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Hey guys I’m playing this sexual harassment game online that all students have to for university, I’m stuck on what to answer…

Scott: Charles, where's the cute chick you were eyeing earlier?
Charles: Eh whatever...she wasn't interested in hooking up so I'm stuck with you guys.
Adam: Dude, you obviously know nothing about hooking up. Go back over to that hottie and take some drinks. She just hasn't had enough alcohol yet.
Scott: Drunk girls are the best.
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My options to choose from:

• Scott has a point. Guys have a better chance with the drunk girls.
• Damn Scott, you sound like a rapist right now.
• Doesn't matter how bad you suck because they won't remember it the next day.
• Come on, you (should) know that anyone who's that drunk should NOT be having sex.
• If they're drunk enough they won't even know what's going on.
• How do you expect to know what she wants if she's that drunk?
______

What should I answer?

Gem
 
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Gem,

Knowing how lame the West is these days, I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is this:

Come on, you (should) know that anyone who's that drunk should NOT be having sex.

But in reality, the best answer is this:

How do you expect to know what she wants if she's that drunk?

- Franco
 

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Haha didn't realize I sounded serious asking this till I read it again right now.

I was just sort of asking in jest Franco; and also thought would be amusing to share ;)

I'm kind of answering whatever I want from what I heard you can just answer whatever and as long as you complete the 2 hour training you'll be solid. It's kind of bullshit tho that everyone has to do this.

Think the cognitive dissonance of reading the whole thing all of them trough would probably kill me; but random answers is at least tolerable.

Thanks for the sincere help though nevertheless :)

gem
 

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Gem,

Haha, it's always hard to tell with Universities these days -- the anti-sex culture there is so real that I'm afraid to take it as anything but seriously!

As terrible as the answer is, this one did make me chuckle:

Doesn't matter how bad you suck because they won't remember it the next day.

That one is surely the best answer! ;)

- Franco
 

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Haha that was my favorite answer too.

The only reassuring thing I find about this though is that few people at school are taking it seriously too; everyone largely seems to think that it's a joke aside from a few crazy feminist girls I've seen.

The training is called title IX training; but now we just use title IX loosely as a playful term for rape or sex.

Just in conversation with my friend the other day

"dude my roommate's girlfriend came over yesterday and I had no shirt on and she was trying hard to do stuff with me haha"
"haha did you title IX her?"

That's how you use title IX in a sentence and about all I've gotten from the training. Lol
 

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Just had to take that too, I hope no one at my school takes it too seriously...There was one that was like "your friend is drunk and wants to hook up..." My answer: "That doesn't sound like a great idea but she's a grown woman and can do what she wants..." was incorrect and I had to then choose the right answer (which I had guessed before but was hoping wasn't true), that you should cockblock and keep your friend away.

This is the stuff they are teaching all college students.
 

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Yeah, societies always have these back-and-forth swings between sexual openness and sexual restriction, because openness vs. restriction benefit different parties at the expense of other parties.

e.g., if you look at who's leading the push for sexual restriction, it's the same group that leads it every time it happens: unattractive upper class women, who apparently have the most to lose from an open sexual marketplace.

The unusual element to me in this era is that historically, unattractive upper class women usually fight to restrict sexuality by restricting female sexuality. Instead, the present agenda seems to push for women being as sexually unrestricted as possible, and men being as sexually restricted as possible, which is schizophrenic. If you restrict female sexuality, you also restrict male sexuality; if you unfetter female sexuality, that's dependent on unfettered male sexuality as well. Women can't have whatever sex they want with whatever men they want if said men fear social shaming or punishment for having sex with them.

It's kind of a bizarre movement and I don't completely understand it. It seems to come from some kind of delusional 'have your cake and eat it too' thinking, like, "We can restrict male sexuality, and then men we don't like will leave us alone, and of course the men we like will know these restrictions are only in place for the men we don't like and they won't have to follow them!" You mostly see this in university settings and academia, so I suspect it's a symptom of coddling young women too much and telling them they can have not just anything they want, but everything they want. There's some kind of extreme conflicting desire for protection from displeasure + maximum indulgence in desired pleasure, like the child who wants to take the toys of any other child it sees but wants other children prevented from taking its toys (or taking back the toys it's taken from them).

