Should I Delete My Instagram Account

[Troy]

Hi guys,

Note: If you don't want to read all this, here are my two questions to get to the point:

1) Should i delete my Instagram account if i am unpopular there? I get roughly 10 likes per photo, have 98 followers after 9 weeks of being active and follow 78 people.

2) Or should i continue with my same LOW STATUS PROFILE and continue to improve it? Should i work on becoming popular in real life and leave social media alone?

That's it. You don't have to read the details below if short on time. THANKS. Im considering deleting my account to avoid letting the world see that im struggling to get followers. I haven't been getting much replies to my posts, not to complain but this question is urgent. On with the details below....

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The Details

I had a conversation at school today with three guys who are hot on social media. The most popular for persons in my area now is Instagram. These guys i spoke to toldme that they get 500+ followers every week. I asked them how they do that and they told me it's all about presentation and partially status.

I get the feeling they lied to me though. I believe status rules on social media. I am on Instagram and i see low status people take fascinating photos and get barely any likes and new followers. And I've also seen HIGH STATUS people put up the most hideous photos and get over 300+ likes in 1 hour. I do believe that good photos help but status and being popular in real life is what i see gets your social media popular fast.

We talked until somehow my instagram profile became the hot topic. They told me that the photos i post on Instagram are " WEIRD ". I asked them what they meant by that and they told me that i don't look photogenic and my selfies look creepy or just "funny". Several girls have told me the same thing at school before too. So it really rubbed me the wrong way.

Currently i have 98 followers and im following 79 persons. Previously i was following 198 persons but i unfollowed most of them to not seen low status. It's easy to seem low status when you follow people and they don't follow back. I have been on instagram for 9 weeks now and still haven't gotten 100 followers. I have liked many persons photos and that helps a lot because people like back my photos.

The guys told me that the ONLY reason persons liked my photos is because i look weird and funny in photos. I get about 10 likes for every photo i put up. So persons have told me to delete my profile and start fresh. The reason why?

" The average person gets 500 followers in the first 2 weeks of opening a profile. And 9 weeks has passed on for my profile and im yet to reach 100. So these guys are telling me that will only make people ignore me."

Questions

1) So guys, what do you think i should do? Delete my profile and start fresh? OR

2) Continue building my ALREADY LOW STATUS PROFILE INTO SOMETHING BIG?

3) Should i leave social media popularity alone until i am popular in "real life"? Like maybe i should just get lots of cool friends and be known so that when i go back to social media i am a star.

I really value social media and I've always wanted to be apart of the popular culture like everyone else. I have a friend at school who is 18 ( same age as me ) and he is popular everywhere he goes. He is a natural. Social media gets himgirls like moths to a flame. Girls from all around my state contact him all because of his popularity. And he isn't even an athlete/muscian or celebrity of any kind. Just a regular guy who sleeps with lots of girls. He showed me photos with him fucking over 40 girls in our school alone. And my school population is 1800 persons. That's the kind of lifestyle i want to embody. Instead of walking all around town all day cold approaching girls and looking for "easy bait". So how can i become popular on social media? Social media combined with real life social status can lead to far more lays with less work so i would love to know how to unlock the positive sides to using social media.

Any comments and answers is well appreciated.

Troy

 

[Thedoctor]

Troy,

I recommend getting rid of social media altogether. No real good comes of any of it. It just encourages attention-seeking behaviour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGU8yjjJXD8
(I know there was an article on the main page that went with this video, but don't remember what it was called).

Your time can be better spent in the real world than trying to figure out how to gain more followers on Instagram.

-John

 

[Estate]

These things make me feel old. Nobody I know really uses social media. I've met girls in their early twenties obsessed with all these things so maybe it's a bigger deal for younger girls.

But in general. I don't see how it works into seduction. It has no value.
If you like doing it, whether you get 1 like or 100. What does it matter? Maybe I'm missing something.
If you're not getting likes then what are you posting? I'm guessing it's not interesting enough to get the number of likes you want.

But how does instagram relate to real life social value?

To prefer to keep social media completely out of my interactions with women. To be honest it can only lead to more problems. Be more anonymous. Makes it less easy for women to cyber stalk you to learn more, thus youre mysterious. And you certainly don't want the girl you saw last night, commenting on the photo you posted with the girl you're with tonight.

Shooting yourself in the foot.

If you like social media, just use it for yourself, for fun. And that's all.

 

[Ross]

Guys who are known for something of high esteem (their job, their looks, etc.) do well on any social media platform naturally.

Conversely, guys who try to build up value within the system don't have their skills transfer.

