Short and shorter guys

[Mali]

Short seducer here.

Here is the simplest answer I can offer, based on experience, and it includes how to proceed.

First, I believe attraction can be boiled down to this rule: For the woman to be attracted to you, she has to think you are better than her.

Think of this as a first impression kind of thing.

The key is that there are MANY ways to show on that first impression that you are better than her. Height is only one way.

The answer, therefore, is to stop worrying about height, and to instead work on all the other possible ways you can come across to women you are better than them. It'll take some work, but that's the answer.

Think about it: What are some ways your first impression can say to a woman "I AM BETTER THAN YOU!" no matter how tall you are?

What are some ways your first impression can say to a woman "I AM BETTER THAN YOU!" no matter how tall you are?
^ I don’t like being “better” than others but I get what you mean. Well, maybe higher salary, position, overall more boldness and masculinity, but that all depends in which areas is she comparing you

When you say you are short, do you mean like 5’11” ? If you are 5’4” to 5’7”, have you noticed that women prefer to talk to taller guys than you, especially if they are the same height or taller than you. Or is it all just my impression…

I don’t worry about height, honestly it never bothered me. Just looking back at my experiences, I’m realizing particular pattern with taller guys

 

[Skills]

What are some ways your first impression can say to a woman "I AM BETTER THAN YOU!" no matter how tall you are?
^ I don’t like being “better” than others but I get what you mean. Well, maybe higher salary, position, overall more boldness and masculinity, but that all depends in which areas is she comparing you

When you say you are short, do you mean like 5’11” ? If you are 5’4” to 5’7”, have you noticed that women prefer to talk to taller guys than you, especially if they are the same height or taller than you. Or is it all just my impression…

I don’t worry about height, honestly it never bothered me. Just looking back at my experiences, I’m realizing particular pattern with taller guys

Hang out woth short dudes that get girls.... done

 

[Kaida]

When you say you are short, do you mean like 5’11” ? If you are 5’4” to 5’7”, have you noticed that women prefer to talk to taller guys than you, especially if they are the same height or taller than you. Or is it all just my impression…

The much more likely reason is that those guys are simply more charismatic / attractive in general, and that’s what makes girls prefer talking to them. You could be lacking some basic social skills that those guys have.

Since ur fixated on height right now, you’re going to think the only reason they don’t talk to you is because you’re short. Your fixation is blinding you from seeing the other factors.

 

[Skills]

The much more likely reason is that those guys are simply more charismatic / attractive in general, and that’s what makes girls prefer talking to them. You could be lacking some basic social skills that those guys have.

Since ur fixated on height right now, you’re going to think the only reason they don’t talk to you is because you’re short. Your fixation is blinding you from seeing the other factors.

^ yes op he is talking about ras learn about it...

 

[Mali]

^ yes op he is talking about ras learn about it...

Ras is interesting topic, and it’s true, good point.

I don’t like throwing studies, data or research around, but I know height is a factor. Is it the only factor? No. But it is a factor and likely more important that most want to admit. If you compare two men and everything else is the same or similar, women will simply go for taller men. About half of women have preferences of dating taller men. That simply implies that taller men are in higher demand and shorter men have to somehow compensate or overcompensate with personality, IQ, knowledge, communication and social skills, looks etc. In practical life, this means that shorter guys have to put much more effort into seduction than taller guys. The shorter the guy the less likely he will be selected by desirable woman, especially in USA where women are more independent and not needing providers. That’s a brutal truth.

Browse through these or you can easily Google similar:

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[ulrich]

Height is a factor, no one denies that.

The big thing is, did you come here to look for ways to turn your short stature irrelevant?
Or did you come to preach that we, the shorter ones, are forever at a disadvantage?

Because you are doing the second one.

 

[ElderPrice]

What are some ways your first impression can say to a woman "I AM BETTER THAN YOU!" no matter how tall you are?
^ I don’t like being “better” than others but I get what you mean. Well, maybe higher salary, position, overall more boldness and masculinity, but that all depends in which areas is she comparing you

When you say you are short, do you mean like 5’11” ? If you are 5’4” to 5’7”, have you noticed that women prefer to talk to taller guys than you, especially if they are the same height or taller than you. Or is it all just my impression…

I don’t worry about height, honestly it never bothered me. Just looking back at my experiences, I’m realizing particular pattern with taller guys

First point: Exactly! And yes you may not know which specific areas mean the most to her so it behooves you to work on everything. For instance, the areas you mentioned, or being more interesting than her, or having better social skills than her, or having a better social circle than hers.

