FR Rejection dilemma

[SillyCarl]

So I posted a field report a while ago and I got some help from the guys on the boards which I highly appreciate but I have a problem, I'm not sure if its me only but I've been going out consistently to try and get girls handled but I've been facing a lot of rejection I'm starting to doubt whether I can become consistent. When I go out like take yesterday for instance I went to a house party and got rejected like 16 times before I hooked up with only 2 chicks the last one was attractive but the other one was average, so what I'm trying to get to/conclude is do you guys get rejected this much as well or is it me? (something I could change maybe? Usually this is what goes down:

Me: Hey
Girl: Hey(visibly smiling)
Me: Hows your night going
Girl: Its okay
Me: Just okay Wait tell me whatsupp?
Girl: She explains and we talk for a bit then she looses interest

Which I don't understand I'm not unattractive I've implemented a change in style, hair and behaviour so I don't know. The two chicks that didn't reject last night were feeling me up saying I'm so hot and stuff but a success rate of 16 to 2 is not on i mean the Rejection dilemma?

 

[SillyCarl]

Oh shit I didn't realize that thanks man.

I thought doing pickup meant that I could get most girs I approach. Like Chase for example or Franco I'd imagine they get most girls they approach since they are masters at this. I got oral from the one and made out with the other. 'Conversation Strategies' you mind just explaining a bit on what those are?

 

[Chase]

Carl-

I thought doing pickup meant that I could get most girs I approach. Like Chase for example or Franco I'd imagine they get most girls they approach since they are masters at this.

When you get good, you can start targeting more accurately and then your approach-to-lay percentage goes up quite a bit, since you already know which women are likely to respond well to you and can often roughly guess what they might be down for. Even when your instincts are quite good though, you'll still be surprised quite often (girl you thought would down to go home with you won't do anything with you; girl you thought wasn't interested at all goes home with you 20 minutes after intros).

But no, I certainly do not get most girls I approach. I do have pleasant conversations, and nice flirtations, with most of the girls I approach and don't get too many hard rejections anymore, but the actual number I sleep with is still just a fraction of the number I approach. Probably somewhere between 1/10 and 1/20 at this point, if we're counting everything from pings and "hi" on up as an approach, but that's just because I rarely do mass approaching anymore.

That number can get shot to hell if I decide I'm going to do a lot of approaching and will approach as much as necessary to find a girl to pull ASAP, too. When you do that, sometimes the first girl you approach is the one you take home, but sometimes it's girl #37... close rates plummet when you set aside targeting.

It's always a numbers game. The numbers get better, and it gets a lot easier to ping girls naturally to see who's receptive without putting yourself on the line for big rejections as much, but numbers are always a part of it.

Chase

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Chase,

But no, I certainly do not get most girls I approach. I do have pleasant conversations, and nice flirtations, with most of the girls I approach and don't get too many hard rejections anymore, but the actual number I sleep with is still just a fraction of the number I approach. Probably somewhere between 1/10 and 1/20 at this point, if we're counting everything from pings and "hi" on up as an approach, but that's just because I rarely do mass approaching anymore.

I think this is important for the guys to know that success rate for even the best is in this range. Ego wise we all would like for all girls to want us but the reality is different. If we understand this then we can keep our egos in check and not get discouraged. We all have a tendency to write about our success and leave out a lot of failures. So for you to say it is a numbers game is encouraging.

When you get good, you can start targeting more accurately and then your approach-to-lay percentage goes up quite a bit, since you already know which women are likely to respond well to you and can often roughly guess what they might be down for. Even when your instincts are quite good though, you'll still be surprised quite often (girl you thought would down to go home with you won't do anything with you; girl you thought wasn't interested at all goes home with you 20 minutes after intros).

One of the most important things to learn is reading the girls. This saves so much time and helps our ego. Since learning from GC I can tell within a couple seconds if a girl are interested in me most of the time. Occasionally I will miss one who is interested but doesn't show it right off.

Thanks for the input.

SGent