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Lotus

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Hey Guys,

This past weekend started extremely unpleasant but finished pretty fucking awesome. The first 16 hours were awful and the last 16 was fantastic. :)

The point of this report is not to show my awesome pickup skills, but to show what can happen if you don't give up. I've been taking my time putting together the report beacuse i wanted to write the first part as objectively as possible. I still think these girls are idiots.

Friday

Went to Ocean City, MD to visit a girl I' had a casual relationship with for 5ish months. She is a very cute with nipple rings and a recent breast impants(she actually got them right after we hooked up the first time, lucky me!). We hadn't see each other in 2 months, but we stayed in about once a week very warm contact resulting in nudes

Drove down after work Friday night around 11:30 and visit Kay while she bartended. Had a beer, bought us both a shot and gave her a good tip. After, we head back to her place and I meet her two friends M & L(both in nursing school). We exchange pleasantries etc.etc. and they make a comment about sending out snapchats of making out with each other. We all get along well, the weekend looks promising.

12:30 the 4 of us head to a dive bar and order drinks. Kay pays for mine and I assume shes making up for the shot. We get a table and they get food, I don't so when the check comes later I don't offer any money.

L complains her throat is sore and says she needs to see the doctor bc she thinks she has the flu....while downing a vodka drink. I chuckle and playfully say "maybe you should just stop drinking and have some water." We go back and fourth about it and M chimes in L probably should just stop drinking--- these three were just talking about how they had been drinking all week.

Once back M & L go to sleep. I sit with Kay on the couch and watch Barbershop. She keep repeating how tired she, and escalate she gives me a peck and deflects(she has never done this). I'm tired as well, I had a rough day at work but I drove two hours to have a saucey weekend...I try again in bed, she says she is on her period, which is true but doesn't explain the lack of interest and attraction.
-previously she had told me no one has ever gone down on her like i did, so fall asleep confused.

Saturday morning

Kay and I are getting ready to get breakfast and I invite the other two because why not, the more the merrier. Things begin to slide the 3 of them together is no fun. They are loud and obnoxious, which causes me to get stuck in my head and I stop paying attention to them.

Second bar we meet 2 of their guy friends who are cool and everything goes back to normal. I spend more time talking to them and chat with other people as well. There was a strange interaction with 4 dudes as soon as we walk in. I don't think anything of it at the time but looking back I think one of them was "her new guy".- will address later. Something happens here and all 3 are starting to act disinterested. Kay stops giving me more then 2 words.

Bar three: It's around 4-5 pm and M & L transitioned from warm, to neutral, to openly hostile in 4 hours. We get some food and they are taking shots at me trying to knock my social value. I know what they are doing and just brush the insults off as silly girl comments. Externally I believe i was cool but internally I was like "what the fuck is going on".

I've never been in a situation like this and with my cloths in Kay's room it seems any real defense would make matters worse.

After we eat I pull Kay to the side to talk. She tells me:
1. Shes dating someone and which is why she didn't want to hook up.
2. Her friends don't like me.
3. I was rude.
4. I didn't buy enough drinks for them since I stayed at their place
5. She brought up our first date and basically said I was cheap because I asked her out and didn't buy her drinks
- This has come up repeatedly on the forums.

I wanted to tell her the extent of what i really thought, but my bag was in her room. My response was along the lines of " You should have never invited me up here if you didn't want to hook up, that was the entirety of our relationsip. I came up to see you and you allowed your friends to treat me like shit. I'm grabbing my stuff and leaving."

I have been thinking about what happened for the past 48 hours and I want to do a quick recap before moving on. A couple times before it went to shit Kay mentioned, " you are sooo cultured". I guess that was her way of saying you are too high value?

Maybe i underestimated how much I have chanaged.

Got a uber back to her place and grabbed my stuff. I was so confused, but at least I was out of the situation. Two of my friends were driving up and I stopped to think how I would tell them I was heading home.

Sat in my car for 10 minutes....

