts on the following questions that would be majorly helpful

Could do a long winded post about my style of low energy game, but happy to give some insight on my process

-Are there any methods of generating AI's you are particularly fond of?
-What elements do you feel are crucial to solid pre-approach gaming

Low energy game works best when you can inspire intrigue and curiosity in girls, through using seduction tech during the pre-approach

My favorite ways of doing this are...

SEXUALIZED PEACOCKING
This is such an underrated element of seduction, and if you can master this, you can have women approaching you all night. But there is a good way to peacock and a bad way

Peacocking got popularized by Mystery, but I'm not a fan of his execution. He got guys dressing like complete clowns to get attention in the field. Now this may be better than dressing like a normal guy but you end up getting the wrong type of attention...

Think about it, who do girls fantasize about getting railed by in the bathroom? Jerry the Clown, or Enrico the Rockstar Badboy

So you want to dress in a way that matches sexual stereotypes and also makes social sense for your venue. You can of course add your own flare to it but the closer you match a fantasy that's already established in her mind the better.

Doing this will also make it easier to lay on sexual frames very fast, so some examples of seductive archetypes to pull from are..

- Mafia Boss
- Bad Boy
- Fit Guy
- Artist
- Rockstar Musician
- Rapper
- Surfer Guy
- Rogue Biker
- Lumberjack
- Dandy ( Think of the Artist formerly known as Prince)

LOW ENERGY MARKETING
Once you've built up your sexy product (You), now it's time to market it. Because if nobody knows about your product, you're never going to get any sales.. aka sex

The common way of introducing your product to women is through doing lots of cold approach and then displaying attractive qualities that entice them to buy.

But when using low energy game, being seen making a lot of approaches can reduce your aura of mystery and perceived level of power. So instead, we focus on displaying attractive qualities up front and baiting girls to come to us by...

- Finding an area in the venue that has lots of traffic and posting up to strike a pose
- Displaying relaxed and dominant body language through-ought
- Having a small awareness radius and seeming unbothered... (Looking slightly bored like you've seen it all before)
- Strolling around the venue in a slow deliberate manner to show off the goods
- Using your peripheral to scope out the venue and possible targets to maintain your effortless demeanor
- Hovering in front of girls you find attractive and trigger AI's
- Dancing in a sexualized manner all by yourself

If you do this right you will start to notice some very interesting things

Guys will start approaching you
When this starts happening it means you're on the right track. People are starting to notice your powerful sexy vibe and because men tend to be more aggressive they would be the ones to show interest in you first..

But beware.. If you spend too much time with them, they can destroy your aura and you will fall prey to guilty by association. They notice other women checking you out, and are hoping some of your magic will rob off on them.

They might even try to bribe you with drinks and drugs to keep you around. Literally have had guys approach me and buy me rounds of drinks after only knowing them for less than 10 seconds when using this style of game.

And If you also happen to get into a set with them, their lack of social calibration can ruin things for you

So when this happens, be polite but keep thing short with them

Women will start hovering you
You may have started your marketing in an area with girl just walking by yet with no one around. But all of a sudden you will look up and are surrounded by a sea of women just hanging out close to you. This isn't a coincidence

When this happens you can open them however you like, because the chance that they'll be receptive is extremely high

Women will mirror you
This one is kind of funny. But if you are chilling in a very relaxed manner, women will come close to you and start mirroring you in an obvious way.

This is very observable when you do your marketing on the dance floor, and girls start copying your laidback/sexy dance moves

Women will glare at you
Not just look at you, but eye fuck the shit out of you. They're so intrigued by your presence that they can't help but stare longly at you trying to figure out why you seem so goddamn sexy

Women will approach you
There's a myth that women never approach men and that to get the ball rolling we must do all the work. This is false...

Because if you were getting all the previous signs, but still didn't make a move and seemed lost in your own world, the women that are attracted to you will realize... "Damn, if I don't do anything, I may never get a chance with this man... F*ck it let me go try my luck"

And when they approach it can come in various flavors
- Hit you with a situational opener
- Literally hit you by bumping into you and then staying put, hoping you strike up convo
- Address your coolness.. "Why are you just chilling here?" "Did you come here by yourself" "Do you own this place?"
- Come in hot.. "You look like you could be a good time"

Sometimes they will even approach with overt sexuality.

