Secrets of life. Denial

[trashKENNUT]

Everything is just a front.

The biggest secret to life is that you should never admit even if it is something obvious when third parties/common people tries to be 'nice'. It's a mindfuck/trivialising/submission thing that employs by everyone, including religious people, family members. Creating a false sense/perception of reality. So much for news to note people take religion seriously. Pretty laughable. Hilarious.

I didn't know it works so well. (Chase noted this before. Pretty subtle. Highly dangerous)

But never use this on people who offer much value/love you for who you are..... to you. You always make mistakes with them because the environment influences you.... and you try to make it up to them.
You always hurt someone along the way.

Zac

 

[Throwaway01]

Not really, the whole bigger fish should eat the smaller one mentality was what lead the Nazis to
commit many attrocities during WW2. (Not implying all Allied forces were angels in this case though)

There's a difference between being nice to people and being a suck-up and this difference is really seen
in times when our choices can become the decisive factor in saving or leaving someone behind to save yourself.

Now a seemingly nice person you know in your neighborhood could be a serial killer or someone who goes out of his/her way
to help people in need and in any case it really doesn't matter if that person is percieved to be nice or not, what matters is
when shit goes down whether that person will be there for others or not.
The whole acting like an asshole to get girls or making sure you know more about her than she knows about you is bullshit,
there are alot more important matters in the world than just women, if you're living the life you think you ought to live
women may be there, if not big deal.

 

[trashKENNUT]

TA1,

The whole acting like an asshole to get girls or making sure you know more about her than she knows about you is bullshit,
there are alot more important matters in the world than just women, if you're living the life you think you ought to live
women may be there, if not big deal.

You are correct. At the end of the day, Result. Who is going to be there and show up.

but you noted that the whole acting like an asshole is bullshit, but it is not exactly so. Women make men angry to see if he cares. Men who understands this is like NLP. Women are mindfucking men just as men do the same.

I think it is not about whether it is bullshit. Because we are already doing it. Try think how some women eat up and enjoy that they being treated like shit. It's mind boggling but i still need more research on this.

Importantly, Women think unlike you. They do not think like men. It's a "value" system. That value is influenced mostly by early childhood experience for most people.

Any

 

[Edd--19]

Zac,

I don't really follow what you're trying to say... Are you saying that everyone is saying something as a way of manipulating people into their views? Or are you trying to make a point that people will use subtle tactics to make them seem more valuable/gain the upper hand over you?

Everything is just a front.

The biggest secret to life is that you should never admit even if it is something obvious when third parties/common people tries to be 'nice'. It's a mindfuck/trivialising/submission thing that employs by everyone, including religious people, family members. Creating a false sense/perception of reality. So much for news to note people take religion seriously. Pretty laughable. Hilarious.

I didn't know it works so well. (Chase noted this before. Pretty subtle. Highly dangerous)

But never use this on people who offer much value/love you for who you are..... to you. You always make mistakes with them because the environment influences you.... and you try to make it up to them.
You always hurt someone along the way.

Zac

This entire part doesn't make any sense to me. It maybe my ignorance. What am I/They/You admitting?

 

[Throwaway01]

but you noted that the whole acting like an asshole is bullshit, but it is not exactly so. Women make men angry to see if he cares. Men who understands this is like NLP. Women are mindfucking men just as men do the same.

That kinda depends

As a Psychology student, after talking to numerous accomplished psychologists I have to say that NLP is
totally disregarded in the Psychology community. Although Richard Bandler and John Grinde
(creators of the Neuro-linguistic programming) have been trying to push this all these years, the theory
still is discredited since scientific reviews showed it had numerous errors and failed to produce the results
asserted by its creators. Thus they tried to sell it to the pick-up community by having it publicized by
Ross Jeffries and Neill Strauss.

I think it is not about whether it is bullshit. Because we are already doing it. Try think how some women eat up and enjoy that they being treated like shit. It's mind boggling but i still need more research on this.
Importantly, Women think unlike you. They do not think like men. It's a "value" system. That value is influenced mostly by early childhood experience for most people.

