FU SC fails

[Rakehell]

I have something like a work harem going on. I work with mostly women and it’s been working in my favor in a lot of ways.

There’s this girl I actually wanna lay though, who I’m stumped with. Quick disclosure, she’s engaged.

I can’t possibly articulate the entire dynamic between us, but i’m probably oneitised out a little bit. Truth be told I’ve grown a soft spot for her.

We talk, about life sexuality, eachother. It’s always man to woman, I can’t see a clear difference between us and girls i’ve been romantic with. We touch more than people should, when we talk the proximity is close and intimate.

She’s super compliant, she qualifies to me whenever, the sexuality is there, she even buy’s me shit.

But for whatever reason I can’t find the strength to pull the trigger with her when sex could potentially occur. Alot of it has to do with me being physically and mentally tired toward the end of work when we’re isolated. But I also feel like there’s something I’m missing in that crucial moment.

She doesn’t give clear signals in those moments either so it isn’t 100% just me. She also gets antsy and nervous in those moments.

Honestly I’m stuck on what to do when it comes to her. I’m close to just dropping the idea. I thought i’d write it down to see what you guy’s think. If I should just drop it and slap myself for getting this emotionally invested i’m ready to, let me know don’t spare me.

 

[Lobo]

Sounds quite exciting. There's something about forbidden pussy that hits different.

You mentioned the girl is engaged, so I'll give my two cents based on that.

I've never been in a situation like this, but I always go back to the fundamentals.

The attraction, sexuality, and emotional stimulation is there... there's absolutely no way she hasn't fantasized about taking you from the back in some isolated closet.

But you already know this, the real problem lies in that angst you feel from her. Your intuition is telling you it's not 100% yet.

Based on the other two keys being in place, the only thing i can crunch this up to is social frame, namely the fact that she's engaged.

The girl is fighting an internal war with herself, conflicting against her desire for you, but also the social stigma she'd face if she were to submit to her desires and get caught.

With this in mind, I would approach this using frame jujitsu. Leading the conversation going on inside her mind, from the outside.

The outside insider.

So, to make the conversational flow natural, I would first figure out what frames I need to set, in this case:
1) non-judgemental
2) discreet(this one is key)
3)it's ok to act on your desires... in fact, it's NATURAL. You get those gut feelings for a reason, and you've had that since the moment you were born. Why ignore that? (Don't say the desires part. Discretion and obfuscation is always key. She will fill in the blanks)

Then i will mentally build a roadmap that smoothly allows me to set these frames(the compass that bacchus mentions here), all the while building sexual tension, ofc.

Here are some articles for each of the frames, idk if you've already seen them but it always helps to relook:

Non-judgemental especially the section titled "letting her feel allowed"

Discretion

Submission gambit this one will be dynamite since she already is qualifying herself to you.

Just pepper in some "don't let anything chain you down" to allude to her engagement without fulling addressing it and you will calibrate it well.

As for your energy level, i think the work is a cop out excuse.

Since the dawn of time, wet pussy has been the most revitalizing force on the planet.

Wars have been fought over this.

I think this is happening because you are tentative about fucking this girl.

If you're not 100% in, it's easy to wash yourself away when the time for action comes, and then delude yourself without even being aware of it. I speak from my own experience...

Regardless, this girl knows she feels something special with you, and ultimately, it is up to you to lead her to something spectacular...

Something she'll never forget.

 

[Rakehell]

So, to make the conversational flow natural, I would first figure out what frames I need to set, in this case:
1) non-judgemental
2) discreet(this one is key)

Yeah i’ve done this

I try to keep a non judgemental persona about myself in general. We frame this other guy at my work as someone whos always negative and judgemental. I even tell her how I hate judgemental people and how it messes up relationships because you feel as though you cannot be yourself.


For the discretion frame I lead the conversation on keeping secrets and how I didn’t know if I could tell her something because she might be one of those girls who cant keep one. She qualified. Then I had us exchange “secrets” by asking her “whats a secret you’ve always wanted to tell someone but never did?” She told me something thatd happened in her past involving an ex

The third one I haven’t actually done but will try to work it in. I’ve set something similar by telling her how important it is to act on the things you desire because life is unpredictable and when you want something it’s important to go for it so you don’t live with regret in the future like most people.

Another notable frame i’ve set is scarcity because I will be leaving the company soon, I even joked about probably never seeing her again which could very well be true.

