She rejected you? Thank god

[dingdong]

Yes this is a butthurt post because a girl rejected me. No, but consider this.
One time i strongly believed EVERYTHING happened for a reason. I still know it's true in my guts to this day, but i find it harder to believe in it, even though i know it's a true philosophy. This is about girls who reject you harshly. Bless the women who are sweet girls and wish you good luck, but they are not interested/unavailable. To me it seems most of the sweet girls are already taken, which makes life on the road extra tough if you're a bitch who can't handle bitches who reject you harshly.

Yesterday i was on my way in the car to a date and i saw a stunner. I turn my car and park in a parking lot and set after her. It almost felt like a moment of fate (i sometimes get those before an approach). Her response? "YOU ALREADY SAID HI TO ME BEFORE BYEEEE!!!" and then stampede off and i felt like shit for a few seconds but i'm so desensitised these days that it didn't affect me that much beyond a few minutes. I just do some breathing exercises realize that she's just a bad person and that it isn't my fault i was just at the wrong place at the wrong time and then i'm calm.

I started typing this post yesterday but stopped above and i am continuing today here. Guess what happened today? I was working out (the place i work out is located perfectly with a view of the passersbys on the river path, lots of girls pass through going for walks here and during a workout session i approach 2-8 girls). Now i recently almost ceased approaching 2-sets but there was this pair where i was like fuck it let's see what happens, no limiting beliefs. The result?

The girl on my left (target) starts screaming at me. "YOU NEED TO STOP DOING THAT" "STOP FOLLOWING US" "I'M GONNA CALL THE POLICE" and i just said "... I haven't even said anything yet" and remained relatively calm but i could still feel the adrenaline and she says "STOP DOING THAT OR I CALL THE POLICE" and i say "...Ok" and then i just walk back from where i came and she keeps screaming after me "YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL" and shit like bruh. Really made me think. I just went back and did some big thinkery while doing my pullups and calmed myself down. I thought "damn.. how can this be? The girl i approached before her said she was unavailable but that she had huge respect for my balls to approach her like that and now a girl is screaming that she's gonna call the police? Wtf"

And my conclusion is this: All girls are NOT the same. In some situations it helps to think all girls are the same (ala all girls like sex, all girls like being submissive etc) but in this case i don't believe it is true. Some girls are just bitches man. And thank the lord that she rejects you. Woe to the guy who is either currently dealing with her mental issues or will in the future. Some girls are just high drama and high stress and you're better off without them.

Idk having harsh rejections like that in a row just made me reflect a bit. It can really fuck with your self-esteem if you don't have tight emotional and state control, which alot of beginners don't have and which i developed on my journey on my game. But keep in mind it is NOT your fault. Just move on to the next one.

 

[dingdong]

Side-note
After that episode today i went on to number close 3 other girls. They all hooked instantly and the one who is the hardest into me is a 9/10 right now. Life goes on, don't let tiny people control your mood.

 

[Starboy]

Well I think what happened was the girls you who gave you such harsh reactions you had already approached,but don't remember because you approach a lot of girls so you're not going to recognize their faces. They feel annoyed and pestered by being approached multiple times by the same dude so they did their best to discourage you from doing so by calling you out in such a manner.

I assume you live in a Florida town/city right? Those are smaller cities so if you have approached a lot of girls in a neighborhood already then it's possible the area is saturated enough that you run into the same women that you've already approached,but don't recognize. I wouldn't recognize the women i've approached by their face alone if a lot of time passes by.

I don't think those women were bad persay,but thinking from their perspective if you're a girl who keeps getting approached by the same guy over and over they probably feel stalked,threatened, or unsafe. You're a tall dude too so maybe they feel more intimidated.

Obviously you don't have any bad intentions you just wanna say hi and have a chat,but just be mindful that you may run into the same girls again. Just try to switch up your locations every now and then so you don't worry about running into the same girls.

Even then you still didn't let that shake you. Still got some numbers that day kudos.

 

[Yaxir]

It can really fuck with your self-esteem if you don't have tight emotional and state control, which alot of beginners don't have and which i developed on my journey on my game. But keep in mind it is NOT your fault. Just move on to the next one.

Yeah .. so now you have had a glimpse of a very dark area in seduction/game

Now imagine if every girl did this to you i.e threaten to call the police or raise alarms (shout) to get you beat by other males in your vicinity etc

you would have a very bad social programming, the conditioning of your brain would be so much worse and you would think a million times before even opening any girl, just out of fear for your own reputation and physical safety

that's what i feel every time i think about approaching girls

you can call it the 'dark underbelly' of approaching women or whatever ..

but this is exactly how it's like in most conservative countries

thanks for your post and i now realize, that apart from the Approach Anxiety that a beginner like me has, there is a chance that i don't have very good ( or tight ) emotional and state control.