Chase
 

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These tests like this nowadays are peculiar as fuck.

My buddy had to take a multiple choice test for a CDL recently, and he said the questions were like:

Have you ever tried tried sugar or cocaine?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

or

How much alcohol do you consume in a day?
[ ] I never drink
[ ] 1 drink
[ ] 2 - 36 drinks


What the actual fuck?

-Jedd
 

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NarrowJ said:
These tests like this nowadays are peculiar as fuck.

My buddy had to take a multiple choice test for a CDL recently, and he said the questions were like:

Have you ever tried tried sugar or cocaine?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

or

How much alcohol do you consume in a day?
[ ] I never drink
[ ] 1 drink
[ ] 2 - 36 drinks


What the actual fuck?

-Jedd

Lmao

Yeah, societies always have these back-and-forth swings between sexual openness and sexual restriction, because openness vs. restriction benefit different parties at the expense of other parties.

e.g., if you look at who's leading the push for sexual restriction, it's the same group that leads it every time it happens: unattractive upper class women, who apparently have the most to lose from an open sexual marketplace.

The unusual element to me in this era is that historically, unattractive upper class women usually fight to restrict sexuality by restricting female sexuality. Instead, the present agenda seems to push for women being as sexually unrestricted as possible, and men being as sexually restricted as possible, which is schizophrenic. If you restrict female sexuality, you also restrict male sexuality; if you unfetter female sexuality, that's dependent on unfettered male sexuality as well. Women can't have whatever sex they want with whatever men they want if said men fear social shaming or punishment for having sex with them.

It's kind of a bizarre movement and I don't completely understand it. It seems to come from some kind of delusional 'have your cake and eat it too' thinking, like, "We can restrict male sexuality, and then men we don't like will leave us alone, and of course the men we like will know these restrictions are only in place for the men we don't like and they won't have to follow them!" You mostly see this in university settings and academia, so I suspect it's a symptom of coddling young women too much and telling them they can have not just anything they want, but everything they want. There's some kind of extreme conflicting desire for protection from displeasure + maximum indulgence in desired pleasure, like the child who wants to take the toys of any other child it sees but wants other children prevented from taking its toys (or taking back the toys it's taken from them).

Chase

This sounds accurate (especially cause I’ve seen the matriarchal society flip side of my parents’ culture: where girl sexuality is extremely repressed, but males directly much less so; though that happens indirectly through the female repression).

To me the conclusion I came to is “girls should get to do sexually what they want, but should also get the option to call it rape when they want to”. Essentially they can cry rape occasionally as they see fit, whereas other guys they have “good connection” with, it is then not considered rape. This is coming directly from the training^

Among the correct answer choices that lead up to this conclusion:

• The difference between what is rape and what isn’t rape will be very clear to girls, and girls will know if it is rape or not (she will be able to intuit it); and further from this fake rape won’t happen and shouldn’t be something you should be afraid of

• Rape or abuse can be emotional, physical, psychological (and again pretty contingent on girls feelings); lots of girls are in relationships where they are abused regularly and are not realizing it or are putting up with it because other parts of it are ok

• Just because a girl is dressing flirty or provocatively and is flirting does NOT mean you get to do sexual things with her or push for that or make comments like “damn you look fine” or “that’s a nice rack you got there”; and further it isn’t wrong for her at all to be dressing provocatively, it is wrong for the man to advance on her seeing that

• Girls should get to go to and have fun and stuff but guys have to be on guard about when they are crossing a line, and are advancing on her when she isn’t logically asserting it

The whole training ended up being all kinds of rules of what defines abuse and rape and taking advantage of girls.

I found it interesting that there was nothing about guys getting raped or abused or having shit happen to them (but I guess that’s to be expected and wrong of me instead to anticipate something like that given the zeitgeist of these matters currently in the west).



Whatever the case, I’ll soon get a girls hand grabbing my member and then I’ll slap it away and set her straight “hey that’s title IX, you can get in serious trouble for that, you better watch out!!”

