#s to Dates ratio - getting real results

[Tkr]

Hey everybody,

I live on a college campus, and now that the weather is warming up there have never been more opportunities for cold approach. People are in better moods, and I feel great.

I have no problem getting #s, to the point where I'm confident I can get a number from even the prettiest girls I meet, provided I go meet them. Maybe 4/5

I'm quickly getting over my last shreds of approach anxiety, but now my problem is converting these #s into dates.

A lot of times, these girls don't even text back after my icebreaker. I've been playing around and taking a real educational approach to this, but so far I'm lucky to get 1 out of each 6 out on a date. It's a bit frustrating, and I'm wondering what kind of ratio's other guys are getting and how I could improve. I'm starting to believe that this is one of those things that are sadly out of her hands, and that it just comes down to being a large numbers game.

I save all my text conversations for reflection, but I think I need to be asking for #s earlier in our interactions. Even though every girl is clearly happy to give me their #, they're not producing any results because I ask for it too late (so I think). I may also need to take a more sexual approach, I'm worried that although being too charming may be good for keeping meets in a very positive mood it's getting girls to throw me into boyfriend consideration and is tanking any real results that I should be getting.

I'm gonna keep swinging, but if anybody else has the same issues or could recommend any tips that'd be great.

Really curious to hear any thoughts on this.

Thanks,
- TkR

 

[Gentle_Phrases]

My ratios are also horrible. I've yet to have a date - only a few "instant-dates."

The repeated theme from the GC articles (can't think of a specific one right now) and experienced guys on the forum is that over time, you'll begin to recognize which girls are actually interested when you get their number; when first starting out, I'm told that we guys have a tendency to "force" the number. Most girls will give it to you and then not respond, rather than say "no" to your face. Numbers mean very little.

NarrowJ, a guy who's straight killing it with the ladies, said in one forum post that only 50% of girls respond to his initial message.

Are you asking these girls for the number first or for the date first? Also, do you approach direct/make direct compliments when you chat with these girls? Just curious.

 

[Tkr]

Forgot to mention - I always suggest the idea of a date before I go for the number, and I think I do a good job of persisting to get it each time. What I don't do is nail down a specific time or even day for the date, it's just an idea.

I don't consciously decide how I approach, I don't do it often enough to have a routine. I just open however I feel and then remind myself to give her a compliment in some off-hand way (usually half-assed way) relatively soon to make sure she knows why I'm talking to her. (if she needs it, sometimes I could tell from BL that they're all about it) Could definitely work on that.

After doing some forum digging, I think I'm doing it all right - at least for me it's just an issue of not trying hard enough. And I think a lot of people have the same problem. People will say that they approach 3-5 woman a day for 5 days a week, and if you think of it, that way its kinda hard to not get a date with that much exposure if you get #s at least most of the time.

Imo it comes down to dedication, I need to step it up and approach more often. Some people were raised being praised for being smart/talented, and others were praised for doing hard work. You need both, and the first group tends to not work that hard.

 

[Marty]

Hey TKR,

I've been keeping a meticulous log-book since I began this life-transforming process. Here are my findings that are relevant to your question:

67 phone numbers from cold approach
Dates with 12 girls from cold approach

That's about 18% conversion rate number-to-date. It seems a bit like a marketing funnel to me, if you're familiar with that concept. So 1 out of 6 seems okay to me, if that's what you're getting... more or less equal to my figure.

My phone number obtainment rate is about 34%. That means my overall dating rate is about 6%.

Sadly, as I've learned to my cost, taking a girl on a date is not the same as romantic involvement. Even if she kisses me she might not want to see me again. Girls seem to get worried or upset with me easily after dates, even though I do my utmost to be kind to them. No idea why. Can't help you with that bit

-Marty

 

[Mr.Rob]

Yeah I've been in this life transformation process myself for 1 year, 3 months and I've still yet to set up a date with a number that I've gotten in the past. I've come close a couple times and had a couple girls agree and plan to meet up but I ended up shooting myself in the foot over text and now I'm back to square one.

I should probably make this a goal now that I think about it... Convert one number into a date within the next 2 months. I like the sounds of that!

Thanks for the indirect inspiration fellows!

 

[Marty]

I've still yet to set up a date with a number that I've gotten in the past.

Rob that's fucking hilarious, you do everything instantly. I need to take inspiration from you and do more of that, as I posted yesterday actually