3) Should i leave social media popularity alone until i am popular in "real life"? Like maybe i should just get lots of cool friends and be known so that when i go back to social media i am a star.

Therefore, I'm tending towards this answer. Having social media value is real value. Helps in social circle situations ("oh, that's the hot guy from instagram!"), doesn't really help for cold approaching. An uncool guy with a booming Instagram is still an uncool guy. A cool guy with a Instagram is bound to have it boom.

 

[Estate]

Guys who are known for something of high esteem (their job, their looks, etc.) do well on any social media platform naturally.

Conversely, guys who try to build up value within the system don't have their skills transfer.

3) Should i leave social media popularity alone until i am popular in "real life"? Like maybe i should just get lots of cool friends and be known so that when i go back to social media i am a star.

Therefore, I'm tending towards this answer. Having social media value is real value. Helps in social circle situations ("oh, that's the hot guy from instagram!"), doesn't really help for cold approaching. An uncool guy with a booming Instagram is still an uncool guy. A cool guy with a Instagram is bound to have it boom.

That's sort of interesting Ross. Maybe I'm just too far removed from that world.
like how does someone be "instagram famous"? Like... to the point you are out somewhere and someone literally says Hey you're that guy? Like is that a real thing?

When I think of instagram I think of guys posting crappy selfie and liking hot girls which doesn't scream "value" to me... more "tryhard". Is there certain circles where this actually "works".

Just interested is all. Think it's a world I'm not really in.

 

[Troy]

Guys,

To further elaborate on my point , I think social media is great for getting known by hot girls all over town. That is something that cold approach cannot do all alone . I have a friend who I spoke about above, that sends me screenshots of girls messaging him on Instagram Messenger and giving him their numbers with no work on his part. He is a social circle pro. And because of his fame in social circle alone, girls and guys alike from other schools hear about him by word of mouth and that further ups his social value.

It's like preselection and social proof combined on steroids. I walk with him sometimes after school and basically every girl in a 100 kilometre radius knows something about him. Instagram is a big part of that results.

The aim of girls chase is to get women to chase you. Now getting chased like this is so effective and easy. Imagine girls spreading the word of this cool guy they met and those girls instantly messaging you to "talk".

How I see it is that nothing can beat this. 1000 girls can know of your existence in or say by social media. Cold approach? You would have to go walk up to 1000 women and most of them will reject you or me. PUA's say the average ratio of getting girls is 1 out of every 10 girls. Imagine being know online by those 10 girls and getting 5, 7, or even 10 of them interested in you. That is the life I want to live.

No more walking around down town and talking to every girl like a hungry lion chasing for food.

I know this site talks about cold approach being the best, and to a pointing agree. If someone's social circle ostracized them then the best bet would be to go cold approach in a big city where you're anonymous. That would be a good time to NOT HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA.


The BIG issue with most men reading this site ( people on a whole too ) is that they are held down in one part of the world either by their job, family, school etcetera. Not everyone can get and live a life travelling the world to approach girls.

Most people are stuck in a place where they are likely to see the same people over and over again. From what I have seen with guys going out and approaching girls like maniacs in a town is them getting labeled a creep for going out alone.


The Aim of Seduction for Me

.... is to build up a solid group and friends and acquaintances. To be known, not like some celebrity but to have people being interested in going to social events with me. My aim is not to become another PUA loner that ONLY SLEEPS WITH GIRLS AND CAN'T KEEP A GIRL NOR HAS ANY REAL FRIENDS.


Instagram For Me?


I don't like the thought of labeling social media as bad. Everything is not just about getting laid for, it's about building a social life. My aim of using Instagram is to connect with people, share and build deep friendships.


Younger Girls Value Guys Who Are on Social Media


Maybe this doesn't apply to persons over 25, but for a high school or college environment girls value a guy more when he is on social media. If all the cool and natural guys are on social media and are cleaning up then there must be something to learn from them.

Follow a natural, and become a natural
Be a person who does things different and end up with no results.

I'm not a big fan of social media I should say though. I never liked posting anything because I found it to be boring. But for the sake of learning at a faster rate I thought it would be a good idea to follow what the masters have already done and are doing.

Ultimately, I deleted my Instagram account today. I'm going to start fresh. Become more well liked in real life and have that transfer over to social media. I read an article on how to become famous on Instagram. Here is the link:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5511553

 

[Troy]

Troy,

I recommend getting rid of social media altogether. No real good comes of any of it. It just encourages attention-seeking behaviour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGU8yjjJXD8
(I know there was an article on the main page that went with this video, but don't remember what it was called).

Your time can be better spent in the real world than trying to figure out how to gain more followers on Instagram.

