RadEng Going All In

[ray_zorse]

I really enjoyed the backstory you fuckin' badass I'm sure u will go from strength to strength. Subscribed.
Ray

 

[ray_zorse]

ASAP is the best time to date her. Icebreaker same day (her response to icebreaker was cool as) and contact her next day. Lately I've been sticking to voice calls for the actual contact but that's just because my texting is so bad. Either way, ask her when she's free and set something up for that time (assuming you're free).

I really liked your affirmations, have been suffering a fair bit of approach anxiety lately, and have not been feeling playful, and my conversation has sucked. So I may try your affirmations, it was good that you explained in detail, because generally I hate affirmations and regard them as a waste of time, but this sounds good.

Ray

 

[Rage]

Sat morning
Sat morning I wake up soo fucking horny because I haven't been laid in weeks. I text english for a re-lay.
Me:Are you single yet?
Her:yes, I'm free as a bird.
Me:haha cool, come grab some morning coffee with me.
Her:How soon, I am barely up.
me:its ok, me too, come on
her:OK i guess I can peel myself up...where do you want to go
me: I have some options across the street.
Me:welome to bring some bud if you have any
herk be there shortly


She came over, smoke, gives me an amazing BJ, and we make breakfast. She wanted to fuck afterward, but I was soo sleepy as I had only slept like 3 hours. I just kicked her out and sleep the rest of the day lol.

Made me Lol! And can totally relate to this haha.

You have a great journal going here Radeng, will be fun to read. Like the format you have going too with the journal... I've been on and off with journaling on the boards, but think I might do a couple of days apart light summarizing kind of journal again. Something I can look at that won't get too crowded or detailed like any notes I take can tend to.

Cheers,

Gem

 

[ocantu1987]

nice journal man.

 

[ray_zorse]

Mate I totally feel u on the hipster chick, I have had this kind of bullshit go on a lot and I can say (1) it gets a lot easier as you get closer to abundance, nowadays if I am not getting hard / going soft during sex I do not really care, I'm just trying to be in the moment and enjoy the sensations and not try too hard, I just think of it as saving sperm for next time haha (2) it's not only your issue, the problem with overthinking stuff is you're not receiving enough pleasure... you know when she's overthinking and logically deciding she can't sleep with you etc, then you get to the pussy and she starts moaning and all that just falls apart? Well when she does that to you you won't overthink & will get in the moment etc. So focus on making that happen. Some girls are not capable of it but most will comply and discover hidden talents with a little help. In such cases it helps to escalate slpwer and make sure you are both getting what u need. I do understand your concern about non ballsy escalation though, and I would skip the tits and go pussy directly.
Ray

 

[ocantu1987]

nice man, im sick as well and didn't go out this weekend. I like that "tell him im gay" line, ill add that line to my repertoire lol.

I missed an approach opportunity myself at the grocery store earlier, girl was with what looked like her older sister and 2 little babies in her cart lol i thought man those are her kids maybe not i should have approached anyway, i chickened out. Your right, its better to approach and get rejected.

looking foreword to hearing about that asian nurse man. Tell me did you go direct when you approached her? im wondering if direct really works in a bar much.

 

[ocantu1987]

Nice man, I think asian nurse is into you. I see a future LR in the future.

I notice this myself, i get nervous after a while without approaching. My confidence goes up the more i do it.

No girl has said im cute off an approach before. I think your kicking ass man

 

[ocantu1987]

pakistani girl was nude in your bed and still said "no sex" ? I think you did the right thing there man especially after 5 dates haha next

 

[ocantu1987]

Yeah man we all get fatties one time or another. Ive been with 3 haha

I liked how you handled asian nurse! If she doesnt bite then shes got friends

 

[ray_zorse]

Hey mate solid work there (and thanks for the honourable mention haha). I had a couple of comments that I wanted to post earlier but couldn't cos I was driving and had stuff to do et cetera.

