Quick question: Must the endgame for seduction be sex?

[Humay]

To be honest, i'm still an 18 year old virgin, but i don't think i'm quite ready for sex yet. (I still have mixed feelings about having sex now, doesn't seem like the right time. Especially as i still live with my parents/don't have a place of my own).

What's the furthest i should hence aim for, to be considered a 'lover'? (Which i assume from reading Chase's articles, is the holy grail of seduction and learning the woman's mindset). I want the experience, but i'm not looking to rush into sex

I don't want to have my first time with just any girl. But I need sexual experience before i can do better than just any girl

 

[Penguin]

To be a 'lover', you must be a man who quickly and efficiently takes women to bed. It's important to note that being a lover is actually the most reliable way to start a relationship (women will choose men who have already seduced them instead of boring, average, timid men who are chasing after them).

Aside from sex, there are many benefits to being a lover which you can enjoy right now:

- Good fundamentals (attractive clothes, posture, voice, eye-contact, expressions, muscles).
- Confidence
- Being a leader
- Good social skills
- Instilling positive emotions in others
- Being adventurous
- Being desired by women

These are some of the things you can be working on until you are ready to become a lover and have sex. They will help you attract a girl that you consider good enough to have your first time with.

 

[DanBloom]

To be honest, i'm still an 18 year old virgin, but i don't think i'm quite ready for sex yet. (I still have mixed feelings about having sex now, doesn't seem like the right time. Especially as i still live with my parents/don't have a place of my own).

Hey Humay,
It can be a bit intimidating the thoughts of that first time. I remember my first time at 21 years old. I had no idea what to do or how it would feel. I fumbled trying to put the condom on and couldn't find the hole to put myself in lol. But you know what happened after it was done?

I was like "this is it? This is all we've been "Idealizing" for so long?" It wasn't even that much fun - more like...awkward...new...different.

What's the furthest i should hence aim for, to be considered a 'lover'? (Which i assume from reading Chase's articles, is the holy grail of seduction and learning the woman's mindset). I want the experience, but i'm not looking to rush into sex

I think that you want the experience but not the discomfort. It's like jumping in a swimming pool for the first time when you were a kid. Sure that water looks cold and strange but once you jump in you realize that there wasn't much to fear.

I don't want to have my first time with just any girl. But I need sexual experience before i can do better than just any girl

It's a catch 22 for sure. My mentor when I first started told me to have fun with the whole experience. Sooner or later as you meet girls and get closer and closer to sex it'll happen. Keep learning and just have fun with it.

Dan

PS: Be sure to practice putting that condom on and taking off a bra! ;-)

 

[Humay]

Hey, thanks DanBloom. I like your website

 

[Estate]

This might be controversial but I think the end-game is whatever you want it to be. It doesn't HAVE to be sex.

In pickup the general consensus is yes, you want to move to get a girl to bed fast, and this often works well.
But this assumes that your aim is to get good with women and get experience meeting and bedding them.

If you are not looking to bed anyone just yet, you don't HAVE to. You can take it as far as you feel you're comfortable with and that is success for you.

At your age too, girls often have different views of sex compared to some of us a little older. At that age, some girls are very experienced already and moving them to bed may be necessary to keep them but a lot of girls will also be virgins and you're dealing with a whole other ball game there by bedding them.

I think a lot of this advice applies to whatever your end goal is though. Just don't feel you have to do anything you are not comfortable with.
Do what's right you YOU and let THAT be your success point.

 

[DanBloom]

Haha thanks Humay - cheers.

There's an interview with Chase on it as well in the Expat-interviews section.

with regards to 'Sex'...do you think that women enjoy sex? Who enjoys sex more - men or women?

Dan