She says she has no time

[Voyta]

So I met this girl while we were shooting. We were having great, went out to grab a glass of wine afterwards, did some pretty cool art stuff and had an amazing evening. I really felt the connection, we were really close to each other and I believe we both truly enjoyed ourselves. We split at 12 PM, she shot me a message she had wonderful time after a while and we were joking around on messenger the same night. However I did not escalate our evening to a kiss since I was a pussy worried that it could effect our work, therefore I wanted to wait to a second date cause the shooting would have been over by then.
But now I wanted to schedule a second date, she said she had no time cause she works till late hours.
The day after that I was just passing by the mall she works in so I dropped in to say hello. She’s always so excited to see, this time she ran across the store and hugged me from behind with a baby smile on her face asking what am I doing here.
We were chatting for a while, then I asked her we should hang out this weekend, she said yeah we have to, but then added that she might have to work. In the evening, she wrote that she has to work and moving to a new flat. I offered a help in case of emergency, she thanked me and I followed with a message saying we should meet up next week. She said she will be cleaning the flat therefore she has no time with a smile. She’s acting weird and kind of hard to get (or she’s just not interest to make herself available) over text. I just replied I guess there’s nothing we can do with a smilie
Any thoughts on how to get her out? I appreciate you reading my article. Thanks guys in advance

 

[Noir]

Tbh, I would've been escalating within the first few hours of meeting up with her, and I think I'm slow sometimes.

Yeah, no offense, but everything you're doing right now just screams "friend zone" to me. I haven't seen anything here to suggest she's attracted to you sexually. You didn't do kino, no framing, etc.

IMO, this may sound harsh but I think the way you're pursuing her is a bit needy, and what I'm possibly seeing here is "oneitus" level neediness.

I'll let one of the other vet users correct me if I'm wrong, but my opinion is that you hit it off, she started digging you, but now that she sees your '"game," so to speak, she's about to have second thoughts.

The next time you see her, make solid plans with exact times, scale down the dates to something more intimate, and then start closing ASAP.

 

[razir110]

Every time you are with a girl you are sexually into, you should be escalating and framing it sexually. I'm not sure if you did this from your post.

Second, NEVER "leave it for later" as you did mate. If there is a chance of sex, do it, kiss, well you can go for that instead of sex. So this may be a friendzone case.

When she said she will be busy cleaning the flat.. that's not good. A good reply from you to that is "lets talk when we both have more time then" wait for a week, try again. If nothing then delete number, move on.

One of the main mistakes men commit is to wait. Seduction must be fast. You will never lose girls for moving too fast (if you do it's because she wasn't interested in first place) But you will ALWAYS lose girls by moving too slow.

My advice is cut the contact, text her in 1 week or so, if she is busy then move on.

Best

 

[Space]

razir110,

Every time you are with a girl you are sexually into, you should be escalating and framing it sexually. I'm not sure if you did this from your post.

Do you mean when you are alone with a girl, or in a more social setting? If I recall correctly, you've been also constantly trying to find good advice on sets.

It's a totally legitimate question of course. All those polished YouTube videos usually just show a single guy approaching a single girl. And that seems like the perfect marketing gimmick to me. Real life often doesn't play out like that.

Spoiler alert: don't search for the answer to approaching sets of girls during the day in Roosh's Day Bang. He clearly states he approaches solo girls only. When confronted with a set, he chickens out. That's some half-assed advice. Honestly, I've learned the most about sets by watching a YouTube video by this anti pick-up guy playing Super Seducer. Day Bang is an old book, so Roosh might have improved or changed. As every human being, he definitely must have improved or changed.

Second, NEVER "leave it for later" as you did mate. If there is a chance of sex, do it, kiss, well you can go for that instead of sex.

The expert advice from 60 Years of Challenge and our own Tony D as far as I understand is basically all of the above, expect for the public kiss. That leaves you with all the crazy kino, hand caressing, and cuddling. Cuddling? Girls do that. It happens. Just don't allow her to kiss you. It makes her (crazy) wanting more.

 

[razir110]

Space, I refer to being with her on a date, formal or not.

About the kiss, it's indeed a tough call. She may be left frustrated if you don't do it, but it can also give you a more solid sexual image in her eyes if you don't go for the kiss at the end of first date, unless you get her home. We've discussed this in the forum Anyhow, the sexual framing and escalation should always be present if you are hanging out with her, I am speaking according to my experience.

You only get benefits by moving forward towards your objective and lose a lot by slowing down and leaving things for later.

 

[Space]

About the kiss, it's indeed a tough call. She may be left frustrated if you don't do it, but it can also give you a more solid sexual image in her eyes if you don't go for the kiss at the end of first date, unless you get her home. We've discussed this in the forum

It's interesting. If you could dig up that discussion, it would be interesting to me to take a look at it. Thanks!