Another notable one i’ve set actually directly reframed her marriage and I could tell it had an effect on her. I didn’t bring it up directly but I mentioned how boredom was the death of relationships, and how I still needed to feel something for a person otherwise I dont think I could commite. I did this because I have a feeling her fiancé is a chump “For instance you know that feeling you get in your stomach when someone you’re really attracted to touches you?” “Alot of times in relationships that feeling goes away” “Here let me show you” at this point I grabbed both of her hands to deliberately give her butterflies “you see?” “that feeling is something that should last”

I was thinking it was social frame too @Lobo so I’d been deliberately setting these frames. I don’t know if it’s just a matter of me really needing to hone in on a specific one or what. I like the desire is natural one you mentioned.

Also some of the links you posted show up as invalid on my browser not sure if its just on my end

thanks

 

[Rakehell]

Just pepper in some "don't let anything chain you down" to allude to her engagement without fulling addressing it and you will calibrate it well.

Really like this feel like it will be useful in the future too outside of this.

I think this is happening because you are tentative about fucking this girl.

If you're not 100% in, it's easy to wash yourself away when the time for action comes, and then delude yourself without even being aware of it. I speak from my own experience...

Regardless, this girl knows she feels something special with you, and ultimately, it is up to you to lead her to something spectacular...

Something she'll never forget.

This might be the case although I’m not even sure myself. The desire is there for sure but it’s more about the conquest then it is about her.

When it gets down to crunch time it doesn’t really feel like things are “on” something is breaking the spell. It feels as though escalating wouldn’t be the right call.

The closest I got was having her teach me how to bachata if I taught her how to salsa. At that point i’d pulled her into me and we stood there locked into eachother. She pulled away and said “we need to go” abruptly creating distance. Now that I write it out it’s still sounding like social frame as you said.

 

[Lobo]

Ah i see,

If you've got all the bases loaded, the only thing I have left in my arsenal in a situation like this is liminality and hypnotic verbals.

Idk how to explain this well other than really working your pauses and tonality for some tank level impact.

I start by gradually talking slower and slower as the trance builds up. Then as I could see her getting sucked in I would touch her using the 1 finger technique in rhythm with my words to pull her in even further. I believe doing this was the main driving force to how I was able to get outdoor lays in crazy situations last summer.

The hypnotic verbals, besides putting her in a trance, also speak to a level of control and leadership that a girl really needs in risky situations like this one.

It melts through resistance like a ninja phantom blade(ie, you usually get token resistance, or even implied submission... "what if somebody seees us!!!")

In some form or another, I do something like this before I escalate, you might do it as well. It minimizes resistance and makes the girl feel like "it just happened," when really... i pulled 90% of the strings.

Sometimes it's easier to pull this off, sometimes I simply can't as well. I'd say the most important thing here is calibration and then your own vibe that you are trying to translate into your girl.

Besides that, more isolation is the only lever I can think of, like at your place or something

PS: I believe I fixed the last two links, they are working on my end but if they somehow don't, you can type 'submission', and 'read nancy friday' respectively into forum search. They are posts from teevster and bacchus, so it also helps to search by user

 

[Rakehell]

@Lobo the more you respond the more I feel like we’re on the same page seduction wise. I feel like we’re kind of on the same path.

Anyway I wanted to update this because we ended up working together again, alone.
I decided I’d try something different today and just escalate indifferent to how she was responding initially.

I show up and the vibes good, without getting mired too much in the technical aspect of every little thing.

There was a moment where we were both in close proximity and the tension was high, so I pulled her mask down and we kissed for a few seconds, I pulled away and looked her in the eyes. She looked away bashfully smiled and asked “what was that for”.

This was kind of an epiphany for me because she still wasn’t giving out clear signals. (atleast not in my scope of awareness)

I decided to fractionate my attention so that I wasn’t giving her too much of a good thing, and broke up the sexuality after that throughout the day in bursts of social and sexual.

We both ended up isolated again in a storage closet this time. At this point I decided to manhandle kiss her since I knew she was receptive. We made out as I started to escalate my touch, with her touching me as well. Then at some point she says “not here”, I pull away look at her for a few and we start kissing again, at this point i’m rubbing my hands up her neck down her thighs, and ass. But when I try to remove her clothing she tells me again “not right now”, and physically creates distance between us. I get the feeling this isn’t token so I just return to normal.