I’m about 5’7. No. That’s the wrong way to think about it. Women don’t “prefer” to ignore you. You’re just not getting attention because nothing about you screams “he’s better than me.” It’s not the height, it’s everything else. You probably have a perfectly good, normal face. Good, normal clothes. Good, normal body language. Normal normal normal. What about you shows exceptional? Just like you always notice the #1 most attractive girl in the club, what about you stands out as the #1… something… in the club?

 

[Will_V]

What are some ways your first impression can say to a woman "I AM BETTER THAN YOU!" no matter how tall you are?
^ I don’t like being “better” than others but I get what you mean. Well, maybe higher salary, position, overall more boldness and masculinity, but that all depends in which areas is she comparing you

When you say you are short, do you mean like 5’11” ? If you are 5’4” to 5’7”, have you noticed that women prefer to talk to taller guys than you, especially if they are the same height or taller than you. Or is it all just my impression…

I don’t worry about height, honestly it never bothered me. Just looking back at my experiences, I’m realizing particular pattern with taller guys

Of course height is going to have an effect. Generally as I understand it women prefer men who are at least as tall as them. Women who are very tall have extremely limited options in that respect, so they may be more lax about it, but those who have plenty of options at least their height will bias toward that.

However the idea that this means you can't get girls at all is victim thinking. Expect to do well with girls your height and under (and half of girls are under 5'4) when everything is in check.

But if you feel negative and anxious about being short, and go in expecting to be blown out, and view yourself as having 'low value' based on your height, good luck getting any woman to be interested. A man's job is to be successful and win, and if a bit of height is all it takes to implode his self esteem and make him take himself out of the race, nature will certainly punish him for such weakness.

 

[Mali]

Height is a factor, no one denies that.

The big thing is, did you come here to look for ways to turn your short stature irrelevant?
Or did you come to preach that we, the shorter ones, are forever at a disadvantage?

Because you are doing the second one.

If you read my original post you may find an answer

 

[Mali]

First point: Exactly! And yes you may not know which specific areas mean the most to her so it behooves you to work on everything. For instance, the areas you mentioned, or being more interesting than her, or having better social skills than her, or having a better social circle than hers.

I’m about 5’7. No. That’s the wrong way to think about it. Women don’t “prefer” to ignore you. You’re just not getting attention because nothing about you screams “he’s better than me.” It’s not the height, it’s everything else. You probably have a perfectly good, normal face. Good, normal clothes. Good, normal body language. Normal normal normal. What about you shows exceptional? Just like you always notice the #1 most attractive girl in the club, what about you stands out as the #1… something… in the club?

Man, I don’t know where are you guys even coming from. You are full of assumptions, you make your ccnclusions based on nothing. You’ve never seen me and never talked to me, and frankly you are trying to teach me stuff here I was well familiar with 15-20 years ago. I don’t know where you guys (Not just you) came up to some conclusion that you are some amazing seducers and everybody out there is just a clueless beta male. There are tons of guys out here who are successful with women. If you ask today average guy, most are already familiar with game and seduction. Recently I talked to a guy who I would never even guess that he‘s familiar with this stuff, yet after 5 minutes of talking I realized he’s got pretty solid game. As a matter of fact, I don’t even know ANY guy today that never heard about game or seduction.

Just because you go to bars and clubs, or bang some chicks from tinder doesn’t mean you ate all wisdom

 

[Mali]

Of course height is going to have an effect. Generally as I understand it women prefer men who are at least as tall as them. Women who are very tall have extremely limited options in that respect, so they may be more lax about it, but those who have plenty of options at least their height will bias toward that.

However the idea that this means you can't get girls at all is victim thinking. Expect to do well with girls your height and under (and half of girls are under 5'4) when everything is in check.

But if you feel negative and anxious about being short, and go in expecting to be blown out, and view yourself as having 'low value' based on your height, good luck getting any woman to be interested. A man's job is to be successful and win, and if a bit of height is all it takes to implode his self esteem and make him take himself out of the race, nature will certainly punish him for such weakness.

Well, I can get 5-6-7. 8-9 are difficult. I’m not negative about it, I mentioned that it never bothered me, but I’m realizing that it is likely bigger factor than it seems. I can find many 5-6, even 7 But 8 and 9 on my scale are very rare. It‘s like a woman that is 6’3” and looking for a great guy that’s taller at least one inch. Once she finds him he might be already taken or not that interested because 98% of all women are also interested in him.

