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Kopesh

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All right,here it goes.

If you do want to help me,please read it all,cause It is a big problem for me and I need some guidelines.I can work on improving myself alone,I just want some advices as what to do.I understand it will be a long post,so if you can,please take your time to read it all.
Second year of college,i'm very socially awkward,and never had a girlfriend.
First thing.My main problem is that nobody takes me seriously,almost everyone looks at me like if i was a 9 year old.When I talk,the girls I see everyday in my class 90% of the time dismiss me,don't get into a good conversation with me,want to avoid me,cause I am deemed a creepy guy.

My main problem here is that I take a long time to get warmed up to talk to my girls,but in other situations I get warmed up almost instantly and talk like no other(with my friends,and some female friends too).So I just sit around my girls and say next to nothing,all tensed up,and thinking about what to say next.When I am with my friends,I never analyse myself,I just am myself and all i say comes out naturally.Not with my girls.

Another problem is that I am sometimes a doormat.For example,yesterday I was in a team project with 5 girls who were very intrested in what we were doing,but I didnt give a big fuck about it.The problem is that in situation where I have to perform,I freeze up,and everybody can see I am unconfortable,and I do shit things,like a retard.They just went on with their project,without asking me to do anything,because I was not deemed intelligent enough to handle it.All I was left to do was to wash some dishes.And those girls were ordering me around.
So,here i didnt stand up for myself,I became a doormat and they were able to make fun of me(subtly ofcourse).

When somebody throws a hard gauntlet on me,socially speaking,I freeze up and resort to stupid weak gut reactions.Once I didnt let a girl who was behind me in a queue get in front of me at the elevator(me entering the elevator the last-being a knight).She scolded me in front of everyone,and I said sorry.Another time some girls were telling me to shut up,like i had nothing of value to say,and assesing their superiority over me.Other girls were ofcourse laughing when they saw it.I didnt have the nerve to stand up for myself.

I knew I shouldnt have let them walk all over me,but I couldnt pull the necesarry courage to say anything.
Another problem is that I am not socially savy.Being in a clas with 95% girls,they all use subtext,and i am kinda bad at it.I am left out of major things,because I don't know how to handle them.Not many people depend on me.For example,nobody would select me as a class leader.They dont talk with me about important stuff,like relationships or important life stuff,because they feel like i have a childish mentality,and unable to understand,so they leave me out of it.Nearly all the girls make fun of me socially,in front of another girls,dont take me seriously,treat me like a mother would treat a child.

Another problem is that Ive never had a girlfriend.I DO have some good female friends in my life,and I get along with them very well,but not girlfriends.Not romantically and sexually.I dont know how to be sexual.I am learning how to get sexy,so no need to get into this.Just that ive never had the nerve to ask a girl out on a date,kiss one ,or have sex with one.

So,my first question is,when these girls will ask me how many girlfriends I had,what do I say?
If I say none,it will be a very big minus for me cause then EVERYBODY would want to get away from me and have nothing to do with me anymore.I will become the king of social retards,so to speak.
If I lie and say I did have some girlfriends,i will act incongruent,and people will notice I lied.I dontlike lying about myself,I dont want to lie to impress people,and i generall dont like lying at all,it means weakness alll over the place.
If I say none of your business,i will act dodgy and insecure,and people will pick up on it.Same for outright dodging the question and changing the subject of the conversation.

So,how do I do it in a strong way?I know sincerity would be the best way,and I tend to abide to this ideea alot,but not in this case.It would be another nail in the coffin,and I dont want to give people any more bad reasons as why to avoid me.


Right,so far Ive talked only about my bad points,so you would things I am truly a retard.Maybe that's the truth,who knows :)
I DO have friends.GOOD friends.I do keep in touch with them and have good relationships with them.
I do like the ideea of self improvement alot.Been reading this site for over a year now,and read some other self improvement resources online,and I feel they had a really significant impact on my life,and I have improved abit socially and in my life,in general.
Even though I said i act childish above,It is not my core personality.I do have a mature mind and I know how to think logically about important life situations.I do like to analyse things alot before going forward.I am a risk taker.WHen alone,I do act like myself.
I do not like posturing at all,or trying to impress people(even though I sometimes do it,unintentionally).I dont use my facebook account at all,only for college stuff to get my bearings about important exams and stuff,but other than that NOTHING.I dont do likes,comments,no profile pictures ,no status updates at all.I view it as a very big attempt from others to posture,and I hate it,I tend to view others like kids for playing this stupid status game,instead of minding their own lives.
I do watch news,I follow the political scene of the world,I do care about what is happening in this world.I am studying russian,I am a very big lover of mechanics,army,cars,races,science.I do have a big big passion for these domains and I do follow them.
I do want with passion to become a good conversationalist.I do want to become that guy to whom many people open up and talk about themselfes without fear of judgement,and have extraordinary conversations with everybody i come in contact with.
I do want very much to improve myself as a human.I did adopt,or am in course of adopting,many qualities presented on this site,like empathy,sexiness,not judgin others,social intuition etc etc.I do want to improve my core person and become a better human,to make other people feel good in my presence.