-John

The Doctor,

I understand your point that Instagram can waste precious time. And also, on your point that living in the real world is best. I deleted my account today, until I can start fresh. Meaning I become more sought after in the real world. However I should add that being popular in the real world and then transferring that to social media can triple someone's lay count with far less work. Ifsomeone is already popular then people will like their posts because it feels like the law of least effort. People won't think it's attention seeking if they:

1) Already like you and know others like you too, besides if they don't like your picture, another 500 persons are waiting to doi the job

2) Also if people know the guy is cool then they see it as just your way of sharing to the world and adding value.

On the other hand, being low status in real life and posting on Instagram is what people see as try hard. Someone who is not in demand that is fishing for likes and comments. I see your point.

Me? And everyone on girls chase? I want us all to be the first guy. The one who can have a devil may care attitude and post whatever they want on social media and be loved for that.

 

[Thedoctor]

Troy,

I suppose a small exception can be made for Instagram in that photography is a form of art and you can choose to share it with the world. However, I would compare this a lot to youtube. Is there some good quality "art" on youtube? Yes. Do some people get rich or famous from it? Sure. But the vast majority end up producing garbage and sink lots of time and energy into something that yields zero returns.

My point is that it is a swamped "marketplace." Everyone and their dog has youtube content. In order to be successful you need to have a very original concept that is well executed. And even that won't guarantee anything. It's an extremely slim chance, but that doesn't stop a million Bieber wannabees from trying. Instagram is very similarly swamped and has the same problem.

There are more productive ways to "add value" in social circles.

If you have a real passion for photography, then all the power to you. Your hobby may get you noticed, and if it doesn't, it is still time you're enjoying. But if you're only doing it to gain status, this really is not the way I'd recommend.

-John

 

[RDawg]

Interesting post, since I recently had a rather "good" personal experience from being on Instagram.

Firstly, I just want to say that I don't use Instagram intentionally in any way to pick up girls, nor do I post much. I primarily use Instagram for my personal self, lifestyle and business related things.

Anyways, I will usually get a lot of random girls from social circle or extended social circle that I may have heard of, yet never met. These girls will follow me, and sometimes like my photo's and even possibly message me on Instagram. Some of these girls, I will follow back if I feel I know them, they have some sort of value to me or they are good looking.

Anyways, this past Friday night, on Halloween, I met a girl at the bar that recognized me from instagram, and she mentioned that she knew me from instagram and that she followed me like a month ago or something (I did end up following this girl back). We ended up hitting it off a bit, made out and then I gave her my number and we have a potential date set-up for next week.

Guys who are known for something of high esteem (their job, their looks, etc.) do well on any social media platform naturally.

Conversely, guys who try to build up value within the system don't have their skills transfer.

3) Should i leave social media popularity alone until i am popular in "real life"? Like maybe i should just get lots of cool friends and be known so that when i go back to social media i am a star.

Therefore, I'm tending towards this answer. Having social media value is real value. Helps in social circle situations ("oh, that's the hot guy from instagram!"), doesn't really help for cold approaching. An uncool guy with a booming Instagram is still an uncool guy. A cool guy with a Instagram is bound to have it boom.

Ross makes a great point here and I 100% agree with him. In my opinion having Instagram and any type of social media platform can help in social circle situations, if you are a cool, popular or good looking guy.

- Rdawg

 

[Troy]

Troy,

I suppose a small exception can be made for Instagram in that photography is a form of art and you can choose to share it with the world. However, I would compare this a lot to youtube. Is there some good quality "art" on youtube? Yes. Do some people get rich or famous from it? Sure. But the vast majority end up producing garbage and sink lots of time and energy into something that yields zero returns.

My point is that it is a swamped "marketplace." Everyone and their dog has youtube content. In order to be successful you need to have a very original concept that is well executed. And even that won't guarantee anything. It's an extremely slim chance, but that doesn't stop a million Bieber wannabees from trying. Instagram is very similarly swamped and has the same problem.

There are more productive ways to "add value" in social circles.

If you have a real passion for photography, then all the power to you. Your hobby may get you noticed, and if it doesn't, it is still time you're enjoying. But if you're only doing it to gain status, this really is not the way I'd recommend.

-John

The Doctor,

Yes, using Instagram to show art is a great thing to do that can yield good rewards in the future. As for me using Instagram to gain status, yes that is one re son why I had the profile in the first place. I don't post a whole lot because I don't have enough stuff doing otherwise to get likes. People want to see some art of fun stuff. I'm mainly at home so I wouldn't want to be posting selfies every day. Something more interesting would do the job.

