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D_Smooth1900

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So I had this girl come over my room and we watched a movie, she obviously wanted the D because she came over in sweats and a hoodie. 10 mins in I try to escalate by kissing on her neck and bringing her close to me. She told me to stop because she wanted to watch the movie. So I stopped but 10 mins later I tried it again. She didn't give me much not even a kiss I even cuddled with her and watched the movie. She did say something about the reason she wouldn't kiss me was because that's what boyfriend and girlfriend do. Her body language was really stiff. I watched for any escalation windows and everything, I don't know what I did wrong, at one point I got so desperate that I even considered like I should have reaching for her pussy, but I didn't want to come off as a creep. Im sure I needed to escalate her before I went down there. Honestly Id like to hear what you guys think whether or not I screwed up
 
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Adam101

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I think you read the whole situation wrong to begin with. You say she "obviously wanted the D because she was wearing sweats and a hoodie," but what this tells me is that she didn't care about how she looked / how she presented herself in front of you. It's an investment question. If she saw you as a viable option she'd want you to think she looks cute and present herself in a way to illicit a compliment. Her sweats and hoodie may have been her way of playing down her attractiveness so that, in her mind, she knew she wasn't actively putting out signals. The girls I have known will still spend 20-30 min. putting on make-up even if they're just traveling to a different floor in an apartment building from one bedroom to another to sleep with a guy that they have been for months already. You'd think by then a girl would be comfortable with not going through the trouble to pretty herself up just for an hour for someone who knows what she looks like both with and without make-up, but they still do. Not saying she has to arrive at your door in her best minidress but if she saw you in a sexual light I don't believe she'd hide her body like she did.

Also based on how you describe the events of the evening it sounds like you didn't start paying attention to her signals (or lack thereof) or her body language until after the initial resistance / rejection since you were already under the impression that she wanted it. A more experienced man on the boards here may disagree but going straight for neck kissing when a girl is closed off is brash and clumsy. Almost like a Hail Mary pass. A situation like this though is where knowing how to touch women becomes effective. i think of it as light to heavy petting and you can use that to gauge her interest as well as see if you could increase it. After pushing you away the first time from there you got desperate and it showed which killed any remaining potential.

It's a shame it happened man and that sucks. You're not alone though. We've all had experiences similar to yours where we thought or wanted an encounter with a girl to go in a positive sexual direction but end up crashing and burning cause we're too stuck in our heads trying to figure out the puzzle of turning the girl on at the expense of actually paying attention to her and reading the interaction for what it truly is. Your mistakes started from an initial read that was incorrect which led you to ignore what she was actually telling you. But hey, now you have an experience you can draw on and learn from to ensure you don't repeat yourself. So you're still effectively better for it. And if you got a girl to come over to your place once you can certainly do it again! Best of luck on your next attempt.
 

D_Smooth1900

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Thanks for the reply Adam

I knda picked it up that she wasn't intrested, after my failed attempts. You might be right on where I screwed it up, which was I didn't read the situation. What I'm getting from your analysis is that she came over to just watch a movie? Even if that's the case was I wrong to try and escalate?
 

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I don't know the exact nature of the relationship you have or had with this girl, but if she came over to your place I assume that to mean you two were on friendly terms at least. Going off of that yes I'd say she viewed watching a movie with you as a platonic activity hence once again why she didn't try to cute herself up.

As far as escalating you were not necessarily wrong to try but how you went about it is where you tripped up. Going for neck kissing off the bat is like going from 0 - 100 MPH. As guys we can do that no problem but girls need a gradual acceleration. You could have tried brushing up against her hand or arm to gauge her reaction to your touch to see if you could escalate further as an example. The analogy I always think of is "You gotta preheat the oven before you put in the bread." To me though it sounds like this girl wasn't game for much of anything. In which case the better attempt would have been working the conversation / verbal game angle to lay the foundation to get her interested and see you as a sexual option in my opinion.
 

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D_Smooth,

She did say something about the reason she wouldn't kiss me was because that's what boyfriend and girlfriend do.

I had a similar read as Adam on your situation.

This sounds like a girl that you didn't just meet. A girl you just met doesn't have enough information about you to make this assessment, and she likely would not want to rule you out of anything right there on the spot unless she already has a pretty good read on you. Was this a girl you've known for awhile or possibly a girl that's part of one of your social circles?

- Franco
 

D_Smooth1900

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No not really, I see her around here and there. I took her out one time just to grab something to eat. She wasn't dress to impress so I knew she wasn't down for anything crazy. So instead I ijust learned everything I could about her. Everytime I see her in the halls she gives me the look and I return it back. So I figured she was down... I did end up sleeping with one of her co workers for awhile which may play into it. I know there's a saying that once you sleep with a girl you also sleep with all her friends. But this girl is not in my social circle I see her outside of work and occasionally well get into some small talk
 

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D_Smooth,

I did end up sleeping with one of her co workers for awhile which may play into it.

I would actually include this within "extended social circle" for the most part. Basically, if she has any knowledge of you whatsoever from outside influences that are acquainted with you, then she's (at least loosely) attached to some social circle that you are in. It's very possible that this could have had a role in her attitude. It seems weird that she would come all the way to your bed and then make a statement like that unless she has some dead-set preconceptions about who you are and what you want.

Anyway, it sounds like you should move on to the next one either way!


- Franco
 

D_Smooth1900

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Thanks Franco,

I pretty much considered it since she wasn't done for doing anything when she came by my room. If she was intrested why would she even come.

Good Hunting Gents.
 

Franco

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D_Smooth,

If she was intrested why would she even come?

Who knows?! =)

Maybe she had heard about your reputation and wanted to see if it was true. Or maybe she just wanted to make herself look like she was unavailable to make you chase. Either way, it really doesn't matter because, whatever the reason she came over for was, it was not to have sex.

Sometimes you can't be too stuck on the specific cause of why a girl took a certain action and instead understand the fact that this girl was not a cold approach, which increases the chance that this girl already had some ideas about what she was going to do when she got to your place (as opposed to a girl who just met you, only knows you and not your friends/co-workers, and is still trying to decide what role she wants to have you in [lover/friend/provider/nobody]).

- Franco
 
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