I feel this set of qualities make me unique,and few people,if any,have them in my class.I do feel they are the children when you compare them with me in this area,because I do thing I outclass them at some very important things,some mentioned above.While they are busy putting makeup and making silly looking selfies to up on facebook and attract likes of dumbjock men,or how they can backstab some other girls in their social circle,or how they can buy that good perfume,or how they can attract that guy,I do think about how I can make some money,how i can improve my relationship with my sister,parents,colleagues,how I can make more friends everywhere I go,how i can become good at cold approaching girls on the street,how i can succeed in life,how I can buy that amazing soundcard and speaker system which can deliver practically the best sound ever etc.
Yes I know these are not really accurate,I havent taken the time to get to know these girls very well,but i genuinly want to get along with them.I feel I have a love for people and it is what differentiate me from most of the people I come in contact with,they are driven by a big ego and looking only for themselves.

So,how do I overcome this problem?how do I stop caring about what people think of me?because that is a very big limiting factor and is keeping me from doing many things at college,like acting like myself.Because of fear of judgement,I dont like being judged.
I want to act like myself,not give a fuck about what people think of me,fulfill my desires written above,make people feel good
etc etc.

And how do I stand up for myself?In those examples above,I could have yelled at those girls,or looked them dead in the eyes with an extremely serious expression on my face(like a criminal :) )and asked them to stop,or made fun of them,or insulted them,or threathened them,but for some reason I find those reactions quite weak and a bit childish.What I want is to change my inner core ,and i want my actions to come out from my core self.I dont want some "do this,do that" advices,I dont feel they are useful for the long term,and this is what I aim for,improve myself for the long term.

If you have any insight or advice for me,please dont copy paste links from the site,post here your own advice please.

thx in advance
 

Drck

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Hi Kopesh,

Try to work on your confidence first. Improve your body language and voice. Also when you look to other people's eyes (especially girls) make sure that you have strong/confident look (don't stare, look).

As far as analyzing, you already analyzed lots of stuff yourself, perhaps even over-analyzed, so just to summarize (should you be interested), here are couple of points that I picked up during reading your text:

* You are most likely shy
* You have a weak voice
* You have low self esteem and low self confidence
* You think you are not important
* You have anxiety issues
* Your body language is weak, you are "closed" - you don't look to other people's eyes, you don't project confidence, you are anxious, you cover your body parts
* You shut down in front of girls because you think you will say something that they will not like, that they will ridicule you, laugh at you...
* You talk down to yourself, you perceive yourself in a negative way, you talk negatively about yourself. Maybe not all the time but a lot...


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YOU: So,my first question is,when these girls will ask me how many girlfriends I had,what do I say?
>>>> So,
the (1) first thing you have to do is to increase your confidence. Increase it five folds first, and then ten fold.
The (2) second thing is to stop worrying what others think and say about you. Who cares what girls think about you? Stop being right. Be wrong. Stop carrying what others think about it, don't give a damn what they think of you.
The (3) third think is, improve your body language: Stand up straight and tall, be confident and look confidently to their eyes. Don't try to "impress" people by this - instead, think in terms that you are spreading around confident ENERGY. You don't want to Impress - you want to GIVE out your confident energy. Also work on deeper and more resonant voice. Breath! Very important, usually people's breath is only shallow. Breath slowly but deeply. And,
the (4) last thing, when they ask you how man GF you had, just shrug your shoulders, look confidently in her eyes, smile and answer: "It depends which month we are talking about!". Actually, what does it really matter what you say? As long as you are CONFIDENT, say what YOU want to say...

With girls, try not to think LOGICALLY. It is all about EMOTIONS. Try not to think in terms of telling them the TRUTH. Most don't care about your Truth, all they care about is how you FEEL about yourself, how you feel about the Truth. For example, if you are not confident and tell them that you didn't sleep with any girl, they will perceive you as not being attractive enough. If you tell them you slept with girls, they will know you are lying, and if you try to move away from that topic they will know that you don't have confidence nor experience...