I don't like photography. I look great in person yet crappy in photos. The reason why I am doing this is because I don't do a whole lot. It would just be done to gain more reference points so I could better relate to people if Instagram became the conversation topic. Before I joined Instagram I didn't even know about

Hash Tag
Shout Outs
People buying followers with cash


Now I know a lot more and can better relate to people. Even today I had a conversation with 3 guys at school and I was able to add my piece to the conversation. If I don't know anything about Instagram then I would have kept silent. I'm learning at least one new thing everyday. Doing this helps me connect with people faster.

You said that doing it to get status is bad. I have a confession to make. I'm also doing Instagram in hopes of gaining status. Also in part of building my self esteem of being liked online. This boosts my confidence when I get positive feedback online which enables me to be more confident in public. Do you see any negative effects with using online popularity to boost self-esteem?

Troy

 

[JimmyB]

Troy if you haven't yet, I'd suggest reading this https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-it’s-bad-want-be-liked-too-much. I understand where you're coming from; being popular on social media can make you look good in person, and that makes things a heck of a lot easier. But I have a feeling your friend isn't just popular on instagram, he's probably a cool guy that people would know and like regardless of his social media (just not as many). I think you'd be using your time much more efficiently if you instead went out and tried to improve on things in real life, pursuing something you love. Rather than try to tailor yourself to everyone around you (which you can never win, re: the article I posted), you should focus on the stuff that you enjoy and people will see that you provide value in that way. From personal experience, trying to be popular most likely just won't get you very far. What about when you start seeing these people in real life? If you were successful, you'd find yourself surrounded by people you don't actually like or know. You think you want to be popular, but seeking it out doesn't get you far. It won't make you happy.

 

[Thedoctor]

Troy,

You said that doing it to get status is bad. I have a confession to make. I'm also doing Instagram in hopes of gaining status. Also in part of building my self esteem of being liked online. This boosts my confidence when I get positive feedback online which enables me to be more confident in public. Do you see any negative effects with using online popularity to boost self-esteem?
Troy

Yes. Refer to my first comment on this thread regarding attention-seeking behaviour. This will not boost your self esteem. It will only provide temporary validation and will probably only worsen your self esteem in the long run by using others as an emotional crutch. You'll feel great when you get lots of "likes" or comments or followers, but you'll feel extremely down when interest wanes on your instagram and wonder what you're doing wrong.

There are lots of good responses on this thread.

-John

 

[Troy]

Yes. Refer to my first comment on this thread regarding attention-seeking behaviour. This will not boost your self esteem. It will only provide temporary validation and will probably only worsen your self esteem in the long run by using others as an emotional crutch. You'll feel great when you get lots of "likes" or comments or followers, but you'll feel extremely down when interest wanes on your instagram and wonder what you're doing wrong.

There are lots of good responses on this thread.

-John

Thanks! I see your point. It's like I'm depending on other people to validate me. If I get positive feedback it boosts my ego. If I get negative then I wonder what I'm doing wrong. I thought about it today and decided that since I never enjoyed Instagram for posting pictures then I would only be hurting myself in the future. There is no point in doing that. So my final decision ( it might change in the future when I get real life results ) is to focus on connecting with other people in real life and build my self-esteem and happiness from there.

Thanks to everyone else who replied to my post. It all makes a lot of sense when I put everything together and look at it from your perspective.

Troy

 

[Don]

From personal experience, I am not popular on Facebook or wasn't on twitter (deleted that). I had like 100 friends on FB, still do, but rarely log on. Here is the thing from that alone you would think I'm not popular, but crazy thing is I know a lot of people, those 100 friends are probably half of my actual friends and most of them is people I know on personal basis, I could ask them to chill and we could, I don't accept randoms or family and I don't do any inviting ever. Don't waste your time on your Facebook profile,Twitter or Instagram, like stated it is validation seeking. Go look at the people on there, most aren't as popular as they think they are. I mean my ex had 5000 friends, but they were a bunch of randoms and hungry guys. She didn't have half the real friends I have (not bragging), yet she had 5000 friends on facebook. I had a girl who begged me to follow her on twitter, I followed her (big mistake), 1000 people were following her, she followed like 70 or something, I had 20 followers. Yet every holidays I was busy going out with all my friends having fun, talking to new girls, while she was asking me to chat to her. The numbers are deceiving and not healthy trust me especially if you have little followers or friends or whatever they call them. With me I understand they mean very little, but they not healthy in general as those numbers can make you feel lesser than the other person when you actually not, the other person probably put in a lot of effort to get those number. Plus you putting effort in these profiles, I had soccer and hockey at those points when I joined twitter and Facebook I didn't have time for that, imagine I spent my time on social media instead of practicing. Don't waste your time go out make yourself better.