Toward the end of our day I notice she starts getting a little more testy which isn’t a big deal because they weren’t major nor took alot of mental gymnastics.

At some point her fiancé calls her in which she’s clearly annoyed. I hear her say the words “okay ill try to be out soon then”. She didn’t sound too enthusiastic to say the least.

As we’re beginning to leave and after i’d built some tension back up I had her sit on my lap, this time she leaned in and initiated the makeout. I’d gotten to the point where I was kissing her body but she soon told me that she had to be somewhere. It felt genuine but could’ve been LMR can’t definitively say. It didn’t feel right to persist at that point so we left out together. edit: forgot to add that again she physically created distance and started grabbing her things

I ended the night with a smile and uttering the words “you’re evil”, she smiled back and laughed and said “i’m not”.

Not sure if I made a technical mistake in the escalation process or if it was some other factor outside of my control.

I’m satisfied honestly because I felt like I needed to clarify myself as a sexual option, and did persist. I also learned some key stuff, and really had to strap my nuts on to escalate with her despite no real green lights being given.

 

[Lobo]

Yea I noticed as well that we have very similar games styles haha,

also interesting to see how lack of signals aren't always a sign of disinterest.

The only way I've discovered that helps block out asd or FSC while escalating is to continue talking to the girl with sexy filler. When I first started doing this, I really just focused on maxing out the sexy voice to further arouse but the actual verbal content is really fluff that I use to detract her mind from what I'm actually doing.

If a girl is closely reading your moves, then she'll set up a little trump card that will activate as soon as you reach a pivotal moment in the escalation.

By using slighly nonsensical verbals, I distract her rational mind from reading too closely to my moves, while also making her think what I'm saying is actually important with my sexy tonality.

Super ninja shit. If you don't keep her mind engaged, it will find something else to latch onto

Ofc, I'm not saying anything tooo moronic that it breaks her out of the sexual trance - Actually, now that I think about it and remember it better, I usually just continue an SOT that I was already talking about. But I have used things like the scenery; one time it was the water under the bridge, which I made her look at as I slowly escalated on her.
The other time I was telling this Portuguese girl how much I really like it when girls speak Spanish and really explaining that lol.
With a volleyball girl, i was talking about her astrology sign as well as the sexual preferences I googled up right in front of her as she was on my bed.
When I took a SC girl's virginity with her best friend laying 5 feet away on my bed, I escalated while talking about confident bad bitches and how they do what they want when they want. Her friend even awkwardly exposed us and saw my dick, which was engulfed by my girl's mouth.
My most recent lay, I escalated on her while talking about something abstract, related to her passion of art and what she had hanging on her walls.

very very minimal resistance with these lays. Usually, it was, "what if they see us" for the ourdoor and the SC girl lay, or "what if im too loud" for the volleyball girl... LOL. Except for portuguese girl, I got cockblocked shortly after on that night. It still stings because she was a fucking baddie.

Obsfuscation is HUGE, and I don't think it's talked about much here for preventing FSC. It basically allows you to casually bypass FSC and make her TOO horny to where her only option is to take your dick RIGHT NOW. I accidentally discovered this purely out of necessity with the weird situations I've escalated in, but now I use it everywhere, because there's nothing better than a girl begging for the meat.

Not sure if you already do this, but def worth trying out.

edit: here is an excerpt from my all-time favorite lay

Once on top of the boom lift, I draw her attention to the beautiful view of the river at night with the lights by the shore. It was quite the romantic sight and pretty much created a liminal bubble all by itself. She then begins to kiss me and we makeout a lot more. The way we were standing, she has to lean every inch of her body into me so she doesn't fall so soon enough she starts grinding on me. As this is happening I’m still talking to her seductively saying things like “yes… just enjoy this moment with me… every single second... And allow yourself to surrender...completely... to your desires”. As I was running these verbals I would also be tempting and arousing with my physical escalation. Starting from her neck and trickling down like a gentle stream of water… my fingers smoothly glided from her chin to her neck and onto her exposed sternum area with the intent of maximizing sensation. I would then tease and tease, getting closer to giving her the extreme pleasure of me feeling her breasts but would instead just circle around and building her excitement levels up. I did this a few times and would drag my hands from her belly area to her mons pubis but never actually going down south. Would grab her ass and shove it into me and she started to dry hump me. At one point I put my hand from her ass cheeks and into her thighs near the pleasure center. While doing this I made sure to keep her mind occupied with engaging, yet confusing fluff talk, and here I teased and then felt her pussy and she loved it. And I made sure to get her to confirm that.
“Wow… do you love how amazing that feels… how electric that feeling is..”
She says “yea I love all of it”
And she then bites my lip again I do the fake moan again and say “oommg… you are such a bad girl… you seriously need to calm down “
And then she says “do you want me to be your bad girl”

