Question from a curious white guy for guys in here who aren't white.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I hate to compare races but I have personally seen a lot more attractive and quality white girls with latinos than any other minority group and these weren't European latinos either. Now I can go into the kind of white girls I have known who had a thing for black guys but I won't even go there. What I find is that whites typically hype up black guys due to some cultural stereotypes but most guys of any race (whether they are black, latino, asian, or white), most black guys do not have amazing game.

Latinos on the other hand do not get enough credit. When I stayed in Texas I saw so many hispanic guys who were brown in appearance with anglo women, it is pretty common there. What I will say is that out of all minority groups, when it comes to chasing white girls (if that is your thing), Latinos have the widest range to pick from. It doesn't get much attention but a swarthy looking latino with a white female is a pretty common couple across the nation.

Of course, latinos never really brag about sleeping with white women or marrying one so that is probably why it doesn't get much attention. That and the fact that it is so common in some places people accept it as the norm. I know latino can mean white latinos but I am mainly talking the more ethnic and exotic looking ones such as Adam Rodriguez or Mario Lopez.

 

[Chase]

I think it's worth throwing in a few notes about racism / social pressure white men receive dating out of their race, too, since there are guys here that think white men can do whatever they want sans social pressure.

I've known a number of American white men and white women who looked down on white men dating other races. If a white guy is dating a Latin girl, it's because he's some kind of depraved sex addict who needs the over-crazy fieriness of Latin women. If he's dating an Asian girl, it's because he couldn't get a white girlfriend because Asian girls are easy and all have a white guy fetish. If he's dating a black girl, he's probably poor / lower class / ghettoized.

While there are plenty of white people who find dating outside the white race exotic and will envy someone who tries it, there are plenty of others who view it as "dating down" and will shame them or give them subtle, "Oh... you're dating a [race]? Hmm," then elaborate no further. But the communication is clear: "I see you couldn't find a white girl."

With recent immigrants or outside a white country, whites dating outside their race will face skepticism from non-whites too. When I had a Chinese girlfriend in China hint to her parents that she was dating a white guy, they were horrified and commanded her to break it off immediately, because what hope could she ever have of finding a good Chinese husband if he knew she'd been tainted by a foreigner? When I had a black girl I was sleeping with take a phone call from one of her parents who started grilling her about me, there was a distinct pause and drop in the voice tone when she said, "... he's white." It was clear she expected mother not to approve.

As a white guy in America, you will approach groups of Asian girls with Asian guys and will be rudely snubbed, because the Asian girls want to put it on full display for the Asian males in their group how utterly uninterested in white guys they are. You will approach pairs of black girls who will jokingly flirt with and tease you, but in a "he's a harmless white guy" sort of way, then watch them immediately turn on and get serious when an attractive black guy walks into the picture. Many Indian or Middle Eastern women you'll meet will actually be uncomfortable and over-cautious around you. I experienced all this in spades when I was just starting out and had a lot of work to do on fundamentals yet. Non-white races can be extremely cliquish in rejecting you and treating themselves as superior simply because they are [race] and you are just another boring white person who thinks he can do whatever but, nope, sorry, THIS isn't for YOU.

The solution, of course, is the same for a white male as it is for a male of any race: get your game and fundamentals so on-lock that race becomes a peripheral factor, and the first thing anyone sees when he or she looks at you is not "white man" or "black man" or "Asian man" or "Indian man" but "wow - incredibly ATTRACTIVE man!" and race is a distant consideration.

Chase

 

[JjP]

I'm noticeably Hispanic and I haven't seen any problems of it effecting my attractiveness to women. I have been dating a very conservative white girl for a year and a half now and her family adores me. I go to a catholic high school with almost all white girls and have landed a few of them. I have also had girls tell me it makes me more sexy and gives me "flavor". Personally I like being Hispanic because it makes me different than the competition. And for those saying their races hold them back in the dating world believe me it is an advantage not a disadvantage. I hope I have the same results in Alabama when I go to school in fall.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I'm noticeably Hispanic and I haven't seen any problems of it effecting my attractiveness to women. I have been dating a very conservative white girl for a year and a half now and her family adores me. I go to a catholic high school with almost all white girls and have landed a few of them. I have also had girls tell me it makes me more sexy and gives me "flavor". Personally I like being Hispanic because it makes me different than the competition. And for those saying their races hold them back in the dating world believe me it is an advantage not a disadvantage. I hope I have the same results in Alabama when I go to school in fall.