Part of that is due to the shitty social programming that the society, culture and religion and has done on me and which i have to work to undo and throw out from my brain forever

just recently, i was warned by close relatives ( who i know love me very much and want the very best for me ) that i should NOT engage any female in Istanbul at all since every girl in Turkey, more or less has a boyfriend around and if you tried to socialize with her too closely, you well get shoved by her boyfriend or even worse ( physically beaten ) and if it's not her boyfriend then it will be her male relatives coming after you to beat you up

Just imagine what this did to my state of mind, which already fears approaching women due to the reasons i told you above

However, i am thankful to Train, Fog and Lofty for talking some sense into me in the chat yesterday and telling me not to listen to that,

instead i decided that i should first work on my fundamentals and then slowly, when things improve in Turkey regarding covid, go out as a tourist and try to do some basic stuff in the field ( in the right places of course, not in the conservative or shady areas etc )

I know Turkey is not as conservative as Pakistan, since it is a secular state but religion still has a strongish influence there and i have to be careful when i first go out and try talking to people. I will probably try to engage everyone ( men, women ) and ask for normal things that a tourist would

the essence of posting this is, it can be a really scary experience for some people when they first start game/seduction or when they're from a conservative background

and you experienced a brief flash of the reason as to why they're scared

thought i'd share my take and relate to you

stay safe, my friend @Phoenix

 

[dingdong]

I don't think those women were bad persay,but thinking from their perspective if you're a girl who keeps getting approached by the same guy over and over they probably feel stalked,threatened, or unsafe. You're a tall dude too so maybe they feel more intimidated.

Disagreed. An emotionally healthy woman would laugh it off and say "You already told me that and i still have a boyfriend!". A crazy girl is looking for opportunities to lash out at other people. I do recognize some girls but sometimes from behind i can't always tell. Besides, i'm not gonna stop gaming because i might run into the same girls. I'm actually surprised that i don't run into them more often. Thousands of young girls come and go every year. My post was meant like, when a girl gives you a harsh rejection, do a sigh of relief that you aren't gonna deal with her and be grateful that you grow emotionally tougher everytime you pass that test and push through.

This girl i maybe approached once before or i approached before. Some girl won't even let me finish when i approach and just have a dumb look on their face and keep walking so ofc they are gonna think i'm weird if they don't stay and listen out, but there's problem. Dumb women DON'T enter your reality. Don't even consider them! Don't let their opinion or reactions affect you one way or another.

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And to you @Yaxir, yes, that's why i tend to steer clear of girls from certain... cultures. Simply can't be bothered. I don't think it's worth it. More cost than benefit, but that's up to you to decide.

 

[Yaxir]

And to you @Yaxir, yes, that's why i tend to steer clear of girls from certain... cultures. Simply can't be bothered. I don't think it's worth it. More cost than benefit, but that's up to you to decide.

oh for sure, it's always better to avoid those who have conflicted mindsets ( are thirsty for sexual contact YET don't want to come across as sluts ), you should steer clear from them at all cost

in fact, i am sure beginners like me would appreciate if you can make a post about which types/cultures of girls to avoid, especially when starting out

it could be useful in avoiding unnecessary trouble

cheers mate

 

[Skills]

You should not be getting such hard rejections specifically in a non club environment, you are failing at your ability to read fuck off get away from me body language...and you need to improve your ability to Hoover and or force reactions

 

[DarkKnight]

@Starboy I do not agree with you. I have no idea what specifically happened to Phoenix, but there are simply girls out there who make it nasty. Either due to unstableness, or because they are strongly worried about slut shaming/social frame. Phoenix is also right about what he wrote about beginners who can really become a wreck because those chicks go off crazy like that because they are not used to normal girls yet.

Hell I have had girls acting stuck up and ugly at first, because this is how shitty they are, but due to a bit more exposure they suddenly regret their actions. Their reaction is NOT always about you.

 

[Yaxir]

You should not be getting such hard rejections specifically in a non club environment

wait .. nightclubs have rejections like these ?!

care to explain more ?

 

[Skills]

wait .. nightclubs have rejections like these ?!

care to explain more ?

Yes, it does happen in night clubs, some women are in pain from the high heels in bitchy moods, bad alcohol/drug trips, gotten approach by guys with not social skills that have creeped them out (some don't leave them alone or get hints), etc... so you may approach in a situation were she is in a fucked up state....

also there are girls that give you false dtf approach invites to make boyfriend/date/prospect jealous and then went the guys fall for it they reject him to show of to the prospect/bf etc... many different situations, but it happens a lot drinks thrown at you, slaps, pushed (you get pushed a lot)...

^ this is very rare though, and unlikely to happen as you get better at social dynamics... but it happens...

it even happens with women that were minutes early into you lol (this one is weird will shock your reality when it happens)

 

[dingdong]

You should not be getting such hard rejections specifically in a non club environment, you are failing at your ability to read fuck off get away from me body language...and you need to improve your ability to Hoover and or force reactions

I ran up to do a front stop and then she started yelling, i did nothing wrong in this case.