 

[Rakehell]

very very minimal resistance with these lays. Usually, it was, "what if they see us" for the ourdoor and the SC girl lay, or "what if im too loud" for the volleyball girl... LOL. Except for portuguese girl, I got cockblocked shortly after on that night. It still stings because she was a fucking baddie.

Obsfuscation is HUGE, and I don't think it's talked about much here for preventing FSC. It basically allows you to casually bypass FSC and make her TOO horny to where her only option is to take your dick RIGHT NOW. I accidentally discovered this purely out of necessity with the weird situations I've escalated in, but now I use it everywhere, because there's nothing better than a girl begging for the meat.

Nice. I’ve talked about random shit while escalating before, but it was more absurdist. It worked then so I can definitely see why this would work.

With this chick I could tell she’s open to having sex, but she couldn’t, atleast not in that moment. Now that I can think on the interaction objectively I just believe she had too much on her mind outside of us. Potentially some insecurity as well (period, shaving?). The make out was probably a big deal for her also, I get the feeling she’s inexperienced. I doubt its a framing issue as i’ve pretty much covered the whole boyfriend thing.

Think with her specifically there was a bunch of factors compiled (fighting her arousal) and the odds were stacked against sex at that time. Couldn’t get her to release everything and just fall to her desire.

 

[Rakehell]

Update: still spinning myself when it comes to this one. Honestly things are foggy for me right now and i’m not sure how to feel about it because i’ve never been in this situation before. With her being engaged, and social circle, things are so new for me experience wise i’m riding the tides.

We had a get together (a couple people from work) today & coincidentally she ended up “needing” a ride home toward the end. Of course I offered because it was the right thing to do……..lol

Anyway she gave me a window for her to stay in the car for a little so I obliged. We ended up making out for a little but again I hit a wall and she ended up HAVING to go inside because she had been out for too long already. I persisted but it was no use. She told me something ambiguous about “soon” and “don’t be mad at me”, whatever that means.

She sent me a text afterward which she never does almost like she was trying to get reassurance.

Can’t tell if i’m just being impatient, or if she’s playing cat and mouse. A part of me feels slighted because I KNOW girls who do this do it because they feel like they can, and i’m not used to being slow gamed. Not sure if it’s fair to feel that way.

 

[Rakehell]

Update:

Ended up getting the lay in something of a rollercoaster of a day.

During work we vibed as usual but I decided to be a bit more aggressive in risqué ways to really spike her arousal.

I nearly lost it toward the end as both of our emotions began to crest, and I started feeling really low on mental energy due to the nature of my job.

I ended up recovering the vibe by giving her some space and really just clearing my head. Once the shift was over I sat in the back and guided her onto my lap. As we began to makeout I followed @Lobo ’s escalation tip and kissed her while simultaneously fluff talking nonsense.

As things got more ramped up she looked at me dissapointedly and said “I really wanted to but mother nature intervened” I immediately knew what this meant.

At this point I’d remained poised and guided her onto her knees. I triangle gazed her spending a few seconds on her lips so she’d get the message, I also guided her hands to the crotch of my jeans.

She then gave me some really sensual head for a few minutes. After a while I was so turned on I just remember saying “fuck mother nature” and lifting her up onto our computer desk.

She told me okay but she needed to get prepared for it. After a short trip to the bathroom she returned to my arms and I lifted her back onto the desk. She asked if I had condoms said something close to “ohh so you were planning this” think I responded with “gotta be prepared for anything”, we ended up fucking for upwards of 15 minutes.

Anyway she told me how it was the first time she had ever done anything with a coworker, or on her period for that matter. Afterward we chilled and just went back to vibing as she rested in my lap.

She kept complaining about her legs so I joked saying she better get it together as her husband was outside waiting to pick her up……..

She called me later in the night to check in thanking me for the experience

Close thread

 

[Lobo]

Let's fucking go

 

[Rakehell]

Let's fucking go

appreciate the help my boy