(1) You were beating yourself up for being on-mission in N-game and although I can see your point I think it is good to be on-mission. What happens to me is I really enjoy approaching and getting physical with girls (the hot ones of course) and I love dance music and flirting and going hard and bringing the energy, so I introduce myself to half the girls in the club and get a shit ton of grinds and preselection goes through the roof, but I don't want to leave the dance floor since I'm having so much fun and she is too, so it feels wrong to try to isolate her. It has happened again and again that I lose track of time, place thins out, other naturals around score w the girls I like, and I end up w my dick in my hand. Stay on mission brother, stay focused

(2) It's helpful to get inside the psychology of VN girls, I am something of a specialist since my best friend in 2012 was a smoking hot VN girl and I ended up going to VN to be the best man in her brother's wedding among other adventures, unfortunately it was a friendzone situation so I have NEXTed her 6mth ago, but I learned a lot about VN culture. I have been learning VN for a year and I can now pronounce various basic phrases correctly, this wins me a lot of friends (have been flirting hard with a bakery chick near my old gym, etc).

My current gf Leticia is VN and the backstory is pretty much the same as Asian Nurse... I took her on several dates without progressing beyond hand holding... 2nd date I suggested we watch a VN film on DVD and she texted back "i wont go to your house"... et cetera so I actually NEXTed her twice if u can believe it, but the first time she re-established contact, so I set up a date, pulled her home with plausible deniability but when I tried to escalate, she ran away... didn't call or chase, NEXTed again, but randomly ran into her in a shopping centre some months later, set up another casual date in which I had to navigate a LJBF etc, she was in reality keen but couldn't express it. She used to text me goodnight every night which I found adorable, so I just rewarded her chasing and gradually got her where I needed her. You will get Asian Nurse if you persist and be attainable but do not chase.

The problem is that VN girls are super conservative, much more so than say, Korean, Chinese, Thai, even Filipina if you can believe that. I think this may come from Communism and little exposure to Western values until recently. She is programmed from birth to seek a high value man for marriage and reproduction and she cannot override this programming, she respects her parents enormously and she feels that any slutty behaviour would let the team down. My 24yo friend was not even living w her parents, just her married older sister with whom she did not get on well, but nevertheless had to ask sister's permission to go out at night etc. Sister would report any gossip back to parents in home country so reputation management was paramount. I tried to convince her to move out "You are an adult, you have a job... start living life", but programming was too deep, anyone older than them is an object of veneration and can boss them about, even if they're a manipulative bitch as in this case.

VN girl's idea of relationship is hanging out twice a week with the beloved and doing things like going on dates with the family (picnics and so on), thoroughly chaperoned with maybe a little hand holding and the occasional walk in the park or shopping trip unsupervised. Kissing or any form of intimacy is not supposed to happen until engaged, which might happen after a year of hanging out as friends, if he is persistent enough. VN girls also do not drink alcohol or even coffee, or smoke, because it is culturally frowned upon, but the men drink and smoke A LOT and believe that women are silly and cute, and cannot handle alcohol etc, if they can they are a slut who goes out to clubs to pick up and fuck guys, they have a massive pedestal / madonna / whore complex and tend to be quite boring in their approach and to chase hard (their culture), which is what she will try to encourage.

Hope that clears some things up. Asian Nurse sounds pretty progressive by above standard and I would suggest to reward her handsomely for anything she does which is in line with Western norms, plus setting plenty of discretion and non-judgemental frames, remember she is a sexual beast who has been honed by years of repression and really wants and needs to express herself. She may also respond to dominance since VN fathers are authoritarian and sometimes slap their daughters around etc. Date compression is also your friend here, read that article!!!

Ray

Edit: I may not have stressed enough, focus on attainability: Frequently tell her what you like about her, be genuine and let her think "this is for real", "I can get a guy like him"... this may entail some -value, +attainability moves, such as telling her you missed her, if you didn't see her for some days, etc... don't go overboard but do be genuine, she doesn't want the man of steel / teflon who DGAF about anything and deflects all her efforts at getting to know you or setting the bf frame.

 

[ocantu1987]

53 approaches wow haha. I myself am switching over to daygame radeng I feel its better for the "numbers" game. Where do you usually go for daygame, the malls?

 

[ocantu1987]

yeah man i see the trend now, no connection equals no response from the number. The last set I did was like that, i made them laugh alot but no rapport equals no response from that girl haha it pissed me off cause i thought i did so good only that i wasted my time cause I got nothing.