Like a few weekends ago I had this woman that came with her two guy friends approach me. She was staring at me all night and when we finally met eyes, I looked at her seductively for 3-5 seconds and then broke eye contact to the side to resume enjoying my own reality...

Next thing you know, I saw her making a beeline towards me through my peripheral and she open me by saying.. "Why were you looking at me like that?" I was like "Like what?" to which she proceeded to start smelling my neck, saying "You smell nice" then looked deep into my eyes before laying a big fat kiss on me

-what are some curiosity gambits you have had the most success with?

CAPTIVES OF CURIOSITY
For this style of game you are the curiosity gambit. Women are so enamored by you they want to discover the secret behind your aura. And to keep them on the hook you need to keep that air of the unknown going to maximize the tension

Simple things to accomplish this are...

- Keep conversation focused on them
- Qualify them on their answers to keep them engaged and chasing
- When they ask you questions, give short open ended answers that force them to try to unravel you more.. but then ping back convo on them
- Don't talk too much about yourself, but talk about things outside of you more.... (Sex Talk works wonders here)
- Show mixed signals with your verbals and non verbals... They should know you're interested but not feel like you're entirely sold on them. This uncertainty will raise their compliance and make it easier to move them around the venue or pull them home for a quick shag

-Are there any methods or techniques you have for getting your head in the game when your motivation starts to wane?

Ironically I discovered this style of game, when I lost motivation for seduction. I had been getting results but was tired of trying so damn hard. So instead of trying to be perfect, I focused on just staying consistent with going out every week and seeing what happens.

Which ironically lead to even more results... I swear sometimes the universe doesn't make any sense

This is definitely not for beginners but I feel like high level intermediate and advanced seducers can gain a lot by actually trying less, and not worrying too much about the finer details

 

[StrayDog]

Could do a long winded post about my style of low energy game, but happy to give some insight on my process



Low energy game works best when you can inspire intrigue and curiosity in girls, through using seduction tech during the pre-approach

My favorite ways of doing this are...

SEXUALIZED PEACOCKING
This is such an underrated element of seduction, and if you can master this, you can have women approaching you all night. But there is a good way to peacock and a bad way

Peacocking got popularized by Mystery, but I'm not a fan of his execution. He got guys dressing like complete clowns to get attention in the field. Now this may be better than dressing like a normal guy but you end up getting the wrong type of attention...

Think about it, who do girls fantasize about getting railed by in the bathroom? Jerry the Clown, or Enrico the Rockstar Badboy

So you want to dress in a way that matches sexual stereotypes and also makes social sense for your venue. You can of course add your own flare to it but the closer you match a fantasy that's already established in her mind the better.

Doing this will also make it easier to lay on sexual frames very fast, so some examples of seductive archetypes to pull from are..

- Mafia Boss
- Bad Boy
- Fit Guy
- Artist
- Rockstar Musician
- Rapper
- Surfer Guy
- Rogue Biker
- Lumberjack
- Dandy ( Think of the Artist formerly known as Prince)

LOW ENERGY MARKETING
Once you've built up your sexy product (You), now it's time to market it. Because if nobody knows about your product, you're never going to get any sales.. aka sex

The common way of introducing your product to women is through doing lots of cold approach and then displaying attractive qualities that entice them to buy.

But when using low energy game, being seen making a lot of approaches can reduce your aura of mystery and perceived level of power. So instead, we focus on displaying attractive qualities up front and baiting girls to come to us by...

- Finding an area in the venue that has lots of traffic and posting up to strike a pose
- Displaying relaxed and dominant body language through-ought
- Having a small awareness radius and seeming unbothered... (Looking slightly bored like you've seen it all before)
- Strolling around the venue in a slow deliberate manner to show off the goods
- Using your peripheral to scope out the venue and possible targets to maintain your effortless demeanor
- Hovering in front of girls you find attractive and trigger AI's
- Dancing in a sexualized manner all by yourself

If you do this right you will start to notice some very interesting things

Guys will start approaching you
When this starts happening it means you're on the right track. People are starting to notice your powerful sexy vibe and because men tend to be more aggressive they would be the ones to show interest in you first..

But beware.. If you spend too much time with them, they can destroy your aura and you will fall prey to guilty by association. They notice other women checking you out, and are hoping some of your magic will rob off on them.