Fuck it, got to get back on the horse.

On the up

Called my friends. Filled them in. Told them I would get a hotel room and we would to go to Seacrets(the super mega bayside beach club) and proceed to forget about it all and find some chicks to bring back.

Immediatley my mindset changed and I could feel the exictment rising in me. Feeling like myself again I began chatting up everyone including the hotel receptionist who upgraded us from the cheapest room possible to the second cheapest with a pull out couch for free. Once checked in we picked up some beer and chaser for the rum. I took cold shower to complete the transformation.

Another friend who I hadn't seen in about 7 months was at Seacrets with his GF and ran into him around 11. The 5 of us popped around the different venues for an hour or so when we hit the disco. The goal was to start finding some girls here but it was just a bunch of dudes looking to grind on girls. After 10-15 minutes in the club we head out to roam.

I go up to get a drink and comment to a dude, "every guy is in the club trying to grind on girls, so i'm gauranteed to find it numerous out here." He laughs and we chat. He is visiting from California and I tell him the short version of the story. His girlfriend thinks this is awesome and decides start picking up girls for me on the premise that I am her brother. She is very attractive and the social proof was enough to get me a couple hits.

Eventually one sticks and her name is Nicole. She is wearing a leapord pattern dress, matching bra, decent tits and has a big ass. She's there with a friend and she off somewhere. They are visiting from New York and staying in a hotel on the strip as well. After 30 mintes I go for the pull.

Me: Hey, lets get out of here and take a walk on the beach.
Her: Yeah! Let me just find Nicole( Yes. Two Nicoles.)
-she calls. no answer.
Her: Nicole isn't answering
Me: I'm sure she is just talking to another guy and she is fine.
Her: Probably, but I won't leave without her.
- at this point Seacrets is closing and we are being funneled out. She still wont leave so we reside to patiently wait for her friend to come out. It's been 30 minutes since I intiated the pull but since she was only with one friend and we were waiting for her there I resided to stick it out.

Eventually the friend comes out with a guy and they both come to the beach with us. I make out and finger her in a lifegaurd chair and pull her back to my hotel. Luckily I had just enough cash left for a cab and my friends were no where to be seen so I had the hotel room to myself.

The next day I was out of sorts. Emotionally I was in shock from a big low followed by a big high. Even now I'm confused. Luckily I was able to slow things down enough to not give up on the weekend.

If you made it this far thanks for reading.

Question:
- Would there be a recovery option in a situation like that without ejecting and without having to deal with a big blow up making it hard to get my stuff?

I thought Kay seemed cool enough beforehand even though she wasn't GF material, but after that I had no idea what would happen.

-brum
 

HellAtlantic

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It probably wouldn't kill you to dip into your wallet a little more to avoid looking cheap. It does more harm than good. The thing is just like there's always another girl out there so no point in sweating rejection from females perspective there probably are like 10 of you out there and most if not all of them will pay for drinks. I've never heard of not buying drinks escalating attraction. If anything it's attraction neutral. But why do anything that won't increase attraction? You got small windows with chicks - something I've learned the HARD way - and if you don't wanna splurge then the next guy certainly will.
 

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To me Brum, sounds like these girls were lacking in the knowledge department. Also they wanted a wallet and got you instead.

There are a few things that make me think that she invited you up there just for money, one was "I didn't buy enough drinks for them since I stayed at their place", I find that just to be utter bullshit. YOU went there to hang with HER, not her roomates why would you pay for HER roomates, when SHE invited you down. It'd be like you asking her for gas money for the ride down to her place. I can understand buying her a drink but not her roomates, they just wanted someone to give them money.

And that part about you being cheap and not buying her drinks on the first date? thats an entitled bullshit excuse, she still fucked you.

