@Ree,
I agree,although I dont understand why so many people are very hostile towards seduction,
I've given this a lot of thought over the past several years.
Why men are hostile to seduction -- well, imagine you spent 10 years learning to play a really hard sport. You spent inordinate time in the gym getting fit, practiced your shots or hits again and again, and finally got good. Then some guy pops on the scene telling people, "If you learn this sequence of straightforward moves, you will DESTROY all those other guys playing the sport!" Then, worse still, guys try the sequence out and it actually works. Guys who do it are able to beat you at this sport you've invested huge amounts of time, pain, and effort into. You know these guys can't possibly value the sport the same way you do, after all the blood, sweat, and emotion you put into it. That just makes you even angrier. They are depriving you of something you have worked so hard at and value so highly, by using this easy way to get it and not even valuing it like you do!
The sport is "meeting women, dating them, having sex with them, and making them fall in love and stay devoted", and the way most guys go about it is by going to school, getting a degree, interviewing for companies, slaving away in offices to build their careers, developing their friend groups, nurturing their social media profiles, and very carefully, gradually, slowly "earning their dues" in the world.
Then the seducer comes along and says, "Hey broke loner man who isn't on social media, here's what to do to shag 20x more girls than those guys working their asses off, and be the guy those girls fall HARDEST for and devote themselves to like no other guy in their lives before or after you!"
It just completely blows up the entire universe of a lot of normie guys.
Some normie guys hear seduction and are like, "YES!!! This is the cheat code I have been looking for. THIS is what will let me skip to the head of the pack!"
But a lot of normie guys hear it and are like, "No... it can't POSSIBLY work! It doesn't rely on career, or friend groups, or social status, or money, or looks... it can't POSSIBLY..." and they get dissonance and feel angry and like you're lying to them or tricking them if you tell them it works.
Other normie guys hear it and are like, "This guy is a goddamn devil. He is just tricking all these women. Women REALLY want a guy like me... one who has worked on his career and his social media profile and worked his way up the status ladder. These guys are doing some trickery to deceive women and sneak them away from me, even though I am the one who has EARNED those women. Those guys haven't earned it. They are devils, cheats, and manipulators."
The system doesn't like seducers because the system is built on male obedience, and 99.9999124% of male obedience is motivated by the ultimate thought of "This will get me pussy from women" (or, when men are older, "This will provide for my kids... and also maybe get me pussy from women"). Seducers skip around the rule of "obedience to the system gets pussy" by learning social skills instead of inventing technologies, building the economy, working for business owners, being a good Christian, or being a good progressive, whatever it is the system demands of men right now. Most seducers still have jobs or businesses and various ideological positions anyway, but the rewards they get (in terms of sexual success) are outsized compared to their contribution to society/economy/social agenda, which degrades the system's reward structure. No strong society likes seducers -- conservative Christians hate seducers, and liberal LGBTQ+ feminists hate seducers. Seduction threatens the system's ability to dictate male behavior, by breaking the relationship between the demands of the system from the system's rewards.
As for women, women do not actually hate all seducers. They hate two specific
types of seducers:
- Lame guys who are going to pester and annoy them instead of accept their place as platonic friends and supporters
- Sexy guys who shag them but make them feel bad / devalued after a romp
When a woman rails against seducers, she is always thinking of one of these two guys. Women actually like and are intrigued by seducers who are not lame, and who do not make them feel bad. They love these guys. But they will publicly rail against seduction, because they are thinking about those other two guys, or are conscious that if they say anything in support of seduction they will get accused of supporting lame guys or mean guys.
When you talk to a woman about seduction and she acts grossed out, it is always because you came across as a lame guy seeking her approval of you studying seduction, or because you came across as a callous guy who likes to shag women and make them feel bad.
And actually, women dislike the lame guy a lot more than they do the callous guy.
Callous guys can actually turn women on, if they don't auto-reject. But they still have to act like, "Ew, I would never! As if!" just to keep face socially.
So, various different reasons why various people dislike seducers.
The old Teddy Roosevelt quote works well for seduction: "Walk softly and carry a big stick."
Walk softly, in terms of not going around proselytizing everyone. Carry a big stick in terms of your game... and uh, that big stick in your pants
Chase