They might even try to bribe you with drinks and drugs to keep you around. Literally have had guys approach me and buy me rounds of drinks after only knowing them for less than 10 seconds when using this style of game.

And If you also happen to get into a set with them, their lack of social calibration can ruin things for you

So when this happens, be polite but keep thing short with them

Women will start hovering you
You may have started your marketing in an area with girl just walking by yet with no one around. But all of a sudden you will look up and are surrounded by a sea of women just hanging out close to you. This isn't a coincidence

When this happens you can open them however you like, because the chance that they'll be receptive is extremely high

Women will mirror you
This one is kind of funny. But if you are chilling in a very relaxed manner, women will come close to you and start mirroring you in an obvious way.

This is very observable when you do your marketing on the dance floor, and girls start copying your laidback/sexy dance moves

Women will glare at you
Not just look at you, but eye fuck the shit out of you. They're so intrigued by your presence that they can't help but stare longly at you trying to figure out why you seem so goddamn sexy

Women will approach you
There's a myth that women never approach men and that to get the ball rolling we must do all the work. This is false...

Because if you were getting all the previous signs, but still didn't make a move and seemed lost in your own world, the women that are attracted to you will realize... "Damn, if I don't do anything, I may never get a chance with this man... F*ck it let me go try my luck"

And when they approach it can come in various flavors
- Hit you with a situational opener
- Literally hit you by bumping into you and then staying put, hoping you strike up convo
- Address your coolness.. "Why are you just chilling here?" "Did you come here by yourself" "Do you own this place?"
- Come in hot.. "You look like you could be a good time"

Sometimes they will even approach with overt sexuality.

Like a few weekends ago I had this woman that came with her two guy friends approach me. She was staring at me all night and when we finally met eyes, I looked at her seductively for 3-5 seconds and then broke eye contact to the side to resume enjoying my own reality...

Next thing you know, I saw her making a beeline towards me through my peripheral and she open me by saying.. "Why were you looking at me like that?" I was like "Like what?" to which she proceeded to start smelling my neck, saying "You smell nice" then looked deep into my eyes before laying a big fat kiss on me



CAPTIVES OF CURIOSITY
For this style of game you are the curiosity gambit. Women are so enamored by you they want to discover the secret behind your aura. And to keep them on the hook you need to keep that air of the unknown going to maximize the tension

Simple things to accomplish this are...

- Keep conversation focused on them
- Qualify them on their answers to keep them engaged and chasing
- When they ask you questions, give short open ended answers that force them to try to unravel you more.. but then ping back convo on them
- Don't talk too much about yourself, but talk about things outside of you more.... (Sex Talk works wonders here)
- Show mixed signals with your verbals and non verbals... They should know you're interested but not feel like you're entirely sold on them. This uncertainty will raise their compliance and make it easier to move them around the venue or pull them home for a quick shag



Ironically I discovered this style of game, when I lost motivation for seduction. I had been getting results but was tired of trying so damn hard. So instead of trying to be perfect, I focused on just staying consistent with going out every week and seeing what happens.

Which ironically lead to even more results... I swear sometimes the universe doesn't make any sense

This is definitely not for beginners but I feel like high level intermediate and advanced seducers can gain a lot by actually trying less, and not worrying too much about the finer details

@TomInHo is dropping so much gold, you'd think he is King Midas.

Aside from just having tons of solid pointers and a good angle on this type of game, you have helped me with a crucial reflection. I realize that I run this style of game often, and had decent success doing it. I originally thought I was running a more upbeat game, and that is probably true to a degree, but I may actually be mixing styles in a way that isn't always congruent. This could possibly be a large factor in why I tend to get mixed results. Maybe I will get better results if I can identify where my mood and energy are at a given moment, and commit to narrowing my game down to a consistent and congruent style There is a lot to chew on here, and more importantly, test out in-field. I live in a relatively smaller city and have somewhat saturated the market with my presence so opportunities aren't always as ample as they have been in the past so it might be a bit slow-moving as long as I am in the area. Opportunities always arise though, as long as I keep at it. And besides, I had an adventurous time with a creative tourist gal last night, so I am feeling peachy. thanks for the insights, everybody

And just a note on what @TomInHo has to say about staying motivated. such a solid reminder that consistency is key and not to get hung up on the details. Amazing what can come out of just doing the thing and being chill about it