I love the way you respected yourself and chose to exit the situation, good shit man and hey you fucked a new bitch :D
 

HellAtlantic

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It's not entitled for a girl to expect a man to pick up the financial slack for first date, but it's expected. Just like in the PUA community its expected for the man to lead and be the initiator from females perspective its expected the man will be a man and dip into his wallet. Guys are a dime a dozen, we're all trying to bang. Gotta pay to play. But yeah you didn't need to buy her friends and they didn't need to be nice to you. And where'd that get you? See how it works? Sure you banged in the end but life lesson here could possibly be maybe just buy a round for everyone (provided its all chicks) and get that out of the way. I'm sure 3 chicks wouldn't expect 1 dude to carry them the whole weekend but it's a nice gesture to establish yourself as a man.
 

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I'm giving her the pleasure of my company, I'm not going to give her my money aswell.

When it comes to buying on the first dates, to me thats too provider ish, I'm a broke ass college student so yes I am cheap and I'm not going to pickup your slack.

"but it's a nice gesture to establish yourself as a man." - A gesture to establish yourself as a NICE man who is there to PROVIDE

In that case it with the money to me it sounded entitled
 
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HellAtlantic

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So then don't go on dates. Try to establish your ONS game and be done after picking up at bar and bringing home. But if you go on a date there's expectations. If you can't meet those expectations that's on you, not the girl. Buying drinks doesnt decrease your sexual vibe or put you into BF category - your level of game and frame does. Not buying drinks just makes you cheap in most girl's minds. You can still buy a girl or her friends drinks or at least a round and maintain frame that you are a sexual man who doesn't want to waste time if there's not gonna be fucking at the end. But hey one of us is wrong and the other must be right. I'd just buy a round at the beginning to eliminate the "cheap" label and then focus on game.
 

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In a vacuum what you said might make sense. Even the "I'm giving them the value and privilege of my time so I don't need to buy anything for them" line of thinking. But this isn't a vacuum. It's real life. There's thousands of guys with cocks and we're all trying to get fucked. And the girl gets to decide who she lets fuck her. This is real life. You lower your value not buying at least a round of drinks on a date. ONS? Totally acceptable. But if every guy with a cock who wants to bang and follows PUA community is picking these girls up the outliers - the ones who don't wanna buy a round - get left to the side. You can try to philosophize it all you want but a guy who has his shit together financially and can afford a round of drinks isn't going to rationalize anything. He's just gonna pay like its no big deal. This shit might work with 3s and 4s cuz they're just happy for your attention but average looking chick or better will have expectations.

I agree with your post about him not bringing enough fun value to offset any negative interactions. That seems spot on.
 

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Radeng,
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Brum,

It sounds to me that they all sensed your motives to sleep with Kay. Then in turn they sensed bitterness when you didn't get to. They knew you were in your head and annoyed and they wanted to test you.

I seriously doubt this really had much to do with money at all to be honest. Money was just the easiest thing they could put into words. You do not need to pay, but you weren't bringing value in the form of fun which is what they really wanted.

What they wanted was a guy to bring the fun party. They wanted a guy to lead and buy shots and get loud and rowdy with them. they wanted a bad boy who was ready to match them in wildness and you were chilling and brought the vibe down. You brought it down when you suggested sore throat stop drinking. Then the next day when you got annoyed, they read it all over you and they were simply tired of you making them feel bad for their degenerate partying and or slowing them down. I prob would've felt the same way as them if I was in their shoes.

They tested you right out of the gate with the kissing on snapchat remarks and you didn't take the opportunity to show how cool you were with snapchat and girls making out and sex. They probably felt judged by you.

Remember girls are much more attuned to body language than you. It doesn't matter what you said or didn't say.

Money wasn't the deal here, look for the deeper issue, and think of the ways you influenced the party vibe to be more chill. That was the source of their resentment.

Now with that said. AMAZING job taking up for your self, putting your foot down, not dealing with he childish bullshit and being a total pimp and recovering like a champ with leopard print girl :) you're the man homie. Most men would've been too wrecked by the circumstances to dream of doing what you did! It's a learning experience.

