FR Roxanne

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LMR is a bitch.

After scheduling the easy date with Roxy, I can't sleep. I'm way too nervous for that. So I just keep twisting and turning in bed from midnight to 3 AM before passing out.

I wake up today in a rush as I go to the gym and clean the apartment. Just when everything is done I send her a message asking if she's still coming. After about an hour of waiting/cleaning she replies saying she's coming now. She messaged me when she got to the gate.

I get there and let her in. I feel very casual with her. She's playing with her hair and her dress is quite short. This is a pretty good sign that I'm getting laid.

She comes in and she actually sits on the chair and not my bed.....even though the bed is like......right there. I immediately get the laptop and put it on the bed and ask her what kind of movie she likes (implying that we watching a movie). She gets onto the bed and says "anything", so I decide to just randomly choose one. As the movie plays in the begining, we keep chatting to each other and pausing the movie.....asking each other about our lives and such. Then I realize that we're kinda not all that touchy touchy, so I ask to see her bracelets, ask to hold her necklace (to touch em boobies ) and we carry on.

Then I pause the movie, take her chin with my index finger and try to make out with her. Instead, she just gives me a peck on the lips and moves her head away giggling.

We carry on the movie.

The BIGGEST MISTAKE I made here: Thinking I could escalate with her after finishing the movie.

So I just spent the rest of the movie trying to caress her body and trying to sneak in another kiss. And throughout the entire movie my face was close to hers. As I caressed her body, eventually I felt that I was caressing that skin that is just under her belly button but veeeeery close to her pussy.

She let me do that for a while before taking my hand away and telling me not to turn myself on. (I heard her breathe harder while I did it....I think I really was turning her on).

When the movie ended I reached in for a kiss, but she only gave me a peck and said she had to leave. I kept trying to physically force her to stay but I didn't use my full power because I've read that:

"If she physically rejects. Then you gotta stop'.

But I still felt like pulling her coz she kept smiling. Eventually she left and my balls were as blue as dory from finding nemo. She said she'd come back tomorrow to get some movies but I got doubts about her. I'm pretty sure she thinks I'm boyfriend candidate coz as she left the door, I asked for a kiss and she said "I don't do that on first da-" and then stopped herself immedtiately afterwards. And then said "things" in place of "dates". I dunno what was going on here. All that I know is that:

LMR is a bitch.

What did I learn: don't save intimacy for the end, because she's probably waiting for the end so she can run.

I have a headache now X(

 

[Sandman]

Ah this situation feels familiar lol. I've been there.

The girl seemed to like you but didn't seem to find you a very sexual guy. The only solution is practise + time. Up your fundementals, up your game and you'll see this situation declining. Then, one day you'll realize you're fucking most girls who come to your place and say "man, when the fuck did I level up?" lol.

Some pointers; be more touchy from the beginning. Touch her a lot. I use lots of touching and even things that are not very seduction friendly like hand holding or hugging (the more you get better, the less you need to do this I hear but I don't know if I'm there yet / haven't experimented with it). This will get you more used to touching girls in general and make the girls you date more horny. I touch women's legs and grab their butts and it feels natural now.

Also, make sure the girl is touching you as well. Take her hand and put it on your body. Take her hand and put it on your leg in dates, take their hand and put it on your chest, put it on your dick when escalating etc.

Caressing her body is a good one. But you shouldn't stop there, escalate gradually to the point where she refuses your advances and take a big step back and escalate again. The purpose is to have a definite yes or no from her either verbally or probably nonverbal. Either you're gonna have sex or know you did everything you could to make it happen. If your face was close to her that's a good sign. You can also kiss her body as well, her belly, her neck whatever.

Do not try to sneak in a kiss or ask for a kiss. Either do a man-handle kiss when she is not expecting it or look into her eyes seductively (your face should be very close to her) and close your eyes and kiss her.

Do try to make the bed the only place where women can sit. I used to hide my chairs when girls came over lol. Throwing laundry on chairs also works.

 

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Thanks mrre

Very sound advice. Especially about touching from the begining. I think that's one of the things about seduction that I've been struggling real hard to man up and do (others include sex talk, investment and eye contact). I think I'll move on from roxanne (my balls are still sapphire from the blue-balling she did to me) and practise with whomever I can get my touchy little fingers on.