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I'm having problems when facing LMR. They usually say stuff like "why do you want to do that" or "i don't want to rush things". i try to get around that by saying some nonsense but that dont stick for too long :/ Then a LMR becomes a hard no.
I'm meeting a girl on Sunday and i want to everything go smooth so any help would be appreciated.
 

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LMR is quite a difficult topic even for experienced seducers (for instance RDawg is a level 4 member on these boards and has had quite a few issues with LMR even though his game is top notch and he's bringing multiple new girls home every week)... the thing about LMR is there are lot of different ways to handle it, and right way with the right girl is going to get straight into her panties, whereas the same strategy might be completely wrong for a different girl, so you have to kind of go by instinct and experience.

Anyway, a lot of the difficulty can be avoided with proper preparation before you even escalate... be very sexy, give really strong eye contact and use touch well (but do not overuse), and pull her home in a reasonable timeframe, having built a great connection with her... and she should be extremely horny and wanting sex, so any LMR would be of the token variety. The other thing to do before escalating is compliance building, I will give some tips on this later, but for now I want to summarize all my LMR strategies.

Then, once you get her home, do not dally around, give her about 10 minutes to get comfortable and then confidently go in for the kiss, this could be a manhandle kiss but manhandle kiss might be a bad idea if you're unsure of her or her comfort level... so I'm assuming you'll want to go with something like the "drinks kiss" where you take her drink out of her hand, put it down, then maybe put your hand on her cheek or her chin, dominantly turn her face towards yours, and kiss her. (Be deliberate about it, don't go in suddenly, and keep an eye on how she's reacting as you go in and calibrate accordingly, cos it's a little embarrassing if she panics and you end up kissing thin air).

Now let's assume she's being difficult, like she turns her cheek to you or says "no" or puts her hand over her mouth or whatever... well the first thing to do is DO NOT PANIC, just take it in your stride, act like it's absolutely no big deal at all, and continue talking about whatever you were talking about... DO NOT under any circumstances get into a logical discussion with her about why she should kiss you, and if she says something like "why are you doing that", DO NOT answer her, just change the subject. Keep talking (you should already be using touch, like you're sitting with your elbows touching, or you're looking into her eyes with your hand on her elbow or shoulder etc).

Assume she still wants to be kissed, but just isn't comfortable enough yet for that to happen. So just treat the kiss attempt like nothing happened, keep talking and connection building, and when you judge the moment to be correct (like on a high point -- she's been sharing deeply about herself... or you're laughing a lot together... or whatever) then go in again. I would say try this about 3 times, although you want to rely on instinct here, as I said this won't work for all girls, it depends a bit on how she deflects you too. If she's kind of happy and giggly about it, this is the best, if she seems angry or pushes you away then you've probably got deeper problems to deal with.

Umm so let's assume she's still being difficult, in that case try something other than a kiss -- this could be nibbling on her ear a little, breathing a little hot breath into her ear (ear is a major erogenous zone)... or perhaps her neck... another "out of the box" strategy is to give her an order such as unbuttoning your cuff or your shirt... and then tell her to touch your wrist... or maybe your stomach... calibrate to how shy she seems to be, but anyway, get her investing and touching you, if mouth kiss is still no go. Just try various different escalation strategies and you should hit paydirt eventually, if she starts to breathe harder or moan or other signs, keep doing what you're doing!

A risk of the above strategy is, it's to some extent rewarding her resistance... when she resists you're slowing things down and giving her lots of extra attention and trying to get her in a different frame of mind, this is quite validating for the girl and she may keep resisting just to see how far you're willing to go... so another approach is the takeaway, if she resists your kiss or whatever, then just go "okay..." and act bored and disinterested, maybe check your phone, pick up your laptop... if she asks what's wrong say "oh nothing, anyway, you might as well leave now"... I'm not super expert at takeaways, but that's the general idea anyway. If she was being coy she'll change her tune. On the other hand she might genuinely not want you to escalate, or she may want you to escalate but be a boss about it... in that case I guess she'll just leave.

Anyway lets assume you've been making out, well firstly don't go for the tits, go straight for the pussy... the #1 LMR busting strategy is to get your hand down those pants and stimulating her clit, you might need to persist a little (if she's being difficult she'll push your hand away when you go for the pants, in that case just keep making out with her until her comfort level is higher or she seems more passionate or she's breathing harder or any kind of high point and then go for the pants again)... but once you hit that magic button LMR will pretty much evaporate, only a risk is if you stop stimulating the clit to do something like take your pants off, she might regain logical thought.

If she says stuff like "we are not having sex tonight" you can laugh it off, ignore it, or you could maybe take a risk and go a bit logical by saying something like "of course, we are just having fun, I would never want you to do anything you aren't comfortable with"... but a typical escalation will have her saying stuff like that all through, but not meaning it of course. A good strategy recommended by Chase is to use a lot of chase frames as you escalate, this can be pretty funny, I do it with my girlfriend(s) a lot... I'm blatantly escalating on her and meanwhile saying things like "stop it, you are so naughty"... also if she does seem passionate (kisses you extra hard etc) it can be good to point it out as a chase frame "oh my God you are going to eat me up aren't you"... you want to be constantly pointing out her horniness and encouraging/increasing it.

Now about compliance building -- I'm doing this right from the start of the date: I meet her in the coffee shop, give her a $20 note and order her to get the drinks for us. Like this: "order for us... I'll have a mug of cappucino to have here"... you can put a slight uptick in your voice tone so it sounds like "order for us...?" and she'll be happy to comply. Don't say "please order for us" or "would you be able to order for us"... start giving instructions right off the bat. Then, when you've got your drinks, confidently lead her to a spot in the coffee-shop that you've already decided on, and say "sit here". Or, if you've invited her over for cooking date (one of my personal favourite processes) you can treat her as a kitchen hand and be giving her orders from start to finish... anyway, never miss an opportunity to give her an order, if you think she might comply.

I also recommend Drexel Scott's book "Straight to Sex", it's not expensive and describes a useful process to follow from her entering your house until you're having sex.

Another thing to be careful of is transition points -- I have several times missed out on sex by doing things like trying to move her from the couch or the floor to the bed, or in one case taking her upstairs to my bedroom because I didn't have any condoms handy... this can really ruin the moment, so if something ain't broke, don't fix it, haha.

Ray
 
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