I really don't understand this concept of a secret society. One that all women and successful seducers belong to. Any society that over 50% of the world's population belongs to is not a secret. And I've been with younger, slightly (or more than) crazy girls who in no way seemed to understand much about social interactions before, during or after sex - you can find that a little too often with internet dating, but I think it kind of disproves this secret society idea.
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They exist. Not exactly secret but you be surprised how smooth things work. 
Zac
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Imagine Chase would start charging membership, put some mysterious emblem on the web, and start calling GC secret society of seducers, or something in that sense. New member would be allowed, but only with recommendation of current members. All this compiled knowledge would be then considered "secret", but not really... It would just create the impression of mysterious guys who can seduce any girl at will... Some would probably think that it is a nonsense, others would be seeking some supernatural powers in it...
Involve some rituals, secretive monthly orgies during full moons with masks, rings with ranking reflecting skills of that particular member - and you have mysterious cult that could easily survive next 1000 years...
Involve some rituals, secretive monthly orgies during full moons with masks, rings with ranking reflecting skills of that particular member - and you have mysterious cult that could easily survive next 1000 years...
Ok, so let me run a hypothetical situation by you. An 18 yr old girl comes over to my place on my lunch break, back in my corporate days. She's less attractive than I usually go for, but Im curious about having a virgin for the first time. She gives me her first blowjob and I come. Now I don't have time or motivation to finish the job that day so she leaves. The next day she sends texts telling me her plans to marry me, and what beautiful children we would have. I told her it would be a one or two time thing max before we ever met, and decide not to see her again, despite my curiosity. Are you telling me this poor virgin girl is part of some secret society by virtue of not having a y chromosome?
What exactly is the secret? If you don't mind sharing. Is it just that women enjoy sex? I think more than 3% of guys are aware, please enlighten me, I am genuinely curious if Im missing out on something.
What exactly is the secret? If you don't mind sharing. Is it just that women enjoy sex? I think more than 3% of guys are aware, please enlighten me, I am genuinely curious if Im missing out on something.
Drck, what you're describing seems to just apply to successful seducers, unless you believe all women are capable of easily seducing each other (which I'll accept may be the case for the majority if they had an interest in trying, but maybe not).
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A more apt way to put it is this:
Only 3% of guys are capable of playing the seduction game with women on their own terms and winning.
Most guys do know that women love sex, but have absolutely no idea how to consistently get it from women.
The guys that can are the 3%.
With regards to seduction itself, I'd guess that around 99% of women are more socially aware (with regards to socializing and seduction) than 97% of all men. Being able to seduce and socialize is hard-wired into the biology and psychology of women; guys, not so much.
Only 3% of guys are capable of playing the seduction game with women on their own terms and winning.
Most guys do know that women love sex, but have absolutely no idea how to consistently get it from women.
The guys that can are the 3%.
With regards to seduction itself, I'd guess that around 99% of women are more socially aware (with regards to socializing and seduction) than 97% of all men. Being able to seduce and socialize is hard-wired into the biology and psychology of women; guys, not so much.
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Will,
To be honest, I've never really liked the term "secret society" because it doesn't really depict an accurate statement of the meaning that is trying to be conveyed. When I think of a "secret society," I think of a bunch of people who all band together with this same knowledge and work together to decide who gets to enter it and who does not. That's not how it works.
Instead, think of the "secret society" as more of an "unspoken rule" of the fact that women are willing to do the very things that they communicate they will NEVER do with the RIGHT men. For example, maybe a woman talks about how she would never participate in a gangbang with multiple guys so that she can convey that she is a "good girl" and not a "whore" or a "slut," because she believes these labels/reputations will prevent her from securing a high value mating partner.
HOWEVER, this woman then goes on vacation to Italy for a weekend and meets two very sexy Italian men who are very clear that they want sex from her. She knows the chance of anyone "relevant" finding out about anything she does in a foreign country is next to nil, so she decides to live out some of the fantasies that she swears to friends, family, and suitors (read: Providers) she would never engage in, and she has a threesome with the two men.