 

[dingdong]

Sometimes a girl has fuck off body language or is in a bad mood and then you approach her and she becomes happy. And then there are lunatics who doubles down and because they have mental faculties of a newborn that was dropped on the floor they scream at you.

Point of post is to show the beginners that you cannot control how girls react to you, you can only control how you act and react yourself. And that tiny minority of girls are gonna give you psycho rejections and that's just part of the game and you have to push through.

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

Oh wow here is a very good time for me to chime in.

I had this happen at a specific point in time. Essential short hand story was there was a point in time about seven years ago when I was approaching in a mall.

Hooked the girl I was talking to, when a feminist *[Wasnt a part of the interaction] then started to freak out at me and started chewing me out. For approaching chicks.
Hindsight it was a huge what in the fuck is going on type of moment but at that time it was the feminist rape hysteria, *[same hysteria as the black hysteria/covid hysteria]

I at that point sort of let it affect me, but a month later I was back to approaching in that mall. Where it then made some further rules etc....Then no more.

And my conclusion is this: All girls are NOT the same. In some situations it helps to think all girls are the same (ala all girls like sex, all girls like being submissive etc) but in this case i don't believe it is true. Some girls are just bitches man. And thank the lord that she rejects you. Woe to the guy who is either currently dealing with her mental issues or will in the future. Some girls are just high drama and high stress and you're better off without them.

Yeah I’m nearly stress free in my world at the moment. I’ve lost whatever was stressing me out earlier in life and have chilled out a lot recently.

While I’ve not been too conflicted I’ve noticed atleast in the world of PUA that these sort of women are growing larger and larger. There is now an equivalence of angry women to the incel movement. Or if not angry women very poorly calibrated women, I’ve ran into this issue twice in the last while. Once getting stood up for a date and another time with a snooty bitch attitude towards me *[I wrote about both experiences on the forum somewhere]

I’ve not been finding too many good women lately but my area for the first time has done a covid lockdown so it’s only patio drinking and private parties. I might go sit around for beers outside and do some reading and schoolwork instead of picking up chicks but I can never tell.

good job btw on the pickups,

MuST0

 

[Dr.X]

Is it a bad idea to focus on the worst nights?

Usually I found myself very emotional and remembered on the best and the worst nights. But these nights are useless to dwell upon because it’s 100% luck.

The biggest opportunity for improvement is the pretty good or bad (but not best / worst) nights.

 

[Will_V]

I have ran into girls a couple of times that I tried to game before, one was fine (just a bit testy but we ended up having a good talk) but the other one was not fun. I was going well with this girl and her friend turned up who had already rejected my approach at some point and the friend started giving me a bit of crap. But nothing crazy, just bitchy and insulting. I didn't really know what to do, said something lame and they both stalked off. It did take a few hours to shake off, but I reflected on it for a while and learned a few things from it.

I think we all need to keep in mind that what we do does not actually adhere to social conventions. Like I've said before, guys don't realize how easily a woman can panic and get overwhelmed by a big strong dude walking up and getting in her space, women are psychologically weaker and more submissive and do not like to challenge a man's authority at all.

It's up to us to learn how to do things in as smooth and comfortable a manner as possible, which is not easy and not as simple as 'not being aggressive'. When a dude does a bad approach and a woman walks around him like he's a pothole and quickens her stride and ignores him, she never ends up knowing what he was about and probably entertains the worst kind of notions. The same way that you can get women into a state of arousal by doing the right things, you can quickly get her into thinking the worst types of things when it goes bad. That comes with the territory of being the psychologically dominant side of the equation.

This is where I think doing the most you can to elicit IOIs and hook nonverbally from a distance is key. If you don't have that, you have to have things down tight and be very cool, very nimble and immediately call out any discomfort and display good social calibration or she can be like 'where TF did all this come from, I'm just doing my thing and he's come out of nowhere'.

I don't want to downplay the value of just getting out there and doing your thing when practicing as a beginner, but for me personally, the goal has always been to learn how to do things effortlessly smoothly, in a way that a third party watching would not even necessarily know what I was doing but would simply think 'that guy is cool, did they just meet or did she know him already?' or something like that. And until I'm at that point, I am aware that I will get negative reactions and kneejerk rejections, but I know why they happen and I can deal with that because I have my target.

And of course, when you're out and about you'll meet all sorts of girls, some crazy and psycho. Obviously screaming at you is an overreaction, but I think it's worth considering whether it's an overreaction based on an actual negative experience that you could do something about. At least for me, defaulting to the idea that I have done something wrong, and that I failed to empathize or manage the interaction in some way, not only gives me more of a sense of leadership and responsibility but also keeps me in the right headspace - one where I'm doing this to fulfill something that women want and need, where I'm always ready to learn something new about them, and where I warmly accept their role (and all the things that come with it) as the more reactive and psychologically weaker party to the interaction.