Radeng

Yeah, your right. I didn't realize how much my annoyance sounded like bitterness from lack of sex. When in reality I was pissed about getting locked out of my computer all day, and my wingman bailed the morning up. The sex issue but me over the edge. If i had just taken 5 minutes to meditate and leave all that shit at home and go for fun it probably would have been okay.

Shit if I had a girl visit me and 3 of my buddies and she was being just ehh I'd be annoyed also....Shit, all week and pondering and I couldn't wrap my head around that part. thanks.

Leapord print girl was a lot of fun I!

Raqimus said:
To me Brum, sounds like these girls were lacking in the knowledge department. Also they wanted a wallet and got you instead.

There are a few things that make me think that she invited you up there just for money, one was "I didn't buy enough drinks for them since I stayed at their place", I find that just to be utter bullshit. YOU went there to hang with HER, not her roomates why would you pay for HER roomates, when SHE invited you down. It'd be like you asking her for gas money for the ride down to her place. I can understand buying her a drink but not her roomates, they just wanted someone to give them money.

And that part about you being cheap and not buying her drinks on the first date? thats an entitled bullshit excuse, she still fucked you.

I love the way you respected yourself and chose to exit the situation, good shit man and hey you fucked a new bitch :D

They were a little dumb but it's not my job to be judgmental, which I was. But yeah she loved the sex for the first 3 months and chased me for a relationship so the money aspect wasn't an issue until it was.

Thanks bro defintley learned a lot from the whole thing!

HellAtlantic said:
In a vacuum what you said might make sense. Even the "I'm giving them the value and privilege of my time so I don't need to buy anything for them" line of thinking. But this isn't a vacuum. It's real life. There's thousands of guys with cocks and we're all trying to get fucked. And the girl gets to decide who she lets fuck her. This is real life. You lower your value not buying at least a round of drinks on a date. ONS? Totally acceptable. But if every guy with a cock who wants to bang and follows PUA community is picking these girls up the outliers - the ones who don't wanna buy a round - get left to the side. You can try to philosophize it all you want but a guy who has his shit together financially and can afford a round of drinks isn't going to rationalize anything. He's just gonna pay like its no big deal. This shit might work with 3s and 4s cuz they're just happy for your attention but average looking chick or better will have expectations.

I agree with your post about him not bringing enough fun value to offset any negative interactions. That seems spot on.

But in reality most guys don't have a clue what they are doing. They instictively buy drinks to buy their way into girls pants. Girls know this and girls DO take advantage of those guys. However bringing value isn't something every guy can bring so it defintley does work.

But I agree that on a date specifically it may be better to not make waves and not make it a big deal to buy a drink.... but at the same time I have gone on dates with girls who were happy I didn't pay for the whole date.

It's something that varies depending on the girl... I have noticed a trend agewise. As women age and date more they are more likely to resist being bought drinks. There was a 30 something mom a couple months ago that insisted on buying the majority of my drinks.

These girls were younger and less mature, but Kay still followed my lead and fucked me enthusiaticly for 3 months. So obviously I did bring enough value.

Thanks for the comments guys!

Edit: wrote all this before radengs last post and I agree.
 

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I 100% agree with radeng here. It was just a vibe mismatch, it happens. You just have to calibrate to whatever vibe the group is running at. I think Chase talked about it in his life of the party article or something.

HellAtlantic, you've got to be kidding me. There's seldom a reason you should pay. The only times I pay is when I either feel like it or it's something cheap like frozen yogurt. Or if I invite a girl over and I buy the ingredients for whatever we make (I like cooking/drink making dates). If you like to pay, that's you, but me I find it a waste of money.

It's only expected because if you're not a powerful sexy guy, you have to obey social norms. Fortunately we're all working to be above that :)

Jake.
 