Hate to ruin your dreams bro but you won't unless you look very white like Antonio Banderas or Messi. I am a white male with family members down south, the white girls in Atlanta won't even go for anyone that looks too ethnic so I doubt they will in Bama.

 

[JjP]

I'm noticeably Hispanic and I haven't seen any problems of it effecting my attractiveness to women. I have been dating a very conservative white girl for a year and a half now and her family adores me. I go to a catholic high school with almost all white girls and have landed a few of them. I have also had girls tell me it makes me more sexy and gives me "flavor". Personally I like being Hispanic because it makes me different than the competition. And for those saying their races hold them back in the dating world believe me it is an advantage not a disadvantage. I hope I have the same results in Alabama when I go to school in fall.

Hate to ruin your dreams bro but you won't unless you look very white like Antonio Banderas or Messi. I am a white male with family members down south, the white girls in Atlanta won't even go for anyone that looks too ethnic so I doubt they will in Bama.

Yeah I'm a little more tan lol, but I'm hoping that's not the case I'm very conservative and I'm going to join a fraternity so hopefully it helps me side step the race aspect. And every time I've gone to Auburn I haven't noticed any discrimination. So my fingers are crossed!

 

[nexus321]

I'm a brown guy and I live in Norway (everyone is white) so when I go clubbing I'm hitting on 99% white chicks. So whenever I do badly for a split second I think "is it because i'm brown?" I know it's stupid to think that but I do think it. But I know it's a limiting belief that i need to change.

 

[Tim Iron]

I live in West Africa... so that kind of stuff doesn't even come to my mind - 99% of us are black here! White guys are in the serious minority here... so it don't matter to me! I have not seen a white guy in real life for months now, (last white guy I saw was a catholic missionary or something... Although I have seen white women (especially British) married to my country men a lot here!

 

[Anonymous]

I think it's worth throwing in a few notes about racism / social pressure white men receive dating out of their race, too, since there are guys here that think white men can do whatever they want sans social pressure.

I've known a number of American white men and white women who looked down on white men dating other races. If a white guy is dating a Latin girl, it's because he's some kind of depraved sex addict who needs the over-crazy fieriness of Latin women. If he's dating an Asian girl, it's because he couldn't get a white girlfriend because Asian girls are easy and all have a white guy fetish. If he's dating a black girl, he's probably poor / lower class / ghettoized.

While there are plenty of white people who find dating outside the white race exotic and will envy someone who tries it, there are plenty of others who view it as "dating down" and will shame them or give them subtle, "Oh... you're dating a [race]? Hmm," then elaborate no further. But the communication is clear: "I see you couldn't find a white girl."
Chase

Perhaps I was absolutist in my previous posts; all men face differing pressures and social forces in the dating realm. However, your post only highlights a sad truth about society as a whole: white is considered the best, and if you date outside, it's considered dating "down", which is a direct commentary and false belief that white is supreme, and everyone else is lower on a socially constructed, artificial hierarchy of race.

Regardless of whether white men face any kind of hardship for dating outside their race or attempting to do so, it is absolutely incomparable to the racism and discrimination that all other groups face -- non-whites. No matter how you slice it, Western society has dominated the collective groupthink and standards of beauty. Ironically, white, blue-eyed blonde men and women are actually some of the most genetically rare phenotypes, as those traits are recessive.

What I'm saying is, in the world that we live in, being white is a PRIVILEGE, and an undeserved one at that. Being white is an advantage in the dating realm. No matter what you say, white men have it easier.

But I make no excuses, and no one should ever blame their race for their lack of success. There will always be women who won't date you based on several factors, race being one of those factors. However, you have to realize that regardless of those factors, dating is always going to be a numbers game, and if you really are fixed on dating a white, South East Asian, Latino, African, Middle Eastern, South Asian… whatever -girl, then you just have to play the numbers and like Chase said, work on your fundamentals and your lifestyle as a whole.

 

[sneaky_charm]

I don't know why I even read these threads, since I'm a minority, and these posts always get my self-esteem down.

BUT....

When I'm sober, i.e. my head is not clouded by studies, experiences and everything, I just accept the fact that it is gonna be hard, but I'll have to do it still, maybe I'll have to work 10 times as harder as a typical white guy, but I always remind myself that I can get there.

Now I know that a lot of studies suggest that Asians are not preferred, but just looking at the stats does not give the whole picture. First of all, fuck dating sites, cause whether white, black or asian, those who have dating profiles do not have balls.