On the other hand, if you are super-confident and tell them directly and with a smile that you are still a virgin - they will see you as very attractive. Not because of the Truth, but because of your confidence. It is not about your TRUTH, it is about your CONFIDENCE.

If you FEEL great about yourself, girls will FEEL great as well - and they will think you are very attractive (because you make them feel great). If you are hesitant and FEEL poorly about yourself, or are down emotionally - they will not see you as attractive guy at all... You could even sleep with 100 girls, but if you don't make them FEEL good they will not find you attractive anyway. FEEL great my friend, FEEL great!

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You: I do want to become that guy to whom many people open up and talk about themselfes without fear of judgement
>>>> Sometimes we project our thoughts onto others. We don't want to be judged - because it is actually us who judge others. So drop the whole judging thing. Stop judging, stop comparing things and people, stop thinking in terms good or bad, right or wrong... People say or do things - there is nothing right or nothing wrong about it, that is what people normally do. Stop judging people who judge you...

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You: So,how do I overcome this problem?how do I stop caring about what people think of me?
>>>> Be yourself. But what does it mean? Well, what do you like? You like to watch news and you follow politics. You like to study foreign language, you like mechanics, army and science. You like to keep improving yourself. That is your identity, that is simply YOU, things that YOU love. So do more of it, tell others proudly that this is what you do and love. FEEL great about those things, FEEL great about yourself. Who cares if others don't like it, or if they do other things? That is them, and this is you.

Why is it important to you what others think about you anyway? We are all selfish creatures, we all think about ourselves only, at least for most of the time. Nobody really thinks much about you (all of us in general), about your (our) problems, about what you (we) said or what you (we) think - not unless those words can be somehow useful to us... And even then, maybe we think about the other person for couple of minutes here and there, but that is it... then we go on with our lives... We just share ideas between each other, we just share thoughts and energy between each other - but each of us cares mostly about own life only... So what does it really matter what somebody thinks about you..?

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You: WHen alone,I do act like myself.
>>>> You are always alone. You were born alone, and you will die alone. Accept it, just be alone, just stop grabbing onto other people's lives... Only then you can start acting like yourself ALL the time...

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Also, there might be a huge problem with the whole self improvement. By constantly analyzing and trying to improve yourself, you are actually telling your subconscious mind that you are not good enough. It is a simple logic, because if you were good enough you wouldn't need all the improvement. The more you want to improve, the more your mind thinks that you are insufficient...

So it is like a double sword - if you keep improving yourself you are subconsciously setting up your belief that you are not good enough. And if you are not improving, well, then there is no progress at all. So the key is to find some sort of a balance, you kind of have to believe that you are already good enough, just the way you are. You want to start FEEL great about yourself first - and only ten you start working on becoming even better...

Hope it helps
 

Drck

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Adding some things since it is a good topic:

Learn to relax. Relax all your body, relax your face and neck, open your chest, stand up erected, don't cover your body or dick with your hand. Calm down, feel confident and sexy. Breathe deeply while relaxed, great down to your stomach. Shake off the nervousness - and now walk through the whole classroom around all these females, with head up. Try to feel comfortable. Imagine that you are a king and all of them are your females. Imagine that you own that classroom, and all the females in it. I would be very surprised if you don't see immediate reactions from many females.

Watch some YouTube videos, eg Tyler D. In action. It's quite hilarious how he approaches different females, left and right, could care less what they thing or say. This guy can approach ten females in one minute in the middle of busy street, not giving a damn about anything. Amazing attitude. Forget the words he's using, just try to capture and mimic that attitude, that energy, that approach....
 

ray_zorse

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Hey Kopesh. Feel you brother. Sounds like you have a pretty good idea where you are going wrong, so I wouldn't be surprised if you improve pretty quickly.

The first thing I want to discuss is frame. The people in your circles, and particularly the girls or groups of girls, are seeing you as someone who can be disrespected and bossed around, i.e. someone who is easily put off balance and who does not fight back. The thing to remember is once a frame like this has been set, it cannot be changed in any reasonable amount of time, so if you are looking for advice on how to turn the tables on these bullies and come out on top, you will likely not find it here. Sure, be assertive and take control, but these people will just think "oh, that's cute, he's trying to be assertive and take control, wonder how long that will last" and probably disrespect you even more, just for the pleasure of seeing you eventually crack again.