When she gets home, she talks about how beautiful Italy was, but she never tells ANYONE (except maybe a reliable best friend who will keep her secret) that she engaged in an orgy with two sexy Italian men while she was away, so her friends and family back home still assume she's a "good girl" and not a slut/whore.
The fact of the matter is, all of these girls make these choices individually, so a "society" isn't quite right word to describe it. Each one has individual ideals and beliefs that they would be willing to break in a heartbeat in the right situation if it's actually something they are curious about or desire. Girls always "suspect" that other girls engage in these activities, but unless those girls are close friends (or were somehow actually involved in these activities with them), then they don't really know for sure. But it's an unspoken rule, so girls will rarely question each other about these things unless the girls are having a fierce verbal argument where their reputation(s) are at stake, and they are working valiantly to defend them.
I hope this clears things up a bit!
- Franco
To be honest, I've never really liked the term "secret society" because it doesn't really depict an accurate statement of the meaning that is trying to be conveyed. When I think of a "secret society," I think of a bunch of people who all band together with this same knowledge and work together to decide who gets to enter it and who does not. That's not how it works.
Instead, think of the "secret society" as more of an "unspoken rule" of the fact that women are willing to do the very things that they communicate they will NEVER do with the RIGHT men. For example, maybe a woman talks about how she would never participate in a gangbang with multiple guys so that she can convey that she is a "good girl" and not a "whore" or a "slut," because she believes these labels/reputations will prevent her from securing a high value mating partner.
HOWEVER, this woman then goes on vacation to Italy for a weekend and meets two very sexy Italian men who are very clear that they want sex from her. She knows the chance of anyone "relevant" finding out about anything she does in a foreign country is next to nil, so she decides to live out some of the fantasies that she swears to friends, family, and suitors (read: Providers) she would never engage in, and she has a threesome with the two men.
When she gets home, she talks about how beautiful Italy was, but she never tells ANYONE (except maybe a reliable best friend who will keep her secret) that she engaged in an orgy with two sexy Italian men while she was away, so her friends and family back home still assume she's a "good girl" and not a slut/whore.
The fact of the matter is, all of these girls make these choices individually, so a "society" isn't quite right word to describe it. Each one has individual ideals and beliefs that they would be willing to break in a heartbeat in the right situation if it's actually something they are curious about or desire. Girls always "suspect" that other girls engage in these activities, but unless those girls are close friends (or were somehow actually involved in these activities with them), then they don't really know for sure. But it's an unspoken rule, so girls will rarely question each other about these things unless the girls are having a fierce verbal argument where their reputation(s) are at stake, and they are working valiantly to defend them.
I hope this clears things up a bit!
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I thought this was a fun topic. Wrote an article on it:
Is There Something About Girls You Just Don’t Get?
Although I'll say now, having read Will's follow-up posts, his question seems to be more this: "Is EVERY woman a member of this 'secret society'? Even the virgins?"
Nope. A woman isn't in it until she realizes she needs to start being careful what she lets on about her past and lifestyle with men. Typically around the 2 or 3 partner mark in my experience.
Chase
Is There Something About Girls You Just Don’t Get?
Although I'll say now, having read Will's follow-up posts, his question seems to be more this: "Is EVERY woman a member of this 'secret society'? Even the virgins?"
Nope. A woman isn't in it until she realizes she needs to start being careful what she lets on about her past and lifestyle with men. Typically around the 2 or 3 partner mark in my experience.
Chase
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Chase, and everyone,
Thank you.
IT explains everything. I felt something when a girl friend of mine noted this many years back. She was cautious and never really talk about anything much. She was the joking type with many friends and me. It seems natural that she is a normal girl but i was one where she was frank about certain things seldomly. I never really understand it. But thank you.
Zac
Chase said:
Thank you.
IT explains everything. I felt something when a girl friend of mine noted this many years back. She was cautious and never really talk about anything much. She was the joking type with many friends and me. It seems natural that she is a normal girl but i was one where she was frank about certain things seldomly. I never really understand it. But thank you.