Coming to the real world, where people actually approach and interact face to face, I think most asians do not have everything in check. First of all, many dress in sweatpants and t-shirts, it's hard to locate asians that that rock a model look with blazers, specs, cool hair and amazing shoes - with the right color combination. Moreover, asians normally do not work out much, so that is another disadvantage. Add to that the unique accent of talking, and unconfident posture and eye contact. All these, I'm not considering those who have pretty tight game, I'm talking about general asians.

So.....a typical asian is very likely to be rejected by any girl, except those asian girls who have no other options. BUT, if a guy on the other hand has everything in order, I think most girls will have no second thoughts!

I always think of it like this....

1. Right now, I don't have a rocking body, so once I get a good body, it's gonna be 3 times easier

2. I don't earn much now, but once I can start having 20 pairs of shoes, 50 pairs of jeans and 100 pairs of shirts, each time when I go out I'll be able to wear the perfect things with perfect color combos, so it becomes 2 times easier

3. At the moment, my voice is not all that great, so once my voice becomes as good as it can be, game is likely to get 2 times easier

4. My verbal game is not that great yet, so reaching the ideal will give me about 3 times boost

5. Abundant mindset as well as correct posture is not in order, so once I fix that, almost 2 times easier

So basically, if I do everything right, within 2 years or so I'll become ME * (3 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 2) = 12 TIMES BETTER THAN WHAT I AM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that it's all about improving, and never stopping the quest. IF YOU LOOK LIKE A HERO FROM ANY FUCKING CULTURE OF THE WORLD, PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU AS THE HERO.

Moreover, FUCK SOCIAL CIRCLES, Chase always talks about how messy those can be, so why do we even bother. Let those pussys deal with social circles, while we take bombshells from the street or grocery stores. Besides, when a girl is alone, she will be able to act without any pressure.

Also, we are just looking for a few lays here, so it does not matter if a girl does not stick for years. In case someone is looking for a GF, you need just 1, so do you think you are really that big of a pussy to not be able to get ONE girl from the culture/race/country or whatever you like??????????? Are you THAT BIG OF A LOSER? JUST ONE GIRL!!!!!!!

So guys, just chill the fuck out. Nobody told you that you have to get every single white bombshell that exists in the world. If you want that, nobody can help you, YOU WILL GO NUTS! Just 365 a year will suffice I guess. So just improve yourself to the point where you get consistent lays, even if that requires you to approach 3 times more than a white seducer of equal level, then just rest, relax and enjoy!!!!!!!!

FUCK STEREOTYPES.....WE ARE NOT THE NORMS...WE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS!

- Kevin

 

[StoicMind]

Well personally I'm of African decent (First person in my whole family born in this country) and personally have had no problem with other races even white girls. Actually, at my graduation I had a few white girls come up to me and say they always thought I was sexy and I've dated a few white girls. But I think there is more of a cultural reason as to why some minorities aren't successful with all types of women. Generally what I've heard in regards to racial stereotypes when dating is that African American males are aggressive, Asians are passive, Latino Americans are aggressive as well and/or too forward, but no one race owns a certain disposition I know men of all races who are these things. These are things I've heard from women themselves, so when you approach a women there is always this precognition going on, based on stereotypes, you just cant get around that. The remedy to this is to make the woman take a second look, take her off auto pilot. I'm pretty into fashion always has been when I come to school in blue suede loafers and walk with my chest up and neck parallel to the ground, girls will look at me and they are certainly not going to have any of the classical presumptions about me, this takes the edge of the "aggressive" black male. If anything they might think I'm gay which I'd prefer. If they ask if I'm gay I'll say ," Kiss me and find out" and if i'm approaching you then obviously I'm not gay, and plus I have a bit of a reputation with women. Bottom line I think the key here is to make changes based on your stereotype, which I guess I've done unintentionally. Moreover, I am usually the only black person wherever I go, Ap courses, Art academy classes, so I'm pretty desensitized to being around white people I guess I could say. When I was younger and I was in situations like this I use to feel inferior because A) I grew up in a racist neighborhood and B) that's kind of how things are portrayed in media, like said above. I feel a lot of black guys especially younger one's like me or even men from other races suffer from feeling of inferiority when compared to other races, which is why white women to some degree are held on pedestals. And if you feel inferior in your subconscious it will show physically, the black guys whom I notice are popular with all girls honestly give no fucks and always perceive themselves as superior. I know I didn't really answer the question but this is my two cents. This is a topic I've thought about for quite a bit.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Something that I would love to add to this thread about what you have to worry about as a minority.