 

[Will_V]

Well, I can get 5-6-7. 8-9 are difficult. I’m not negative about it, I mentioned that it never bothered me, but I’m realizing that it is likely bigger factor than it seems. I can find many 5-6, even 7 But 8 and 9 on my scale are very rare. It‘s like a woman that is 6’3” and looking for a great guy that’s taller at least one inch. Once she finds him he might be already taken or not that interested because 98% of all women are also interested in him.

What's your point, that life is difficult? Any woman who's very beautiful is very hard to get. Or would you rather that she offered herself up for charity to you and everyone else?

You don't understand the first thing about game - frame control. And frame control starts with yourself. Your frame my friend is very very weak. I can sense your desire to find a reason for defeat. So can your enemies, within and without.

But not everyone is born to compete for the best, perhaps a 5-6 and a good excuse is enough for you. It's enough for 90% of people, so you are in numerous if not particularly good company.

 

[Mali]

What's your point, that life is difficult? Any woman who's very beautiful is very hard to get. Or would you rather that she offered herself up for charity to you and everyone else?

You don't understand the first thing about game - frame control. And frame control starts with yourself. Your frame my friend is very very weak. I can sense your desire to find a reason for defeat. So can your enemies, within and without.

But not everyone is born to compete for the best, perhaps a 5-6 and a good excuse is enough for you. It's enough for 90% of people, so you are in numerous if not particularly good company.

My point is, if you are 5’4” to 5’7” maybe about half of women population would consider you (but they still prefer taller guys). If you are 6 feet or taller, 95 percent of women will consider you. So shorter guys have to work on seduction much harder than taller guys. Some shorter guys work hard and they still can’t get results what are they looking for, so perhaps height is a big factor, bigger than it seems. If a shorter guy meets 8-9 women on his scale, he is at big disadvantage if taller guy is around, simply because she has many options and has preference for taller guys. Again, not every tall guy is a clueless dummy beta male with low testosterone, there are plenty great tall guys with good personality and in good shape. That’s not negativity, that’s a harsh reality for short guys.

 

[Will_V]

My point is, if you are 5’4” to 5’7” maybe about half of women population would consider you (but they still prefer taller guys). If you are 6 feet or taller, 95 percent of women will consider you. So shorter guys have to work on seduction much harder than taller guys. Some shorter guys work hard and they still can’t get results what are they looking for, so perhaps height is a big factor, bigger than it seems. If a shorter guy meets 8-9 women on his scale, he is at big disadvantage if taller guy is around, simply because she has many options and has preference for taller guys. Again, not every tall guy is a clueless dummy beta male with low testosterone, there are plenty great tall guys with good personality and in good shape. That’s not negativity, that’s a harsh reality for short guys.

And?

 

[Calibration]

Hey guys, what’s your experience as a short seducer? I think average height in USA is 5’9”. If you are anywhere between 5’4” to 5’7” ouch, that’s got to hurt. How do you compensate?

I’m in that range and even though I never let it bother me I’ve come to realize that it is a big disadvantage. I know for some of you who are 5’10” or taller it’s easy to say that it doesn’t matter and you have to be confident and charismatic, but it does matter. It sucks. When you see woman same height or taller just one inch than you who choses another guy that is close to 6 feet, you realize that it does suck, and it’s not always because of personality. I’ve watched some YouTube videos and as far as I can say it’s true, women simply go for taller guys, giving the first impression you as a shorty are in 80% disadvantage, and it’s quite difficult to overcompensate with personality or charisma.

Hey guys, what’s your experience as a short seducer? I think average height in USA is 5’9”. If you are anywhere between 5’4” to 5’7” ouch, that’s got to hurt. How do you compensate?

I’m in that range and even though I never let it bother me I’ve come to realize that it is a big disadvantage. I know for some of you who are 5’10” or taller it’s easy to say that it doesn’t matter and you have to be confident and charismatic, but it does matter. It sucks. When you see woman same height or taller just one inch than you who choses another guy that is close to 6 feet, you realize that it does suck, and it’s not always because of personality. I’ve watched some YouTube videos and as far as I can say it’s true, women simply go for taller guys, giving the first impression you as a shorty are in 80% disadvantage, and it’s quite difficult to overcompensate with personality or charisma.

Dude, you asked "how do you compensate?"
Everyone have given their ideas/answers, which you're not willing to accept. What are you expecting out of this debate?

Yes, height matters and short guys are at a disadvantage. So, what are you going to achieve by everyone agreeing with you?

Isn't your lack of clarity in what you want just in this question, a good reflection of your lack of understanding of yourself and the world/women?

 

[ulrich]

If you read my original post you may find an answer

And yet, all subsequent posts are preaching about the hardships of being short…

Seems like you’re more invested in being right than being successful.