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People can call me many things but they won't ever call me cheap. I look sexy and got the biggest ego you'll ever have the displeasure of meeting in person and I have no prob buying a round. I don't buy a round for any old approach - that's what game is for - but if you're on a date and you want to be viewed as a man when she's talking to her friends about you then open up the wallet and pay. There has never been a girl who said to her friend after the date was over "it was cool, had fun. Had to pay for my own stuff" and her friend said "that's hot!"

Sure there's more than one way to catch a cat but trying to get pussy for cheap has never been my game. To each his own.
 

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After thinking about this it actually brings up an interesting theory:

Age appropriate game.

I'm 37, I'm sure most of the dudes in here are 20 something's. No one my age would ever think about making a girl pay her own way on a date, game or not. But maybe for someone in college who's low on funds or just out of college making entry level salary they have a different perspective on getting pussy for little investment.

Might be one of those things where no one is wrong. Might be a generational thing.

agree to disagree, I suppose.
 

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I think this isn't a black-and-white scenario. Just paying something for a girl doesn't put you in the provider slot. Hector paid for dates in some of his LRs.

That said, in the majority of cases this isn't going to determine that you're gonna bang a girl or not at the end of the date. But as HellAtlantic remarked, in the few cases you do think it might be awkwardly inappropriate not to pay, go ahead and just do it. Don't let it stand in your way to a lay.

EDIT: as radeng repeatedly said, this is also something that has to be somewhat congruent to your personality. I'd never ever pay for a date (except in rare occasions where it would fuck my way to her pussy), but I have a friend who consistently pays for his first dates. And he's definitively above average regarding seduction. It works for him. You can do it both ways - I just feel more comfortable not paying because I don't wanna set expectations and shit. EDIT: Plus, I'm broke.

In this particular case, I'm with radeng and think that it had nothing to do with you paying or not. But I'm curious; What did her friends say here?
We get some food and they are taking shots at me trying to knock my social value. I know what they are doing and just brush the insults off as silly girl comments. Externally I believe i was cool but internally I was like "what the fuck is going on".
 

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Big Daddy said:
I think this isn't a black-and-white scenario. Just paying something for a girl doesn't put you in the provider slot. Hector paid for dates in some of his LRs.

That said, in the majority of cases this isn't going to determine that you're gonna bang a girl or not at the end of the date. But as HellAtlantic remarked, in the few cases you do think it might be awkwardly inappropriate not to pay, go ahead and just do it. Don't let it stand in your way to a lay.

EDIT: as radeng repeatedly said, this is also something that has to be somewhat congruent to your personality. I'd never ever pay for a date (except in rare occasions where it would fuck my way to her pussy), but I have a friend who consistently pays for his first dates. And he's definitively above average regarding seduction. It works for him. You can do it both ways - I just feel more comfortable not paying because I don't wanna set expectations and shit. EDIT: Plus, I'm broke.

In this particular case, I'm with radeng and think that it had nothing to do with you paying or not. But I'm curious; What did her friends say here?
We get some food and they are taking shots at me trying to knock my social value. I know what they are doing and just brush the insults off as silly girl comments. Externally I believe i was cool but internally I was like "what the fuck is going on".


Two instances I remember from the dinner portion:

-3 of us sit down at the table and pull out menu's. I have never been here so I ask. Add in rude, snappy attitude.

Me: What are you thinking about getting?
L: I don't know. I just sat down.
L: What are you going to get?
Me: No idea.
L: Yeah, exactly.....

and toward the end of the meal. I

M: So when are your friends going to get here?
Me: I'm not sure I haven't heard from them yet.
L : Do you think they are still coming?
Me: Who knows... My other buddy bailed, so they are probably going to bail as well.
Kay: Yeah, I wonder why......
Me: oh shit, shots fired.

I saw this one coming and self-deprecated, but didn't expect it to come from Kay. And I just remembered another one from the car ride over. They stuffed 4 in the back so:

L: why does he get shotgun?
M: who cares. we don't want him back here anyway.
L: good point.

Haha.... looking back a week later it's pretty funny.
 
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