Zac
Well that was quick, thanks for the article Chase, and for your comments Franco. I think I understand the idea better, although you guys mostly seem to agree with me that it's not that useful or logical a term.
Perhaps next we can argue about the paleo diet and why most authors here seem to be afraid of carbs.
Perhaps next we can argue about the paleo diet and why most authors here seem to be afraid of carbs.
Also, it wasn't just virgins I was asking about, I was just using that as an example. It's becuase originally I thought the secret society referred to just being at a higher level of social calibration, and though I can see that might be tangentially true, from what everyone's said it seems much closer to understanding reputation management for women.
Perhaps next we can argue about the paleo diet and why most authors here seem to be afraid of carbs.
>>>> I'm quite interested, post some info under new topic. My current believe is that carbohydrates should be around 20-30% of daily calories, I'm of course talking about healthy carbos, no sweets. Proteins and healthy fats approximately equal. The percentage should be adjusted depending on physical activity, e.g. Weight lifter needs more carbos than person who doesn't exercise at all.
>>>> I'm quite interested, post some info under new topic. My current believe is that carbohydrates should be around 20-30% of daily calories, I'm of course talking about healthy carbos, no sweets. Proteins and healthy fats approximately equal. The percentage should be adjusted depending on physical activity, e.g. Weight lifter needs more carbos than person who doesn't exercise at all.
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I think another relevant factor here is a woman having a provider and a lover simultaneously, to meet her diverse neexs, or perhaps several lovers, according to what we learn on GC this is likely, or even necessary... but we do not really know how often it occurs. If we did, we might not be comfortable with the answer... similarly guys leading polygamous lifestyles (when it's not officially condoned, as it is in certain Muslim or Christian sects), all this qualifies as secret society membership / behaviour. So does fast intimact, if you have never experienced fast meet-to-sex you wouldn't believe it exists, let alone that all women need / desire this and that attraction dies / windows close within literally minutes of meeting you in some circumstances. It's still really weird for me to get my head around, even as an intermediate seducer, my "default" is still to fall back to the "nice guy / take her on 5 dates" paradigm whenever I'm even slightly unsure, and then to puzzle over the reasons that it didn't work, for days, until it clicks (what was the window), that's why I am not really a secret society member yet.
Ray
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Drck, I was only half-serious, this really isn't the place for an in-depth discussion on nutrition with people posting up various pubmed research articles on why X is good and Y will rot your brain and make your dick fall off. But maybe I'll post up some of my views of nutrition just to provide an alternative for people struggling on low-carb (I did paleo for a few months, lost weight (that I didn't need/want to lose), had no energy and constant mental fatigue - would always cheat with honey, if your body craves something, there's probably a reason...).
Back to the topic at hand. Thank you for that post Radeng, although I agree with you that it is partly delusional. Although I disagree about believing in it 100% not holding you back. It definitely won't hold you back from one night stands and meeting girls in nightclubs - but if you want anything beyond that those cynical beliefs could become quite self-sabotaging. And this stuff about having to have positive emotions 100% of the time is just too much for me.
Back to the topic at hand. Thank you for that post Radeng, although I agree with you that it is partly delusional. Although I disagree about believing in it 100% not holding you back. It definitely won't hold you back from one night stands and meeting girls in nightclubs - but if you want anything beyond that those cynical beliefs could become quite self-sabotaging. And this stuff about having to have positive emotions 100% of the time is just too much for me.
Radeng, you and I are not really disagreeing. I like the middle path same as you, I don't see that it's necessary to choose one or another.
I don't have many posts here so you won't have seen much. I think most of you are assuming that because I'm fairly new and don't like the term secret society, that I'm a beginner. According to this site's diagnostics, I am a technician, which suggests I have a bit of experience and maybe know a thing or two.
I don't have many posts here so you won't have seen much. I think most of you are assuming that because I'm fairly new and don't like the term secret society, that I'm a beginner. According to this site's diagnostics, I am a technician, which suggests I have a bit of experience and maybe know a thing or two.
