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shrimp vs AMOG: a quick comparison on threat level

foggy

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SHRIMP

A shrimp is an awkward guy who is no threat. He is incapable of seduction. He may express shock when you do basic things like talk to a girl

AMOG

An AMOG is a guy who is a potential threat. He will disrupt your set and possibly tool you. He could steal your gal
 

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Remember that a shrimp, even if he cannot seduce your girl, can spoil your seduction attempt.

this is an important observation

i have noticed as i build up a seduction with the girl, the bottom feeders can gather into the area. they feed off the energy and may interrupt. i don’t mind a quick passive shrimp interruption, as this tends to positively fill up the girls feelings towards me

but a needy persistent shrimp on the other hand...injecting his slime into my seduction efforts...especially pre or beginning hook…can spoil things momentarily. before i make some gentle waves, causing him to be helplessly carried away in the wash

what has your experience been with shrimps spoiling?
 
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what has your experience been with shrimps spoiling?
I tend to pre-empt these people generally. I rarely notice shrimp types really interrupting except through accident, usually they tend to stay clear.

EXCEPT shrimps who you have befriended, they can get needy and they can spoil your interaction without even really wanting to , they just get needy and start to hover or talk to you or whatever. I lost a one itis like this a decade ago, a girl I really liked. I could still get her but it became very foggy and fucked up so I got another girlfriend instead. But I remember that I promised myself there, when a friend comes in.. just tell them to fuck off real fast. You can make amendments later. This has saved me a lot of girls!!

Amogs I deal with in fast hostile way when I see them coming in, usually one sharp look tends to suffice, I tend to notice them coming in. They get these weird needy eyes. Basically I show preparation to escalate if they intrude, I have no patience for these suckers.

Another thing that needs to be dealt with, something I encounter more than before, women who are jealous of your target and are targeting your girl in an effort to derail your conversation. I find these girls more difficult to deal with except jarring them and interrupting again "hey we were having a conversation" and body close circle, but I am still not sure if this is the optimal way as the girl who you are talking with is sometimes not tuned in and not even aware that the girl is not coming in friendly but sabotaging her effectively. Sabotaging my target more than sabotaging me.

I recall one girl fucking up an interaction I was having and being overly persistent and I naively thinking that the girl I was with was suave enough (she was older than 30) to deal with the younger girl. I was not really gaming the 30 year old either, but thing is she didnt even see it coming that the intruder came to sabotage, and do you think she ever went to talk with the 30 plus girl again? Nope. The goal was sabotage.
 

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usually they tend to stay clear.

absolutely I can see them avoiding you!

I experience a shrimpy avoidance….particularly when I am solitary on the street, emitting outward power. I will be walking, flowing into the edge of a shrimp’s radar. They kinda jerk as I enter the surrounding space, like they’re about to instinctually engage to get what they need. Then as they soak in my energy I see them falling quickly into a decision to not talk to me….with insecurity and uncertainties flashing across their face. weakness

Another thing that needs to be dealt with, something I encounter more than before, women who are jealous of your target and are targeting your girl in an effort to derail your conversation. I find these girls more difficult to deal with except jarring them and interrupting again "hey we were having a conversation" and body close circle, but I am still not sure if this is the optimal way as the girl who you are talking with is sometimes not tuned in and not even aware that the girl is not coming in friendly but sabotaging her effectively. Sabotaging my target more than sabotaging me.

jealousy & intent to sabotage from girl to girl is really interesting! I’ve not experienced much like this before so can’t speak on it. Overall I am new to jealousy as a human experience

Would you categorize this particular behavior as shrimpy, amoggy, or something else. perhaps... catty?

Notes
Related to jealousy: passion, possessive, consuming, manipulation, competition
Opposite jealousy: compassion, generosity, gratitude, compersion
 

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Would you categorize this particular behavior as shrimpy, amoggy, or something else. perhaps... catty?
depends on the girl, I believe this is a bit depending on personality... What I have seen is that the way they come in is how they handle everything. One girl is socially very adroit and keeps the "good girl role", so she engaged a girl I was talking with in similar matter. Other girl (hair dyed red) came in more agressive, much more agressive and I was a bit surprised by the audacity, later on I learned that she is socially VERY clueless, she basically got ridiculed and became out group.

You can see similar things with football (soccer for you Americans), the way a player plays says a lot about the character of that person, I think we can compare it with that.
 

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right

here's a chart i put together based on the chat so far and my understandings

How They Come InTypeThreat Level
SensingAMOGHigh
Clueless, AggressiveShrimp - Persistent/ AMOGLow-Medium
SubmissiveShrimp - PassiveLow
 

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Clueless, Aggressive -> type shrimp -persistent/AMOG
 

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agreed, thinking back to some interactions with persistent shrimp, it can be pretty AMOG-y and tricky to handle depending on skill level

i have made the edit
 

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Ok so how can you handle extended SC situations where a passive chill guy breaks the vibe you have with a 2-set or more?

This happened after class a month ago and I feel like it undid all my progress with the 2-set I was chatting with. Lately those two have only been talking to one other intl girl.
I think he just thought “hey those two hotties are in a coed convo so the wall is down” and took it as an invitation to join in.
To make it worse, I let the guy shoot his mouth off, and actually later on kinda got roped into sorta befriending him for social reasons.
Plus, there’s a totally unrelated consideration that stops me from being very harsh to him. It’s a hard personal rule and I can’t make an exception to suit myself.
 

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Ok so how can you handle extended SC situations where a passive chill guy breaks the vibe you have with a 2-set or more?

This happened after class a month ago and I feel like it undid all my progress with the 2-set I was chatting with. Lately those two have only been talking to one other intl girl.
I think he just thought “hey those two hotties are in a coed convo so the wall is down” and took it as an invitation to join in.
To make it worse, I let the guy shoot his mouth off, and actually later on kinda got roped into sorta befriending him for social reasons.
Plus, there’s a totally unrelated consideration that stops me from being very harsh to him. It’s a hard personal rule and I can’t make an exception to suit myself.

lol….shrimp....

Here’s some angles I'm looking at it from:

• how did he approach
• who engaged him first
• were you locked in
• what kind of vibe was it with the gals and how did it change after his entrance
• who was in control after his entrance


@DarkKnight would be likely to say, be aware of his incoming approach and give a sharp look to ward him off. Me I'd give him a serious warning look with a quick toss-tilt of my head + an eyebrow flash, like what are you doing? dont.

Someone broke circle to acknowledge him and let him into the conversation. If he tries to intrude and no ones paying attention to him, hes gonna feel awkward and leave. You might have felt like you needed to let him in to be polite, but like DK says with the shrimps you can always go back and make amends

Now if the girls are letting him in that’s fine, it’s probably an indicator the interaction is more friendly in their eyes. i’d take an opportunity to control the conversation and show im powerful - handling and guiding 3 people at once through an amazing, riveting conversation. That’ll attract the girls more too. They may give you sparkly eyes and it won’t matter if the guy is there, especially if he remains in-line, quiet and compliant. If he says something dumb you can eye code with the girls like who is this guy. And talking afterwards with the girls about how he ruined the vibe.

Also, in social circle playing over time is okay. So running the frame will cause the girls to be like, yeah Surveyor's cool and socially smart, I wanna interact with him next time I see him
 
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