 

[ray_zorse]

Ha ha man I fuckin love music festivals and since I discovered approaching I always have a sick arse time (although best I have attained is an LR-, this would've been a lay had I not suffered performance anxiety but I fucked her later in the week back in town anyway). I can readily identify with your frustration at not hitting targets but what the hell, it's all good fun right? Unfortunately it's winter here, although tickets recently went on sale for one of the major doofs which is in November, if I wasn't a bit broke atm I'd definitely buy one.

About your complaint of not living in a city the size of ATL, come over here man, it is sick arse, there are hot women by tje bucketload within a few block radius of my pad, I moved here especially to take advantage of the logistics / demography, only thing is they're >50% Asian so you had better brush up your skills with Asian Nurse, hehe.

Ray

 

[lux7]

About your complaint of not living in a city the size of ATL, come over here man, it is sick arse, there are hot women by tje bucketload within a few block radius of my pad, I moved here especially to take advantage of the logistics / demography, only thing is they're >50% Asian so you had better brush up your skills with Asian Nurse, hehe.

Ray

Wow, I didn't know there could be such a place out of Asia!

To the OP, nice journal man.

 

[ProblemSolving]

Hey Radeng,

By the sounds of things, you live pretty close to the bar(s) that you frequent. This begs the question, why are you taking girls' phone numbers instead of taking them home?! You have half the battle already won with good logistics.

Most girls are not going to the bar to find guys to date, which explains why the acquired phone numbers are especially flakey. Most are at the bar for some fun and validation, with a few others that are looking to get laid. Your job is to find the girls that are looking to get laid. Have a little chat, touch them, bring them in close, if they don't take off, get them out the club and back to your pad. There are a million different ways to do this. "Hey, it's hot in here, lets get some fresh air (grab hand and lead her outside). Do you consider yourself an adventurous person? Good. Follow me." You have to be the pied piper and lead her home.

Maybe a girl wants to come with you, but her friends prevent her from going. In this case, by all means go for the number, but it should be the last resort.

 

[lux7]

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Hey Probemsolving,

I actually have a pretty damn good response ratio from numbers. I go on dates nearly every week and get girls back to my place quite regularly from dates.

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​Would you have an actual ratio/number from phone numbers / replies / dates?

I do have a big sticky point with getting lots of contacts and few dates.

Agree on the fact the highest quality tend to come from social circle. Wonder why though, maybe higher caliber tend to have higher caliber social circles and/or be less likely to party/be open to advances from strangers. Might be a multitude of factors, but on the other hand for sure it's not impossible to get high quality from cold approach.
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[ProblemSolving]

I do have a big sticky point with getting lots of contacts and few dates.

If you want a better contacts to dates ratio, just screen the girls before going for the number. "Are you single?" This way there is no miscommunication about why you want her number. You won't waste your time and energy thinking about girls who have no intention of meeting up with you again. You won't get as many phone numbers, but the ones you do get, will be more willing to meet up, which makes your whole process more efficient.

Agree on the fact the highest quality tend to come from social circle. Wonder why though, maybe higher caliber tend to have higher caliber social circles and/or be less likely to party/be open to advances from strangers. Might be a multitude of factors, but on the other hand for sure it's not impossible to get high quality from cold approach.

The biggest advantage of social circle game is status. If you are respected and looked up to in the social circle, then the girl gains status by being with you. Things like proximity and pre-selection also come into play which also increase your odds.

Before you write off cold approach for getting the highest quality girls, ask yourself this question: "how many girlfriend quality girls have I actually approached?" You might be surprised at just how few shots you have actually taken at these high quality girls. Re-access you situation after you've approached 50 girls whom you feel are high quality.

 

[lux7]

I do have a big sticky point with getting lots of contacts and few dates.

If you want a better contacts to dates ratio, just screen the girls before going for the number. "Are you single?" This way there is no miscommunication about why you want her number. You won't waste your time and energy thinking about girls who have no intention of meeting up with you again. You won't get as many phone numbers, but the ones you do get, will be more willing to meet up, which makes your whole process more efficient.

Agree on the fact the highest quality tend to come from social circle. Wonder why though, maybe higher caliber tend to have higher caliber social circles and/or be less likely to party/be open to advances from strangers. Might be a multitude of factors, but on the other hand for sure it's not impossible to get high quality from cold approach.

The biggest advantage of social circle game is status. If you are respected and looked up to in the social circle, then the girl gains status by being with you. Things like proximity and pre-selection also come into play which also increase your odds.