Well there are many views and theories in psychology and if you think, women do indeed enjoy being treated like shit, I'd suggest you to research this and tell us more about your findings

But I personally don't think they would like "being treated like shit" and it should be something that should be observed in a case-by-case basis. (As in, you may see a child being scolded by a parent and thus may assume he's being treated like shit whereas he may be treated that way maybe because the parent did his best to make sure the child had a great day and the child began acting in a condescending way to lesser privileged person, thus the parent decided to scold the child.)

Also in terms of actually being treated like shit; as in cases of domestic violence and rape, it is not exactly human nature where women wish or desire to be in such situations but cannot voice their opinions and are become very hurt. Which later becomes worse for everyone.

I would also debate the veracity of value system, I don't think you should try to act like "a king" or someone women should want by acting dominant or whatever. Since most girls have very different definitions of the person they would like to be with and that's really why you see women with guys some people wouldn't personally approve of their togetherness. (Remember the Elliot Rodger videos?)

 

[trashKENNUT]

Edd-19,

I don't really follow what you're trying to say... Are you saying that everyone is saying something as a way of manipulating people into their views? Or are you trying to make a point that people will use subtle tactics to make them seem more valuable/gain the upper hand over you?

I think it's more of why i write the article. Apologies if this post sounds and looks negative but it's more why i note this is because of a lot of things i learn growing up weren't exactly what people adhere or do. People actually tell me they do this and do that but then they do not. I was always very adamant about keeping my word but because of my environment and my natural human tendency to be hypocrite, i am finally awaken to know that what people say isn't actually they do, and this spreads across all things. However, when you think like this, the problem is you tend to mistrust people and that's bad, because you can't hangout with "normal" people. You tend to be on the edge over everything, and that's not healthy either.

So let's go to your question

I actually discuss with Chase recently on a guy he knew that actually is hypersensitive to 'one up' and he will respond to every 'one up' being done to him.

My answer is it is not that everyone is manipulating you in a conscious way, but not everyone is going to be honest on everything. Given an example, you might go to an RSD freetour but you not gonna tell outright to Owen Cook that you download his video on the internet without paying. You might pay for his bootcamp to at least keep your head in check and not be so 'selfish' if that make sense.

Why do people do this can be many reasons. Mostly, it is getting what they want. Most of this are autopilot. And this can also lead to trivialising, submission.

Everyone do things unconsciously. but as i progress more, every answers is true.

IF Zac 'one up' some guy here on Girlschase, it is true, and you can sort the reasons. IF Zac is helping someone out, it is true too, and you can eventually sort out reasons too. Important sidenote: Where is the person coming from is also a great tool to learn why people do things.

As i progress more, everything seems like two sides of the same coin. Highly true. The problems you face consistently often in the world are pretty much a reflection of you. You may hate PUAs but you are the other side of the PUA, (the other side of the coin). You wish you were him and also not forgetting, the psychology and mindmap of attachment and focus.

Something i won't go further because it will melt people's brains.

Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

TA1,

That kinda depends

As a Psychology student, after talking to numerous accomplished psychologists I have to say that NLP is
totally disregarded in the Psychology community. Although Richard Bandler and John Grinde
(creators of the Neuro-linguistic programming) have been trying to push this all these years, the theory
still is discredited since scientific reviews showed it had numerous errors and failed to produce the results
asserted by its creators. Thus they tried to sell it to the pick-up community by having it publicized by
Ross Jeffries and Neill Strauss.

Since i do not have a psychology background, my advice can be obscure, but let me say this.

Sure. Total disregard in the psychology community but NLP objective is to achieve an end result, whether it's getting over fear of snake or whatever. NLP is always noted as patterns but really it is always about an objective. Psychology is mostly about how things work. Let's say we put it this way. This is what i know.

You noted that acting like an asshole is bullshit. But it does work. In the background, she is responding to this because of her experiences. NLP in this context means to feed on, who she is (which is not exactly who she is, because recently i studied and learn that all humans start at 0.). Psychology in this context means how things work. Naturals understand how things work. Women who are experienced understand how things work.

