Running into same old problem again with first dates.

[killerman]

Ok, last year, when I first started dating girls that I picked up during daygame, I had problems with getting past the first date for 11 dates in a row with different girls, and it took me a month and a half to get laid. Then I broke my dry spell and from then onwards I was regularly having sex every month at least, a lot of the time, sometimes with multiple girls every month. Now it looks i've run into the same problem again where I cant get past the first date. But the thing is I don't understand why? Is because I'm too aggressive on dates? Nowadays when I'm on a date, I do a lot of touching, and get physical very quickly. The thing is I'm not nervous like I used to be and move quite fast, often asking the girl back to my place. So why am I running into the same problem again? The thing is I did exactly the same thing last year yet had more success. In fact I'm less needy than ever before now and more confident now and when a girl blows me off I quickly move on to the next so it's not because i'm needy. Could it be because I'm moving too fast? The thing is I'm doing exactly the same things as I did last year yet it's not working anymore. Any ideas why?

 

[Frost]

If you could give us more details about your dates it would be very helpful, because nothing came to mind actually.

 

[killerman]

Ok well I meet them for a coffee. I buy them coffee as it's cheap as hell (thinking of now even scrapping paying for their tea/coffee altogether now since it seems like a waste of money plus they havent worked for it and it probably makes me come across as too tryhard for them). Then we sit down and we have conversation. During the interaction I try to relate to them as best I can to build a connection. Also I start to kino them quite early in the interaction. Maybe 10-20 mins in. Nothing insane, but just light touching on the shoulder/back. I get in the their space. Sometimes I go for the kiss on the first date, sometimes not. Maybe I'm touching them too early? Or maybe it's me buying them coffee/drinks which is the problem. However I'm doing EXACTLY the same things I did last year so that's why I don't understand why suddenly things aren't working anymore. That quote by Einstein "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of madness" is proving to be incorrect as I'm doing the same thing as before but getting different results, it just doesnt make any sense!

 

[Bboy100]

Have any external factors changed? Namely, have you moved to a different location? Or perhaps you're meeting girls in a different area now?

 

[killerman]

Nope, nothing has changed. I'm doing EXACTLY the same things as before, yet it's just not working anymore. Maybe it's because I've evolved? I mean, maybe I come across as more high value than before and more confident so maybe the things that I'm doing and my date setup/procedure is incongruent with my current value and confidence? Maybe I should play more hard to get? Serious, because today I had another date. This girl seemed really into me, she was smiling, laughing and It seemed like it was ON. My confidence was sky high yet when we got to the end of the date she just gave me the platonic hand shake and refuse to kiss. I mean, what the hell is going on? And today I was in the moment, wasn't in my head anymore, the conversation flowed yet still I ran into the same problems. I'm doing the same things as before, yet it's not working anymore. I've now decided to stop paying for their drinks and no kissing on first date. I mean, i'm probably coming across as too easy, which probably shocks them as I come across so high value and confident and i present myself really well, so when they find out i'm more attainable than they thought maybe they get a little disappointed as they wanted more of a challenge. This girl today was even talking about going travelling with me so I know interest was there. And there's no way I didn't come across as unattainable as I'd screen her and then congratulate and compliment her after she passed my screening. Seriously, from now on every first date is informational and i'm stopping paying for their drinks and i'm not gonna escalate or kiss the girl at the end of the date as what I'm doing aint working anymore. Anyone having the same problems? I mean, it's like i've regressed and back at square 1 despite all my lays and experience that i gained last year. At least in terms of results anyway as that's what matters. Anybody able to explain why this is? It's getting a little ridiculous now.

 

[killerman]

However it's worth noting that today was the best date I had out of the last 10 in terms of connection building and conversation. Conversation flowed real nicely and she was laughing, smiling more than all the other girls. Also it was the first date where I didn't bother doing any kino or physical touch as she was sat ahead of me. As a result I came across as less thirsty and she was really able to get comfortable. Only when i went to kiss her at the end of the date did I hit a brick wall, but maybe because it was too much of a jump to go from no touching to kissing. Maybe that was the only thing i did wrong.