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KJ Francis

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Ok so I tried something a little unusual. I posted on reddit for a college town where it's kind of empty for summer but still sees some action. I used the word "wingman" first and it got auto deleted. So I posted again and said I was looking for anyone who is sitting at home wishing they had someone to go with to bars and clubs to meet people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

I got maybe 20 DM's and ended up chatting back and forth a decent bit and made plans for a specific venue and time with five girls from early to late 20's. All of them were "chasing" the idea, actively planning. All but one confirmed this morning. I expected some flaking but in the end only one showed up. So maybe not a good strategy.

But when I got in the place, I noticed a girl arrived alone. Super cute, slim. I approached and asked if she was meeting someone (thinking maybe she was one of my group). She said no and we got talking. She had been flaked on for a date because the dude got laid off and was all mixed up, and she decided to come out for the first time in her life (other than once she went to a movie alone). She opened up real well to me about her passions and such.

Then one girl from reddit arrives and we grab a table. They get along very well. We then bounce to another venue that is like no lie fifty guys either 90% naked in harnesses or in furry costumes. We then proceed to play a game of pool. I have very good proximity with both of them when we get close to talk, like they are definitely enjoying body contact, my hand on their backs, faces really close, sexual eye contact etc.

One is a white girl from a rural area, and the other I planned to meet was black from Africa working on her PhD. Both super slim and super cute. We bounced back to the first venue and sat at a different table, then to a third upstairs bar, then to the outside area. Great venue for pickup cause there's a dance floor, lots of areas for verbal, isolation, narrow hallways, etc. I'll be back, though it's not close by.

Anyways, the black girl leaves about 1:30am and asked what I'm doing tomorrow lol so we will hang again sometime. She had a blast. So I'm left with the white girl outdoors, legs touching, deep intimate conversation about relationships and things. Frame is set for casual. She tells me she's had fuck buddies. She goes to the bathroom and I get talking to a couple random guys.

She comes back and joins the conversation. She is really into martial arts and gets taking to this dude who is also into it. This is a major hobby of hers. This guy is not a threat at all, basically social convo with AFC.

Venue closes and we are parked in different directions so she says bye to me and this guy and abruptly departs.

I start driving and a little later see she sent me a selfie with dreamy eyes like those cologne ad model dudes and said she is at her car but going to wait a bit for the drunks to get going before driving home.

So of course I'm like fuck this is an escalation window but I'm already on the highway. So later I text her that it was an abrupt goodbye, I would have walked her to her car, to text me when she got home safe, and I hope to see her again. No answer but we'll see.

So I'm thinking I should have left the dude when she came back from the bathroom and isolated her immediately again. Or alternatively if that did not play, then to at least walk her to her car at the end. It all happened so fast, I was tired not thinking sharp.

It was four hours with these two girls like a preselection echo chamber. Whatever the case, I learned it is very important to take a strong lead.

Live and learn.
 
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Derek da man

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I think you're doing really well working with 2 girls simultaneously - I get mentally tired with just 1 !!!

Sounds to me like you're very sociable and easily connect with most people - hence getting on with the 2 guys at the bar, so that plus you have going for you actually played against you here.

So I'm thinking I should have left the dude when she came back from the bathroom and isolated her immediately again
At that time of the night it's time to keep her isolated as much as possible which prevents anyone blocking things. It's time to leave, either because the venue is closing or because you want to move things on doesn't matter. When it gets to that point just need to move things along. As she returned I would have bid the guys goodnight and moved her along away from them or anyone else as far as possible.

Girls often go to the bathroom not because they want the toilet but more often to check their make-up/hair/etc which is the cue she's wanting you to escalate. It may not be a conscious thought process on her part, but experience says it's time to escalate and bounce or bounce then escalate - depending on your style/venue/logistics.
 

KJ Francis

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I think you're doing really well working with 2 girls simultaneously - I get mentally tired with just 1 !!!
Thanks man, yeah this was brand new to me. I just kept it chill and got to know them without "hitting on them" but balanced it with nonverbals, which was more just naturally letting my attraction pull me in close proximity cause it felt good to create that tension.


Sounds to me like you're very sociable and easily connect with most people - hence getting on with the 2 guys at the bar, so that plus you have going for you actually played against you here.
Agreed yeah I was too sociable at the wrong time here. Just followed the Chase tip for guys... Simply asked about what they do, short probing questions Dale Carnegie style


As she returned I would have bid the guys goodnight and moved her along away from them or anyone else as far as possible.
Yuppp


Girls often go to the bathroom not because they want the toilet but more often to check their make-up/hair/etc which is the cue she's wanting you to escalate
I'll remember this, thanks... Wasn't thinking that at all...

She was still sobering up to drive so I didn't move to pull since she lives with family our only logistics were in the car, etc.

I thought we'd naturally just leave together and I'd kiss her at the car or something but I was too passive and chill just hanging out even before the bathroom break. Should have said let's go for a walk so I could stretch my legs before the drive home.
 
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