I used to live in Louisiana which is in a region that has one of the most conservative and racist white populations in the US if not the entire world. Being a korean guy who has a powerful attraction to white women, there were not many attractive ones outside of the college towns and the ones that were there were very image conscious. Dating a foreign looking person (korean, indian, arab) could destroy their entire social circle and even get them hostility from strangers. It still hurt me to see all those young attractive southern belles out with overweight white guys while I was in shape and having no success with them due to my ethnic appearance alone. Southern women [read as: white women in the south] as a whole are very racist towards men of foreign backgrounds. If you wanted to date a white woman down there you would have to significantly lower your standards and by that I mean dating girls from trailer parks that were overweight. That is how bad it was.

Whenever a location is pointed out like say Florida and people talk about the attractive women there that happen to be white, I have that extra step to worry about. A White guy who has game and looks can go there and know he is getting laid or getting a cute girlfriend, a minority that has game and looks has to go that extra step and worry about how terrible the racism is there.

What really gets me is that people give me hell for liking white girls (not like my preference is ever going to change, it has became even stronger as a result of it) yet my white friends never never get hell for liking women of minority backgrounds.

 

[JjP]

Something that I would love to add to this thread about what you have to worry about as a minority.

I used to live in Louisiana which is in a region that has one of the most conservative and racist white populations in the US if not the entire world. Being a korean guy who has a powerful attraction to white women, there were not many attractive ones outside of the college towns and the ones that were there were very image conscious. Dating a foreign looking person (korean, indian, arab) could destroy their entire social circle and even get them hostility from strangers. It still hurt me to see all those young attractive southern belles out with overweight white guys while I was in shape and having no success with them due to my ethnic appearance alone. Southern women [read as: white women in the south] as a whole are very racist towards men of foreign backgrounds. If you wanted to date a white woman down there you would have to significantly lower your standards and by that I mean dating girls from trailer parks that were overweight. That is how bad it was.

Whenever a location is pointed out like say Florida and people talk about the attractive women there that happen to be white, I have that extra step to worry about. A White guy who has game and looks can go there and know he is getting laid or getting a cute girlfriend, a minority that has game and looks has to go that extra step and worry about how terrible the racism is there.

What really gets me is that people give me hell for liking white girls (not like my preference is ever going to change, it has became even stronger as a result of it) yet my white friends never never get hell for liking women of minority backgrounds.

Hey Fuji Follower, in Louisiana did you try picking up girls in college and did you try cold approaching while a girl is alone that way you're her dirty little secret and her social circle has no idea you exist? Also as far as the Florida racism I haven't personally noticed any racism especially in the conservative area (expect one remark from a neighbor when I was mowing my lawn and she asked how much I charged for my services and she was completely serious).

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Something that I would love to add to this thread about what you have to worry about as a minority.

I used to live in Louisiana which is in a region that has one of the most conservative and racist white populations in the US if not the entire world. Being a korean guy who has a powerful attraction to white women, there were not many attractive ones outside of the college towns and the ones that were there were very image conscious. Dating a foreign looking person (korean, indian, arab) could destroy their entire social circle and even get them hostility from strangers. It still hurt me to see all those young attractive southern belles out with overweight white guys while I was in shape and having no success with them due to my ethnic appearance alone. Southern women [read as: white women in the south] as a whole are very racist towards men of foreign backgrounds. If you wanted to date a white woman down there you would have to significantly lower your standards and by that I mean dating girls from trailer parks that were overweight. That is how bad it was.

Whenever a location is pointed out like say Florida and people talk about the attractive women there that happen to be white, I have that extra step to worry about. A White guy who has game and looks can go there and know he is getting laid or getting a cute girlfriend, a minority that has game and looks has to go that extra step and worry about how terrible the racism is there.

What really gets me is that people give me hell for liking white girls (not like my preference is ever going to change, it has became even stronger as a result of it) yet my white friends never never get hell for liking women of minority backgrounds.