Before you write off cold approach for getting the highest quality girls, ask yourself this question: "how many girlfriend quality girls have I actually approached?" You might be surprised at just how few shots you have actually taken at these high quality girls. Re-access you situation after you've approached 50 girls whom you feel are high quality.

Don't you then lose then all the girls unsatisfied of their current relationship?

 

[lux7]

@lux,

I think I hover around an average of between 25-45% meet ups from #s depending on A few factors in the time period you might look at. I hover around 75-85% in replies to texts and I'm trying to consistently document all of my text threads in this journal and show where I screw up and show where I do well. I'm constantly testing little game tweaks to get better results.

Of particular importance is the initial meet. My texting is pretty bland and to the point and I get girls on dates in typically 10 texts or less.

I read the recent articles by alek and by William on text game/phone/setting up dates and I really disagree with their methods.

I find my biggest determining factor on if I'll see the girl again can be answered in three questions:
1)how good were my fundamentals?
2)did we connect strongly on a topic within the 2-5 min window before I left, how interesting to her was the topic we related on? If we can connect in a topic she's really interested in, she'll probably be seeing me again.
3) did I get her to solidly agree to a drink in the following week and just hand her my phone. I never ask for numbers at all actually, I just say, "I'm really enjoying this conversation, interested in continuing over coffee in the next few days?" Then I make her say either yes or no here. I use a very serious and dominant tone and I look her HARD in the eyes here, it's clear that I am very serious and want a serious answer. As soon as she says yes, my tone brightens a lot "Ok I'll text you and we'll figure out the details, nice meeting you!" I don't crack too many jokes when I meet a girl, just good fundamentals and dominant tone.

That's it.

Other than that, I show very little sexual intent besides sonething along the lines of, "ya know, you are very cute miss"

I typically open very indirect and off the cuff and I find this to work great for me. Read the articles by Jeff Stanton, he really nails my style, it's very natural the way I open. Occasionally I open direct but I'm so much more confident with indirect openers.

I also find that the more sexual intent I show, the less likely I am to see them again for a date.

i am really just laid back and cool and very persistent and really great to talk to.

You can see a lot of my texting examples in this journal.

However, my date strategy needs work because I strongly feel I should be bedding more women on first dates. Part of the problem may be that I am not screening hard enough when I grab the number.

Let me know if you have a splecific question, I'd be happy to help or make a suggestion.



@problemsolver

Don't get me wrong man! I love cold approach. All my dates after all do come from cold approaching I just happen to prefer to go for the number rather than the insta-lay and those were mostly high quality lays! I did have to invite them home, I just like playing a laid back style and I feel dates work to my advantage. You are correct that I do lose my balls sometimes when approaching the really beautiful ones and I definitely need to push myself there to not only approach hotter girls but invite them home more.

One of my current goals is to start doing more day game but I still think the number to date to lay is gonna be the most likely scenario here.

I believe my problem in cold approach and the quality issue is because when I'm out doing night game and it's wild environment, I'll naturally have a few things going on in the club with different girls and I'll hop from group to group. When it comes to hooking then pulling time, I usually evaluate who seems the most interested in going home with me and focus on her and it tends to not be the highest quality girl that I am interacting with who is the most interested. Soo I end up with the lower quality girl because I knew I could pull her and I didn't want to risk not getting my dick wet at all on the high quality girl I hooked.

What do you think I should do to increase my quality night game pulls? My only solution so far has been to just keep doing what I'm doing and occasionally a really hot one falls in my lap. You seem like you must be experienced in this realm. Where'd you learn and how did you learn and what we're you're results that are different than this? Even in Aleks articles he recommends sticking with the cute girl that hooks rather than going for something hotter and ending up with your dick in your hands.

-Radeng

10, interesting, don't you use then Chase method of two texts, ice breaker and going for the meet right on second text?

Also, would you think that since most of your cold approaches are at night, it's more obvious you are opening for date / sex / romantic connection VS daytime?


-Sorry brevity, on the phone

 

[lux7]

By "response" you also include a simple "nice to meet you too" or "yes"?

I think that single message before the actual logistics message you use is good and might be a key I'm missing, will try it out for sure.

Thanks man, longer text tomorrow from actual laptop