-Gem
 

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@Chase. My take is it is a reaction to the increase in sexual violence on your campuses. Put a legal chastity belt on the men to stop the rapes. I believe this will have the opposite effect than is expected. If you keep men from having sex while you encourage women to flaunt some men will not be able to handle the stress and will commit aggressive acts. The standard that women should be able to expose there bodies while men are expected to ignore them is insane.
 

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BDSC,

I believe this will have the opposite effect than is expected. If you keep men from having sex while you encourage women to flaunt some men will not be able to handle the stress and will commit aggressive acts. The standard that women should be able to expose there bodies while men are expected to ignore them is insane.

Preaching to the choir, here. =)

- Franco
 

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Just because a girl is dressing flirty or provocatively and is flirting does NOT mean you get to do sexual things with her or push for that or make comments like “damn you look fine” or “that’s a nice rack you got there”; and further it isn’t wrong for her at all to be dressing provocatively, it is wrong for the man to advance on her seeing that

Shit I'm doing it wrong :\
 

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@Chase. My take is it is a reaction to the increase in sexual violence on your campuses.

Sexual violence trends are actually down significantly: Sexual Violence Against Women Down 64 Percent In Decade.

... however, there's a huge epidemic (especially on U.S. university campuses) of false rape accusations... something to the tune of 45% to 55% of all reported rapes, it seems: How to Avoid and Deal with False Rape Accusations.

Societies go through periods of sexual restriction followed by periods of sexual openness, and back and forth; e.g., the sexual freedom of the 1900s, 1910s, and 1920s followed by the restriction of the 1930s, 40s, and 50s, and the sexual openness of the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. The 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s have been an odd set of decades with a great deal of disunity, and groups of people (mostly unattractive women and low status men) pushing for simultaneously both sexual freedom of one sex and sexual repression of another, apparently not realizing that the sexes are linked and must work together either in repression or expression (possibly because the leaders of this push are largely high-testosterone women who do not represent the female opinion at large and are more likely to think aggressively/masculinely than cooperatively/femininely).

I suspect the enabling of this is due to the "outrage machine" that's taken over Western politics, and actually started with Fox (right-wing) News in the U.S., then became adopted by the CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS (left-wing) News shows, which turned the news into nothing but cut-and-paste sensationalism / outrage du jour. Once the news was doing this, anyone who wanted a platform to make outrage public suddenly had an huge channel to broadcast what were essentially minority views and make them sound like they had the support of the majority from all the credibility being on a national news broadcast imbued. Suddenly, anyone could do a takedown on his enemies if he fit the right victim narrative and could portray himself as sufficiently injured and/or outraged; the news needed sensationalist stories to keep its ratings up. The news still plays this role of "officializer" of drama and sensationalism, taking, say, Twitter protests or change.org protests run by a few thousand people and turning them into national movements and portraying them as expressions of unified national sentiment.

The outcome for universities was a hush falling over many larger U.S. institutions, responding fearfully to what appeared to be (yet was in fact far from) the "will of society", with universities being especially sensitive to this, likely because they're already insulated "ivory tower" places easily swayed by argument and abstraction, and because they'd been on a large pro-female student kick already for decades, trying to get more and more female students and distance themselves from their old male-dominated histories, and showing solidarity with female students by taking stands against their male students to make the campus a safer place for women appeared to be a natural next step.

A funny effect of the universities giving over to mob rule is that many of them have effectively transitioned into a model closer to the long-defunct student-controlled model championed by the University of Bologna in the Middle Ages from the 13th to 15th centuries. Professors are censored or terminated if they offend students, grades are revised if students complain loudly enough, course material is controlled by student complaints. The student-controlled model failed in the Middle Ages because Middle Age universities served as vocational institutions (much as today's universities do), and student-controlled universities simply didn't provide competitive alumni in the after-school jobs market (and over time, everyone realizes which schools produce the "Grade A" workers who come in and make the business more money, and which ones produce the "Grade B" workers who primarily serve as placeholders and paycheck-collectors). It seems this lesson needs to be relearned by many of today's universities, all too eager to follow the fickle whims of student bodies and assume the students know better than the teachers do:

The Coddling of the American Mind

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

I'm not certain if there's a way to make co-educational universities work in an anti-monogamous/marriage society like the West is right now. Co-ed worked when women went to university to get their MRS degree (i.e., find a husband), but it doesn't seem to work so well when they're approaching university as a place to further political goals of alternating expression and repression instead of one to get an education or a life partner (it's not even all or most women causing these problems; instead it's a "few bad apples spoil the whole bunch" deal). I suspect you'll see a trend of male-only universities re-emerging that promise a quality education free from drama and political intrigue, since this seems to be the major market gap that isn't being served right now: men who just want an education, instead of re-education.

Chase
 

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Chase said:
I suspect the enabling of this is due to the "outrage machine" that's taken over Western politics, and actually started with Fox (right-wing) News in the U.S., then became adopted by the CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS (left-wing) News shows, which turned the news into nothing but cut-and-paste sensationalism / outrage du jour. Once the news was doing this, anyone who wanted a platform to make outrage public suddenly had an huge channel to broadcast what were essentially minority views and make them sound like they had the support of the majority from all the credibility being on a national news broadcast imbued.

I think, it's excessive to say that it's happening all over the West.

That stuff is especially true in the USA and, to a lesser extent, in the anglosphere. In the French Canadian culture, Italian culture, French culture, Spanish (from Spain) culture, all this stuff is much less true. Of course, agitators are reported in the News, but they are treated with detachment. More along the lines of: "this bunch of weirdos are protesting for nothing relevant" than the "Let's join the outrage and take side" that you see in the USA news.

I think that the outrage effect about stuff linked to sex is mostly related to the puritanistic anglo-culture background.

As an example, the Tiger Wood scandal would never have a significant effect on his career if he was living in France.
 

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Orelfius said:
I think, it's excessive to say that it's happening all over the West.

That stuff is especially true in the USA and, to a lesser extent, in the anglosphere. In the French Canadian culture, Italian culture, French culture, Spanish (from Spain) culture, all this stuff is much less true. Of course, agitators are reported in the News, but they are treated with detachment. More along the lines of: "this bunch of weirdos are protesting for nothing relevant" than the "Let's join the outrage and take side" that you see in the USA news.

I think that the outrage effect about stuff linked to sex is mostly related to the puritanistic anglo-culture background.

As an example, the Tiger Wood scandal would never have a significant effect on his career if he was living in France.

Great point, Orelfius.

There's a refreshing lack of ridiculous outrage in non-English speaking Western European countries... I've noticed this too.

So much so that I actually find it continually surprising to hear people make statements that would throw many denizens of the English-speaking world into hysterics, and everyone just laughs and shrugs there.

It's reassuring that sanity prevails outside the Anglosphere.

I need to start polishing up on my French, Spanish, and Italian...

Chase
 

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Chase said:
There's a refreshing lack of ridiculous outrage in non-English speaking Western European countries... I've noticed this too.
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I need to start polishing up on my French, Spanish, and Italian...
Chase

I live in Montreal and here you can see first hand in a quasi schizophrenic way the difference: Among Anglophone, you need to walk on eggshells, among the franco, everything is fine, no big deal... and yet, the francophone girls are really liberal here. But if you go to a very traditional country (like spain or Italy), it STILL Ok no big deal.

Were the women are liberal: sex is ok for the man and the woman. Everybody get that.
Were it's very traditional: Everyone expect the men to chase sex, pursue women actively, etc. No big deal at all either.

It's really an anglosphere thing that slut/sex/creep shaming (pick the one that apply).

(By the way, it doesn't make the girls easier at all to bring in your bed... It merely spare you the trouble of the institutional powers trying to meddle with your sex life.)

But as an example: The USA are the only country of the world were the Monica/Bill saga could ever happen. Elsewhere, it was just ridiculous too watch. Seriously? Who care how that guy love to make love or with who. That's not why he was elected in the first place (well, I hope so).
 
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