Hey Fuji Follower, in Louisiana did you try picking up girls in college and did you try cold approaching while a girl is alone that way you're her dirty little secret and her social circle has no idea you exist? Also as far as the Florida racism I haven't personally noticed any racism especially in the conservative area (expect one remark from a neighbor when I was mowing my lawn and she asked how much I charged for my services and she was completely serious).

both and other ideas

I don't mean racism as in open racism but just that girls won't date you because of their background DUE TO the fact that them going interracial will hurt their status, know that happens in North Florida for sure.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I can understand your struggles in the dixie Fuji, have family down there and that place is at least 50 years back from the rest of the country whether it be some small hicktown or the suburbs of Atlanta. Good of you to move out and TBH I have no issues with asian guys going after white girls, you guys kinda need to explore other races since your own women in the US tend to hate the idea of dating you so much.

 

[Anonymous]

Like I've stated before, there are several sociological, historical, socio-economic, biological reasons for why certain phenomena relating to specific groups of people ("race") occur. But that is quite a lengthy and complicated topic. So I digress…

For all the guys that are complaining that they lack success because of "X" reason, you're just making excuses. If the environment you live in is not conducive to meeting the kind of women you want, get the **** out of there and find a place that is conducive to your wants. Otherwise, suck it up, and learn to adapt and make the most of what you have.

"Race" just becomes another excuse. Men are men, and women are women. Whatever external, cultural, social norms that are ingrained in their mindsets about lifestyle and dating is inevitable. But on a biological level, women respond to sexy, dominant men. Whatever you need to do to become that man, do it. Learn. Study. Challenge yourself.

My own experiences tell me otherwise about the truth about "race" and whether one group is superior to another. It's just not true. It's one of the greatest fallacies and most widespread propaganda that "X" group is better than "Y" group… when opinion is twisted into gospel and disseminated across the masses, through various forms of media, people believe the bullshit. They drink the Kool-Aid because their parents taught them a certain way, or they grew up in a certain neighborhood and the schools they attended reinforced misguided ideals and their peers would shun them for deviating from the established norms.

Time and again, there are women who have said to my face, or indirectly that they don't date "X" group, that they don't date Asians, and yet, while their logical mind says one thing, their eyes and body say another; women can't help but be attracted to what is attractive. What is attractive is not exclusive to one "race", but rather the qualities of a particular man. If a girl doesn't like you, it becomes a convenient excuse to point to "race", and ignore the real problem, which is your lack of dominance, sexual vibe and overall character. You are the problem. While it's true that there are women who absolutely will not date outside their race, I argue that there are far more women who are willing to date an "outsider" than there are who won't, but that is dependent on the man's attractiveness and character, rather than simply a "race" issue.

What becomes an even bigger issue, as I've noticed in my own environment, is the sad, but very real trend where Asian men will denounce their heritage and try to act "white", or "black" (what they think is ghetto, or gangster, or thuggish, to be put it in stereotypical terms). In a sense, they are admitting that their roots and their cultural heritage are inferior and they are subscribing to the notion that racial ideologies are true, that yes, white, European, Anglo-American culture is superior to their own culture and ways, and that they must abandon and even foster self-hatred in order to get the "white girls".

So whatever your "race" is, whatever your culture is, whatever background you come from, embrace it. Do not hide it. Do not betray your roots. You have to accept who you are, before you can move past just being a "brown" man, or "that Asian guy", or that "black dude" or whatever… If you truly are an exceptional man, your race becomes a secondary, tertiary background characteristic, rather than the dominating one. If you have nothing going on for you, if you're a boring dude, with bad posture, poor style, poor confidence… the only thing a girl will notice about you, will be the very thing you're trying to hide from her, because you're so damn ashamed of yourself for not being "white". Once you embrace your self, you can move beyond that, and create a better you, one that is not defined simply by race. Instead of pretending to be something else, you become more of who you are, a more self-actualized person.

 

[Glitch]

More interesting stuff coming from you Pro,

To be honest in the current situation there will always be obstacles. It is sadly true that what has been mentioned DOES occur and there is no denying that but like Chase has stated these sort of situations can occur to ANYBODY. It is true that there is still some stigma about East-Asians dating outside the culture, being Chinese myself I can get away more than most.

However like J.J mentioned, such things shouldn't be made into a mountain that prevents you from getting to the other side. Currently I am fortunate enough that such experiences with girls rarely happened but you just have to quickly move on and find the ones that are receptive to you.

Don't 'hide' it because there really is no point, for me I found that it's those differences that makes all this pretty interesting to me.

Like J.J said, be proud of your history and use it as a foundation to build upon. As a man, ethnicity is only one part of your character.

Glitch