If you know how to dance salsa, if i am not mistaken, you can lead women and she will follow. (I will not go far on male female dynamics, it's just too deep and most people will think it's intense. It's more going to masculinity femininity area.)

Well there are many views and theories in psychology and if you think, women do indeed enjoy being treated like shit, I'd suggest you to research this and tell us more about your findings

But I personally don't think they would like "being treated like shit" and it should be something that should be observed in a case-by-case basis. (As in, you may see a child being scolded by a parent and thus may assume he's being treated like shit whereas he may be treated that way maybe because the parent did his best to make sure the child had a great day and the child began acting in a condescending way to lesser privileged person, thus the parent decided to scold the child.)

Also in terms of actually being treated like shit; as in cases of domestic violence and rape, it is not exactly human nature where women wish or desire to be in such situations but cannot voice their opinions and are become very hurt. Which later becomes worse for everyone.

I would also debate the veracity of value system, I don't think you should try to act like "a king" or someone women should want by acting dominant or whatever. Since most girls have very different definitions of the person they would like to be with and that's really why you see women with guys some people wouldn't personally approve of their togetherness. (Remember the Elliot Rodger videos?)

Definitely, research and experience do help.

You noted the veracity/accuracy of value system. This is the most hardest thing a PUA/guys who are good with girls.....can ever explain. Because belief system has no accuracy. You simply decide what it is you want and you focus on it. For most people, this is highly influence by biology, then experience, then the people around them.

Most of society illegally download things but they do not think about it. It is what is beneficial to you. And for most people, travelling and having no social repercussions means people will go for biological needs. At home country, if as a guy, you manage to work around her objections (which is basically her experience of sex being wrong) and work around her friends (people around her who wants sex, which is basically number 1, biology. Same thing as you. Getting what they want. Territorial nature), then the chances of you winning (getting sex) is higher.

Chase noted this. and i would not like to involve him in this but he noted that he knew people that give married wifes sex only because the husband can't satisfy her sexual and emotional needs.

Most guys STILL THINK at face value. and Chase also noted this with his recent article on "understanding girls yet their process breaks down" and women catch on it and they fail.

I can tell you so many times i have women with children, holding their daughter, checking me out. Some of them with their boyfriend, openly checking me out, smiling. Some of those are friends, and we are no longer friends (as far as i know of because innately she knows and i know). And i have known girls who have boyfriends, willing to cheat at moments notice which i never go all the way. I also haven't add that most girls never mention their boyfriends to me.

I can never judge anything at face value. It is just so different to me this days. Even if it's absurdly "wrong", i just do not feel such emotions. because people don't know how things work.

p.s: i went sidetrack. Do note if you want some answers.

Zac

 

[Edd--19]

Thank you for clearing up my confusion. It was an insightful response.

People doing one thing and saying another is a common practice. Those who live by the ethos are less upset when others do it to them, on the flip side, when those who don't live by that ethos meet these people they get very frustrated.

I used to be a mix. I expected people to live by their word but was a hypocrite when it came to my word. Worse situation but it's changeable. The thing is, I believe, that many people are scared to be open and completely honest. It is detrimental to our survival if we put out and get nothing in return, so people will masquerade behind one thing, do another and not feel bad because they haven't lost anything and everybody else does it. However, these people don't gain anything either.

Take, for example, someone who wants to get to know you, access your value without giving anything. He gains a lot if you say yes, but what do you get? Zip. So either you make him invest in you as well as (which I don't think most guys know how to do consciously these days) or you say one thing and act differently when the time comes. It comes down to which is easier. The latter is easier, requires next to 0 social experience, but leaves people disappointed. The former requires more effort and social calibration, but when executed correctly can look effortless and both of you benefit. It also requires experience.

I did think it was negative at first, but that's because I didn't understand your point. It reads more objectively which, to me, has helped me understand your stance better. Thanks for the clarification!