So what you will have to do is take some tough decisions, which most guys on here have trouble with (I'm looking at you Wes... Troy... hahaha) and NEXT these people. Just cut them out of your life. Simple as that. Ohh, what's that I hear? You can't... they're in your classes? At your school? Stop bitching and moaning and inventing excuses... You only give them your attention if you choose to do so. The only real time you cannot NEXT someone is if you live with them, or they are a close colleague whom your boss orders you to work with, and you need the money. So from now on, when you encounter someone who has disrespected you in the past, just keep your eyes level (do not look down) and ignore them. If they address you directly, act like you didn't hear and if they persist glance at them briefly and say "what? ... is it important?" or something equally dismissive, but basically deny eye contact as much as possible and appear to be concentrating on something or someone else. Make them work for your attention, act as if you're indifferent to them.

Now that we have that settled... you will enter a lonely phase of your life, or at least that's what happened to me when I NEXTed my best buddy and his girlfriend and various other friends who I felt were interacting with the old me rather than the new, higher value man I had become, or wanted to become. And here's where it gets interesting. You will have to replace your social life with people who like & respect you, & look to you for leadership. This will take time and it is baby steps, but I am living proof that it can be done, and you will be too, if you apply yourself and proceed as I will explain.

Basically the magic bullet here is cold approach. If you've read any of GC you will know what this is, but it's actually not as scary as it sounds. It could be as simple as striking up a conversation with a dude sitting next to you on the train by asking him what football team he barracks for. Or going to a university social mixer event where you are "allowed to" or "supposed to" introduce yourself to new people. Or a bar at night time. Or a rowing or dancing or film appreciation club which I am sure they have at your uni. Or, anything social.

So the first thing you must do is overcome your fear of introducing yourself to new people. Then, you must practice your conversation with everybody you meet -- waitresses, cash register chicks, parking attendants, fellow students, professors, even family etc... how? Mainly by getting them to talk about themselves and share the things that are important to them and why. Make them feel you care about them and genuinely want to know more about them and what makes them tick etc. Look up deep diving, maybe buy the "Spellbinding" conversation series, and/or Chase's ebook. Rarely talk about yourself, if you do, keep it brief and restrict to topics that mesh with theirs (relating to them).

Obviously, right now you are experiencing social awkwardness and no doubt you will do or say dumb things in the course of doing the above. No matter, just take note of where you are going wrong, and NEXT people with whom you've made an irrevocably poor impression, and move on to new people with whom you will not make the same mistake.

Ray
 

Kopesh

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First of all,thanks alot for all these replies,really appreciated.
Secondly,who is this tyler?a link perhaps,please?

Thirdly,I cannot next all my girls in my classroom.I WILL be working alongside some of them for the next 3 years,and I cannot just pretend they don't exist,that would be childish.What should that mean?If I see them at the subway station and they see me back,I don't come to them and talk?well,they don't do that anymore,and sometimes not even say hi.DO I avoid sitting next to them in classes?or what do you actually mean by nexting them in this context?

Fourthly,I am not shy.I do not have a bad oppinion about me.I do not think negatively much time,if not at all.I'm sorry if I gave this perception in my first post,I just focused on all my problems,and not giving enough light on my plus sides.My bad :)
 

Kopesh

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And to be honest i dont really want to go the really go cold route you advised me to take, i still want to have ties with these girls as some of them if not most of them are pretty cool gals worth getting to know. I kinda want to fix this situation, not ignore it by ignoring the girls.
 

ray_zorse

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Well, most guys don't really want to take the tough decisions necessary to take control of their lives and are content to drift through life being a victim of circumstances. If that's you, go right ahead. No skin off my nose, haha.

Couple of comments though.

You requested that we read your post fully before responding, and I did that. You, however, did not. If you had, you would have seen that the answers to your objections are already contained in my post.

Also, you say she disses you and laughs at you in front of her friends, yet is a "cool girl and worth getting to know"? Nope.. not to you at least. And there's your problem right there. This attitude just screams low value and approval seeking. Have some self respect man.

Ray
 

Drck

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Work on confidence and assertiveness man. There are females all around you, so you should behave like a King of the jungle. There is no one above him, especially not any female. Tease them, step into their ways and don't move, practice dominant look, push them away with your body (in a playful way)... Show them who's the fucking man...

As far as YouTube, some guys here were talking here about RSD, Tyler (Durden); I've heard about him before but never seen him till recently on youtube. The guy is a cool dude, he goes in the crowd and starts approaching any girls he sees. He actually seems like quite a Nice Guy, throws around positive energy, hugs the girls right away... check it out...
 
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